Superman vs. Wonder Woman

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Yeah, I think sports science ran a story on the thickness of Carver's skin figuratively and literally. I believe all the Ancient Alien people were there and they reached a conclusion that Carver must be an alien.

They did some crazy shit like him resisting dental Floss and plastic sporks too. Never seen anything like it. Initially it was cutting but he Hulked out and it broke on his skin.

You forgot that mosquitoes don't give him disease. He gives THEM disease.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Yeah, I think sports science ran a story on the thickness of Carver's skin figuratively and literally. I believe all the Ancient Alien people were there and they reached a conclusion that Carver must be an alien.

They did some crazy shit like him resisting dental Floss and plastic sporks too. Never seen anything like it. Initially it was cutting but he Hulked out and it broke on his skin.

😂

Is nice to see people putting their differences aside to pick on Carver

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Is nice to see people putting their differences aside to pick on Carver

Not really.

This topic has enough material to be covered that we don't need any pages filled with member bashing.

I'd still like to know for instance, why people assume, if Wonder Woman could get her lasso around Zoom, of ALL people, despite being blind at the time, we're supposed to assume she could not do the same to Superman, unless he were somehow compromised.

I'm not sure why in the world we're assuming Diana couldn't compromise him TO that degree if it WERE necessary, for another.

I'm not sure why it's assumed a super-speedster can't take another character, even one of equal or greater strength, to a place they don't want to go, provided they get the "jump" on them. Sometimes even if they don't.

(illustrated in my scan below)

And I'm still waiting for someone to tell me why we're using double standards such that with NO communication of intention we assume Superman got sun amped when he fought Darkseid and flew to the sun, when Sacrifice features similar proximity and TELLS us Supes is trying to take his opponent into the sun.

It doesn't add up.

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Not really.

This topic has enough material to be covered that we don't need any pages filled with member bashing.

I'd still like to know for instance, why people assume, if Wonder Woman could get her lasso around Zoom, of ALL people, despite being blind at the time, we're supposed to assume she could not do the same to Superman, unless he were somehow compromised.

I'm not sure why in the world we're assuming Diana couldn't compromise him TO that degree if it WERE necessary, for another.

I'm not sure why it's assumed a super-speedster can't take another character, even one of equal or greater strength, to a place they don't want to go, provided they get the "jump" on them. Sometimes even if they don't.

(illustrated in my scan below)

And I'm still waiting for someone to tell me why we're using double standards such that with NO communication of intention we assume Superman got sun amped when he fought Darkseid and flew to the sun, when Sacrifice features similar proximity and TELLS us Supes is trying to take his opponent into the sun.

It doesn't add up.

👆 bashing is uncalled for.

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Not really.

This topic has enough material to be covered that we don't need any pages filled with member bashing.

I'd still like to know for instance, why people assume, if Wonder Woman could get her lasso around Zoom, of ALL people, despite being blind at the time, we're supposed to assume she could not do the same to Superman, unless he were somehow compromised.

I'm not sure why in the world we're assuming Diana couldn't compromise him TO that degree if it WERE necessary, for another.

I'm not sure why it's assumed a super-speedster can't take another character, even one of equal or greater strength, to a place they don't want to go, provided they get the "jump" on them. Sometimes even if they don't.

(illustrated in my scan below)

And I'm still waiting for someone to tell me why we're using double standards such that with NO communication of intention we assume Superman got sun amped when he fought Darkseid and flew to the sun, when Sacrifice features similar proximity and TELLS us Supes is trying to take his opponent into the sun.

It doesn't add up.

Oh, I dunno, she had failed to lasso him even when he was taking direct orders from Max, I'd imagine he could do a better job if he were avoiding it under his own facilities. It's not IMPOSSIBLE for her to lasso him, I just see it as pretty unlikely.

Unless you're trying to nitpick until you "counter" Superman grabbing her by the throat, dragging her into space, and her being unable to break his grip as proof of him being much stronger than her, I'm not sure why you brought-up Wonder Woman and Genocide. Could Genocide even fly? I don't recall. If you're just trying t counter Superman being stronger, well, that won't do you any good. It's not the only example, simply one example.

You assume a double standard, but it's not. Superman intending to take her to the Sun doesn't mean they got there. If I intend to walk to New York but stop after a few blocks, does that mean I went to New York because that was my intent? In the SUPERMAN/BATMAN #13 instance, I'm pretty sure we actually DO see plasma around.

Diana Curbstomps

Originally posted by TedKordJRBOSS
Diana Curbstomps

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Originally posted by TedKordJRBOSS
Diana Curbstomps

I really hope you're joking.

In Zoom's defense, I would say he was jobbing and not using anywhere his full speed and reflexes. Otherwise, Diana would have appeared to be a statue.

But the feat does count in the sense that it shows that Diana is very fast and can fight and respond to very fast beings (not including the flashes).

IMO, Superman can move faster than Diana in combat. But Diana has equal or better reactions and can defend to a decent degree many of Superman's attacks. By Superman being faster, then some can get through (especially if Superman decides to multitask his powers simulatenously).

If Superman decides not to use his freeze breath right away then Diana can possibly catch him with a stun blow and lasso him from there. Her pressure point ability combined with skill almost equals the strength advantage out. Her hits (pressure points) will have the same effect as Superman hit's on her, if not better.

Superman's primary advantages are ranged attacks and more versatility (intangibility, super senses, etc.). Durability and Strength are non factors because of the pressure points Diana can use. Superman's strength would be a great advantage if Superman grabs her though.

Without freeze breath Diana 6/10
with freeze breath Superman 10/10

Originally posted by h1a8
In Zoom's defense, I would say he was jobbing and not using anywhere his full speed and reflexes. Otherwise, Diana would have appeared to be a statue.

But the feat does count in the sense that it shows that Diana is very fast and can fight and respond to very fast beings (not including the flashes).

IMO, Superman can move faster than Diana in combat. But Diana has equal or better reactions and can defend to a decent degree many of Superman's attacks. By Superman being faster, then some can get through (especially if Superman decides to multitask his powers simulatenously).

If Superman decides not to use his freeze breath right away then Diana can possibly catch him with a stun blow and lasso him from there. Her pressure point ability combined with skill almost equals the strength advantage out. Her hits (pressure points) will have the same effect as Superman hit's on her, if not better.

Superman's primary advantages are ranged attacks and more versatility (intangibility, super senses, etc.). Durability and Strength are non factors because of the pressure points Diana can use. Superman's strength would be a great advantage if Superman grabs her though.

Without freeze breath Diana 6/10
with freeze breath Superman 10/10

Superman can do pressure points too. And what's your belief that she has the better reaction times based on?

Superman

Originally posted by Delta1938
Superman can do pressure points too. And what's your belief that she has the better reaction times based on?

Her blocking many energy blasts simultaneously. Blocking and deflecting one beam is a hell of a feat, but many at the same time?

I could be wrong though. I'll just say that she has the reflexes to defend against some of Clark's attacks.

Yes, Clark does have pressure points too. So it gives him back the advantage.

He can also tvo her cute butt

Originally posted by h1a8
Her blocking many energy blasts simultaneously. Blocking and deflecting one beam is a hell of a feat, but many at the same time?

I could be wrong though. I'll just say that she has the reflexes to defend against some of Clark's attacks.

Yes, Clark does have pressure points too. So it gives him back the advantage.

Kurt Busiek seems to think he has the faster reaction time.

Then there's his greater than nanosecond time perception examples.

Whilst I agree with Superman, using a writer is never a good option as they disagree often as much as fanboys and girls about heroes.

That scan/interview actually states Wonder Woman is faster and she is faster. She also blocks heat vision attacks a lot better.

Originally posted by carver9
That scan/interview actually states Wonder Woman is faster and she is faster. She also blocks heat vision attacks a lot better.

I wasn't paying attention and copy/pasted the wrong thing. But if you actually paid attention(fixed it even before I saw your post), McDuffie said that's Wonder Woman's opinion.

And if you go to what was shoehorned into the comic, an actual showing(Kurt Busiek having the Trinity use Superman's reaction time) is going to hold more weight than lip service(Diana saying she's faster and Batman's "Bruce Lee or Usain Bolt?" comparison).

Originally posted by h1a8
In Zoom's defense, I would say he was jobbing and not using anywhere his full speed and reflexes. Otherwise, Diana would have appeared to be a statue.

But the feat does count in the sense that it shows that Diana is very fast and can fight and respond to very fast beings (not including the flashes).

IMO, Superman can move faster than Diana in combat. But Diana has equal or better reactions and can defend to a decent degree many of Superman's attacks. By Superman being faster, then some can get through (especially if Superman decides to multitask his powers simulatenously).

If Superman decides not to use his freeze breath right away then Diana can possibly catch him with a stun blow and lasso him from there. Her pressure point ability combined with skill almost equals the strength advantage out. Her hits (pressure points) will have the same effect as Superman hit's on her, if not better.

Superman's primary advantages are ranged attacks and more versatility (intangibility, super senses, etc.). Durability and Strength are non factors because of the pressure points Diana can use. Superman's strength would be a great advantage if Superman grabs her though.

Without freeze breath Diana 6/10
with freeze breath Superman 10/10

Diana has equal reflexes to Superman? Um, no. Her reflexes are nowhere near as fast as his are. Also, making a statement like that kinda makes the rest of what you say less convincing.

Freeze breath or not, going all-out or not, Superman still wins at least 9/10 and that's being really generous to Diana. Getting even 1 out of 10 would require some serious luck or PIS.

Originally posted by carver9
That scan/interview actually states Wonder Woman is faster and she is faster. She also blocks heat vision attacks a lot better.