what would you have done differently in the Dragonball series

Originally posted by HueyFreeman
I didn't really see it that way. He had the whole saiyan attitude of ravaging planets that were weaker than him. If he screwed it up he just turned ape to win. He was already born with one of the highest power levels on vegeta. Goku spent his whole life fighting people who gave him a challenge since he was a low level soldier while Vegeta spent it massacring groups who he was already stronger than. Think about it, Radditz was ravaging planets also and he was a weakling so I doubt Vegeta came across anyone worth a dust of a challenge. Killing the weak is not the same as constantly putting your fighting limits to the test and pushing beyond.

A. Goku ran laps and did push-ups in a spaceship.

B. Vegeta constantly fought against people stronger then him, broke new barriers of strength, almost died numerous times and came back stronger then before, and beat guys he didn't even have a chance of hurting before.

Vegeta was OBVIOUSLY working harder but somehow he comes out weaker? WTF?

Originally posted by King Kandy
Okay, let me use another way of explaining this: At the end of the saiyan sage, Vegeta and Goku had equal power (actually there's a slight edge to Vegeta since Goku had help, but we'll just say they're equal.) Then when we get to Namek, Goku is way stronger then Vegeta? Why so? Let's examine what they did in between.

A. Goku ran laps and did push-ups in a spaceship.

B. Vegeta constantly fought against people stronger then him, broke new barriers of strength, almost died numerous times and came back stronger then before, and beat guys he didn't even have a chance of hurting before.

Vegeta was OBVIOUSLY working harder but somehow he comes out weaker? WTF?

Goku did what- he trained in conditions that were several times more than his training with kai. Wasn't he training in 10 x gravity for his battle with vegeta. 100x has got to be a huge gap in power for him. What was his peak vs Vegeta? Power level 21000. Multiply that by ten and his power is just about what it should have been. Not to mension most of it was training his body to perform a technique that could increase his ability several times over. He was only as strong as he was because of the kaoken attack.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Okay, let me use another way of explaining this: At the end of the saiyan sage, Vegeta and Goku had equal power (actually there's a slight edge to Vegeta since Goku had help, but we'll just say they're equal.) Then when we get to Namek, Goku is way stronger then Vegeta? Why so? Let's examine what they did in between.

A. Goku ran laps and did push-ups in a spaceship.

B. Vegeta constantly fought against people stronger then him, broke new barriers of strength, almost died numerous times and came back stronger then before, and beat guys he didn't even have a chance of hurting before.

Vegeta was OBVIOUSLY working harder but somehow he comes out weaker? WTF?

I guess he was naturally stronger don't beat the fact that Goku took on and defeated Frieza, Nappa, Broly, Cooler, Buu, ect he has took on his fair share of serious villains.

Originally posted by HueyFreeman
He fought who
Cui
Dodoria
Zarbon, Recoome- the only poeple he fought worth a damn and who increase his power.

Goku did what- he trained in conditions that were several times more than his training with kai. Wasn't he training in 10 x gravity for his battle with vegeta. 100x has got to be a huge gap in power for him. What was his peak vs Vegeta? Power level 21000. Multiply that by ten and his power is just about what it should have been. Not to mension most of it was training his body to perform a technique that could increase his ability several times over. He was only as strong as he was because of the kaoken attack.

Originally posted by King Kandy
A. Goku ran laps and did push-ups in a spaceship.

Kaoiken times 3 or Kaoiken times 4 was too much for Goku's body when he fought Vegeta on earth, but after he was done training at 100 times gravity, he was able to perform Kaoiken times 20 (at least).

Vegeta's defeat and revenge against Zarbon did increase his strength, yes, but not as much as Goku's increased through the training that he did.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Nah, he wasn't even using Kaioken when he took on the Genyu Force, and Vegeta couldn't beat Recoome. My point is that for how hard Vegeta worked, and how his life was always threatened, it doesn't seem fair that Goku is stronger.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Nah, he wasn't even using Kaioken when he took on the Genyu Force, and Vegeta couldn't beat Recoome. My point is that for how hard Vegeta worked, and how his life was always threatened, it doesn't seem fair that Goku is stronger.

I always assumed it was something like a 2x upgrade, but anyway I know he did it in high gravity, but if i'd been risking my life to get stronger i'd be pretty depressed when someone comes along and got stronger by doing some basic exercises in a high-gravity spaceship.

Originally posted by HueyFreeman
Though I could be wrong since Vegetas power level flucuated greatly between krillin shooting him and dende healing him.

Originally posted by King Kandy
I always assumed it was something like a 2x upgrade, but anyway I know he did it in high gravity, but if i'd been risking my life to get stronger i'd be pretty depressed when someone comes along and got stronger by doing some basic exercises in a high-gravity spaceship.

And that's basically how Vegeta felt (needless to say).

Now that I think about it, one think I would've done differently with the series is take out the entire Buu arc, and have Dabura the final, most powerful villain or whatever instead. Screw Majin Buu. I mean, come on. Dabura's the freakin' Demon King! It would've made sense for him to be the biggest threat, as opposed to being turned into a cookie. 😐 What a waste.

Also would've made King Cold a much bigger threat to the Super Saiyans (or at least Trunks) so he would've been a more remembered villain than what he turned out to be. 😬 Any father of Frieza's should've gotten such treatment.

Would've made Cooler canon as well.

.. And I'd be tempted to make Broly weaker just to anger the fanboys. 😛
Yeah.

Make Dragonball fights more like One Piece fights. Give secondary characters interesting/unique/important things to do. Make alternative powers more important and interesting. More team fights a la Nappa/Freezer fight, less one on one fights that end with a plot device power up -say, the whole Cell absorbing androids plot-.

I didn't mind the whole Cell absorbing Androids plot to be honest, though I guess that's because he was my favorite villain in the series, but otherwise, I agree. The whole absorption thing ended up becoming gay when it was overused by Buu.

And I definitely agree about more of those team fights like the Nappa and Frieza examples you mentioned. That would've been awesome... Would've re-watched the series more than I had just for that.

I would have liked the series to go Toriyama originally planed it gohan takingg over after the cell saga. This would allow more character development for the other characters and made it much more interesting because Come on Who didn't like Future Gohan?

I didn't. I never liked any form of Gohan but I liked the pacifist Gohan best. I'd have just given Tien some big fights instead of mostly cutting him out. Probably give the other humans big fights also.

i probably would have made piccollo a little more important by the end of the series too

Originally posted by yungz22
i probably would have made piccollo a little more important by the end of the series too

Originally posted by yungz22
i probably would have made piccollo a little more important by the end of the series too

True. 🙁 I was hoping Piccolo's strength would increase as much as the others' did after training in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber too... Too much focus on the saiyans man, seriously.

What he did to Babidi was pretty badass though. Just wish he had actually been the one to kill him and not Buu. Would've been more fitting. 😛

I would have created enough bad guys for everyone to defeat kind of like Yu Yu Hakusho every character would get a chance to fight but of course the main character would be the strongest. Thats the problem with DBZ there are alot of good guys but not enough ewvil people for them to fight.

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
True. 🙁 I was hoping Piccolo's strength would increase as much as the others' did after training in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber too... Too much focus on the saiyans man, seriously.

What he did to Babidi was pretty badass though. Just wish he had actually been the one to kill him and not Buu. Would've been more fitting. 😛

Originally posted by yungz22
I would have created enough bad guys for everyone to defeat kind of like Yu Yu Hakusho every character would get a chance to fight but of course the main character would be the strongest. Thats the problem with DBZ there are alot of good guys but not enough ewvil people for them to fight.

I'd do the same thing yungz22 would do. I'd also make all of the DBZ movies into short story arcs and would make Piccolo at the end of DBZ strong enough to at least hold his own against Goku at the end.

I'd also make a short arc in which Goku and Vegeta fuse into Gogeta to take on a considerably stronger than before LSS Broly (just like in the DBZ budokai tenkaichi 3 opening).