Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Ummm...what? Haven't we gotten past this?His forcefield is shown so many times I refuse to prove sumthin so mundane, even gameplay has it.
Size of the sun is from one of his endings, he was wearing Earth-sized planets for rings, judging from the respective sizes, Pyron's top size is at least the sun.
nothing from what ive seen calls it impenetrable
......i see one of his uncanon endings
Originally posted by Violent2Dope
1. Never been penetraed, you say the same thing for Kain's shield, why can't I say it for Pyron?2. Point is he CAN do it, fighting game endings show canon abilities.
1. because pyrons not stated and documented, Kains shield is described as being this and is shown being this, Pyrons shield is just shown hit by various things but its never stated it cant be broken or such
2. thats not an ability at all m8, thats a state, a state that comes from the power he would gain after the battles
No, he would have his soul ripped out by Jedah, but that's beside the point.
When was Kain's shield stated to be impenetrable?
It's a state he could reach for a long time, not after eating Earth, he was shown making Earth one of his rings, he was shown to have many more. He has always been able to reach that size(well, prior to going to Earth anyway).
1. Jedah is an immensley powerful vampire in Darkstalkers, with great power over souls.2. Show me KOSMOS' PTC destroying a dimension, which Jedah did do btw, thru the use of the dimension he made called the Majigen, the Majigen pretty much absorbed it. Souls are Jedah's play thing, he can take them from across planets and dimensions, he can absorb them for power, feed them to beings to increase their power and in the case of the Shintai(first lifeform in the existence Jedah was remaking), make them awake, and can even make a dimension from one soul, he was going to remake existence.
[QUOTE]sigh, im a xensaga FREAK so please do not try to argue with me on this. the PHASE transfer cannon is exactly that, a weapons that creates a transfer of space's phase from real to imaginary and higher dimensional. the energy blast that destroyed the three galaxies was a phase transfer blast. also, kosmos used the phase transfer cannon to materialise the song of nephilim from higher dimensional imaginary space-time into real space-time. it was also able to penetrate the barrier{tertiary weapon syste} of the space time anomoly of higher dimensions surrouinf reme' le chateu' and opened a doorway to it when nuthign else worked. also, do remember that dimensions in xenosaga are UNIVERSE sized, and complete, not just REALMS.
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3. Since when is KOSMOS' TWS and U-DO's beam colliding talking? Oh and alternate futures ftl.
but you are forgetting alternate future or alternate pasts are all cannon and all exists inside the encaphalon, the REALITY part of it is subjective expirience as explained in the game. and that is what the encaphalon is.
and it wasnrt normal kosmos, it was the conciousness of mary magdalene battling udo in higher dimensional space, and the two beams colliding in real space is just an OBSERVABLE RESULT of that exchange, just like the testaments dont really exist as people see them in real space.
4. Really, I have never heard any of this stuff about KOSMOS' soul, but Jedah with a raise of his hand in a few seconds ate billions of souls over a distance much vaster than Earth.
and kosmos was able to hold the souls of the entire multiverse, past present and future from destroying themselves through chaos's anima, but in so doing got dispersed over the collective unconcious umn and THAT is the reason that the real mary magdalene died.
5. Like I said, I know jack-shit about T-elos.
u shud play xenosaga 3. telos has teh BODY of mary magdalene and has superior power due to continuously existing and interfacing in the umn and imaginary space
6. Demitri transfer his soul and survived U-DO's blast...wtf? I don't think we are talkin about the same Demitri, I'm talking about Darkstalkers Demitri, who is a powerful vampire who can survive time/space ripping attacks(sent him and his whole castle to another dimension), but is a bug to Jedah, even with Pyron's energy he still was killed.
lmao! srry, i thought u were talking about dimitri yuriev, as in the ffather of rubedo albedo and nigredo.
7. Pyron potentially is the strongest here technically, since he's always increasing his power by eating planets. And personally, I think Pyron>Kosmos and he>>>Demitri(even tho he beat him in the game, it was because Pyron weakened his own body to fight Demitri, and even then Demitri acknowledged Pyron as a worthy opponent). Pyron is at full size at least the size of the sun, can fly billions of times FTL, has an impenetrable forcefield he summons at will, can tele, along with a bunch of other crap I can't remember.
kosmos's normal phase transfer canon can easily erase stars from existance and has destrooyed galaxies and dimensions before as i stated. through interfacing with the umn and E.S dinah, kosmos can travel unimaginably faster than light through the umn. also, her hibert effect instantaneously works on the level of multiple BILLIONS of atsronomical uniyts distances{lmao, 1 astronomical units is too huge of a distance to imagine even by light speed terms} etc etc.
Just so you all know, I was jokin, I don't think Jedah can beat them all.
i dunno much about jeddah, but from what ive heard, he cant even beat kosmos.
and it wasnrt normal kosmos, it was the conciousness of mary magdalene battling udo in higher dimensional space, and the two beams colliding in real space is just an OBSERVABLE RESULT of that exchange, just like the testaments dont really exist as people see them in real space.
none of this was ever said in the game
and kosmos was able to hold the souls of the entire multiverse, past present and future from destroying themselves through chaos's anima, but in so doing got dispersed over the collective unconcious umn and THAT is the reason that the real mary magdalene died.
this was only the Dimensional Universe Xenosaga happens in
no mention of any other Lower Domain universe being effected
kosmos's normal phase transfer canon can easily erase stars from existance and has destrooyed galaxies and dimensions before as i stated
never happened
her PT Cannon is substantially smaller than the one she used in EP1 that had the potential to destroy stars and her TWS has two PT Cannons and it never came close to what you describing
none of this was ever said in the game
lol. you dont know how to pick up visal quese do you. look at kos mos's EYE COLOUR, when it changes{im forgetting i think its blue when shes mary and red when she is normal kosmos} , when she did that, her eye colour changed.
this was only the Dimensional Universe Xenosaga happens in
no mention of any other Lower Domain universe being effected
untrue, you are misunderstanding the encaphlon, the DIFFERENCE is just subjective, they are all connected to the main reality and as such affect it and are affected by it, which is why shion was able to materialise abel's ark in REAL space by going in another dimension in the encaphlon. chaos/shion/wilhelm/udo/testament etc all have powers that act on ALL existance.
never happened
her PT Cannon is substantially smaller than the one she used in EP1 that had the potential to destroy stars and her TWS has two PT Cannons and it never came close to what you describing
true, but shion said that it easily CUD and so did the xenosaga database. if u have a problem, take it up there. also, her phase transfer cannon AFTER becoming mary is not dependant on SIZE at all, that is not what phase transfer is about. shion made the comment about the star when she was using the SINGLE phase transfer cannon which materialised the song of the nephilim in real space. phase transfer cannon is not dependant on SIZE to has power. seeing as telos was about to obliterate asher with hers while even omega res novae with a HUGE ass phase tranfer cannon cudnt due to asher's anima. and also, you are forgetting the multiple galaxy destroying example.
lol. you dont know how to pick up visal quese do you. look at kos mos's EYE COLOUR, when it changes{im forgetting i think its blue when shes mary and red when she is normal kosmos} , when she did that, her eye colour changed.
you must have X-Ray vision to see her eyes changing color
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untrue, you are misunderstanding the encaphlon, the DIFFERENCE is just subjective, they are all connected to the main reality and as such affect it and are affected by it, which is why shion was able to materialise abel's ark in REAL space by going in another dimension in the encaphlon. chaos/shion/wilhelm/udo/testament etc all have powers that act on ALL existance.
A. that wasn't the Encephelon it was a world created by the Testaments in Shion's subconscious by temporarily restoring the consciousnesses of everyone on Miltia 15 years ago
B. imaginary space and real space make up the universe
not the multiverse
true, but shion said that it easily CUD and so did the xenosaga database. if u have a problem, take it up there.
not all Phase Transfer Cannons are created equal apparently
no line about destroying stars was ever mentioned in XSIII and Shion was right there as two of them were going off
which materialised the song of the nephilim in real space
it never was not in real space
"using some sort of cloaking device"
the Song was built by humans in real space it can't be in imaginary sapce
you are forgetting the multiple galaxy destroying example.
that wasn't a Phase Transfer Cannon though
least not like what we see in canon uses of the PT Cannon
PT Cannons fire one blast of energy not a continuous stream of it
seeing as telos was about to obliterate asher with hers while even omega res novae with a HUGE ass phase tranfer cannon cudnt due to asher's anima.
Omega never fought Asher one on one and since when did it have a PT Cannon ?
Omega is several times stronger than T-elos
]you must have X-Ray vision to see her eyes changing colornope, just notice stuff. and others have noticed it too. and remember, shion was not there doign her duties so it was infact mary who cud show such power.
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A. that wasn't the Encephelon it was a world created by the Testaments in Shion's subconscious by temporarily restoring the consciousnesses of everyone on Miltia 15 years ago
B. imaginary space and real space make up the universe
not the multiverse
that IS the encaphalon, which is why we can use the plate to acces it AGAIN, as many times as we want. imaginary space is nearly infinite, and i wasnt referring to both making up the multiverse, i was referring to everything in the encaphlon creating the multiverse, as those are different ralities altogether and as real as anything else as explained.
in xenosaga 3 it was mentioned in the encyclpedia thingie, in reality shion said that in xenosaga one or two, i dun remember but she said it alright. and you cant really be sure of the power level statement can you now.
not all Phase Transfer Cannons are created equal apparently
no line about destroying stars was ever mentioned in XSIII and Shion was right there as two of them were going off
it never was not in real space"using some sort of cloaking device"
the Song was built by humans in real space it can't be in imaginary sapce
untrue, kosmos uses the phase transfer cannon to materialise the ACTIVE song of nephilim in real space. which is why you can enter it afterwards and cudnt before. this was even stated in the encyclopedia in xenosaga 3.
that wasn't a Phase Transfer Cannon though
least not like what we see in canon uses of the PT Cannon
PT Cannons fire one blast of energy not a continuous stream of it
also, you are wrong about the second part too, there are different types of phase transfer cannons{even though we cant say whcih is more powerful or not} kosmos's tertiary weapon system continuously fires beams against remme le chateu while kosmos's and telos and omeg res novae have orbs which remain for long and deliver multiple hits
Omega never fought Asher one on one and since when did it have a PT Cannon ?
Omega is several times stronger than T-elos
first off you are wrong, it is exactly a larger version of telos's phase transfer cannon, look at the energy orb it emits. and it also attacks in exactl the multiple hit that telos's one does.
omega res novae faught all the shion team e.s in the final battle with dimitri and attacked all of them. and you are wrong again, even the people who were testing em said that even though omega fared well against the gnosis, they were scared of what telos wud have done to it. furthermore, telos is a much later and much stronger boss than omega and it was because she had mary's body.
untrue, kosmos uses the phase transfer cannon to materialise the ACTIVE song of nephilim in real space. which is why you can enter it afterwards and cudnt before. this was even stated in the encyclopedia in xenosaga 3.[]/quote]no it wasn't
the Song is a real object BUILT IN REAL SPACE
she blasted the Song to destroy teh cloaking device[quote]first off you are wrong, it is exactly a larger version of telos's phase transfer cannon, look at the energy orb it emits. and it also attacks in exactl the multiple hit that telos's one does.
i saw Omega fight KOS-MOS
it has a large laser beam nothing like T-elos' PT Cannon
Omega never was scene fighting after this until it awakened
omega res novae faught all the shion team e.s in the final battle with dimitri and attacked all of them. and you are wrong again, even the people who were testing em said that even though omega fared well against the gnosis, they were scared of what telos wud have done to it. furthermore, telos is a much later and much stronger boss than omega and it was because she had mary's body.
man you're full of BS
game mechanics ?
A. the actual party never fought Omega they fought Yuriev who periodically used Omega to attack
B. the E.S.es fought Omega Metempsychosis but they all ahve Vessels of Anima which is draws on U-DO's power
you thinK T-elos is stronger than something with the Zohar and Abel.....that tells me something
i saw Omega fight KOS-MOS
it has a large laser beam nothing like T-elos' PT Cannon
Omega never was scene fighting after this until it awakened
maybe i shud have been more specific. OMEGA "METAPSYCHOSIS" had the same attack at a larger scale than telos. it was exactly the same.
man you're full of BS
game mechanics ?
A. the actual party never fought Omega they fought Yuriev who periodically used Omega to attack
B. the E.S.es fought Omega Metempsychosis but they all ahve Vessels of Anima which is draws on U-DO's poweryou thinK T-elos is stronger than something with the Zohar and Abel.....that tells me something
i was referring to the omega metapsychosis battle. and what do the vessels of anima have to do with my argument? i was ismply referring to it being unable to setroy asher as opposed to telos. your making breakaway arguments.
and lol. even posessing the zohar and abel, it was no match for the power of the white testament albedo{and it was broken up even before by the e.s s}. the zohas was not being used properly and to its full potential and shion's team had sum very powerful people, that is why they won{also if you finish the game a reload ull see that just like the testaments who are fed by wilhelm's power, shion's team has potentially the power of chaos and kosmos to an extent as they are the reborn forms of the ACTUAL follower of chaos/jesus/messiah. u can check this up if a you wish in the in game exncycopedia thingie}. dimitrie's soul was already corrupted by udo and as albedo said, "this power is not sumthing a human can handle. you are way over your head old man" . dimitri wasnt the best man to control it, simple as that.
and yes because of that and all the reasons stated, telos is above omega. also, telos is more powerful than mostly any testament faced{she was battling on par with voyager even in her unawakened form. and it was only when she awoke that she cud go up against telos. } the only exception might be kevin winnicot who was driven by more than just his testament powers and due to his love for shion and that is why in the fight, he turns into that wierd fiery knight unlike a normal testament.
i was referring to the omega metapsychosis battle. and what do the vessels of anima have to do with my argument? i was ismply referring to it being unable to setroy asher as opposed to telos. your making breakaway arguments.
you mean Asher of 15 years ago with an unawakened Vessel of Anima ?
the Asher in EP3 has an Erde Kaiser reactor as its power source and is just as powerful as any other E.S. even though it doesn't use a Vessel
comparing the Asher T-elos was preparing to attack and the one Omega fought is stupid as they don't even have the same power source or items
and lol. even posessing the zohar and abel, it was no match for the power of the white testament albedo{and it was broken up even before by the e.s s}.
the E.S.es which draw on the power of the Zohar....
and its debatable whether it was Albedo who did that
it was implied they were transported to Michtam by Wilhelm
the zohas was not being used properly and to its full potential and shion's team had sum very powerful people,
it doesn't matter
it was infinite and nothing T-elos could do would defeat Yuriev with the Omega
{also if you finish the game a reload ull see that just like the testaments who are fed by wilhelm's power, shion's team has potentially the power of chaos and kosmos to an extent as they are the reborn forms of the ACTUAL follower of chaos/jesus/messiah. u can check this up if a you wish in the in game exncycopedia thingie}
they have the potential to become Testaments that is all
doesn't mean they have the power of Testaments
dimitrie's soul was already corrupted by udo and as albedo said, "this power is not sumthing a human can handle. you are way over your head old man" . dimitri wasnt the best man to control it, simple as that. [/quote
and he would still WTFpwn T-elos
and yes because of that and all the reasons stated, telos is above omega.
Omega which is fueled by the Zohar and has the ultimate control device to harness the energies of U-DO ?
just Abel with an Emulator made Omega stronger than Proto Omega with the Original Zohar
Omega would own T-elos
also, telos is more powerful than mostly any testament faced{she was battling on par with voyager even in her unawakened form. and it was only when she awoke that she cud go up against telos. }
well Omega is vastly stronger than any Testament.... it's not like Albedo beat Omega
also Voyager was playing around KOS-MOS couldn't even harm him and he wasn't even trying
the only exception might be kevin winnicot who was driven by more than just his testament powers and due to his love for shion and that is why in the fight, he turns into that wierd fiery knight unlike a normal testament.
probably because normal Kevin looks gay and they needed an intimidating look for him
you mean Asher of 15 years ago with an unawakened Vessel of Anima ?
the Asher in EP3 has an Erde Kaiser reactor as its power source and is just as powerful as any other E.S. even though it doesn't use a Vessel
again, im asking you, what does this have to do with arguing?
comparing the Asher T-elos was preparing to attack and the one Omega fought is stupid as they don't even have the same power source or items
ahan, the one fifteen years ago had a vessel of anime which also allowed anima awakenings which the erde kaiser generater does not.
the E.S.es which draw on the power of the Zohar....
and its debatable whether it was Albedo who did that
it was implied they were transported to Michtam by Wilhelm
yes yes, but thats the point, omega res novae did NOT have the zohar's full power. it was ill utilised. and it was MOST definately albedo, he was the one that waved his hand and produced the zohar from omega and teleported it to michtam. as he did with abel. also remember that wilhelm called albedo "weaver of the eternal circle zarathustra" and that is why he was waiting for his death and rebirth as a testament before he cud impliment his plan. strongly suggesting that it was infact ALBEDO'S fate to retrieve the zohar and abel and teleport the to michtam. it wasnt wilhelm.
it doesn't matter
it was infinite and nothing T-elos could do would defeat Yuriev with the Omega
then how was he defeated by e.s. s and a single testament. the zohar has infinite POTENTIAL but it wasnt utilised, as i albedo said "your way over your head old man. that power is not sumthing a human can wield". telos was a much later and much stronger boss. also remember that proto omega which was ALSO fueled by the original zohar was easily disabled by the testaments, the testaments power{even mentioned in the encyclopedia} is horrifyingly great and was above both omegas. also remember that the es battles against voyager's unit was harder than omega metapsychosis.. telos is greater than the testaments and greater than omega.
they have the potential to become Testaments that is all
doesn't mean they have the power of Testaments
and he would still WTFpwn T-elos
no he wudnt, i have explained it before. the GRANDESS of the battle isnt directly related to power here. do not cofuse the two, mary;s body is stronger than omega.
Omega which is fueled by the Zohar and has the ultimate control device to harness the energies of U-DO ?
just Abel with an Emulator made Omega stronger than Proto Omega with the Original Zohar
Omega would own T-elos
it does not have the ultimate control device to harness udo, abel is there unwillingly and he is also autistic for the most part. also, proto omega was also fuled by the zohar and was easily defeated by the testaments. telos is stronger than the testaments. omega will never own telos.
well Omega is vastly stronger than any Testament.... it's not like Albedo beat Omega
also Voyager was playing around KOS-MOS couldn't even harm him and he wasn't even trying
LOL. omega is not even close to as strong as a testament. seeing as albedo did what he did to omega metapsychosis. same deal with proto omega and the omega system. voyager wasnt playing around with kosmos, he just was not harmed much due to his nature, and do remember that this was kosmos WITHOUT mary's soul. the point of the battle was to show how powerful the new kosmos version was. also remember that voyager in his e.s. was a much harder battle than omega res novae.
probably because normal Kevin looks gay and they needed an intimidating look for him
come ON now, kevin might be a little metrosexual but he is prolly the best looking man in xenosaga{along with nigredo i suppose}. xenosaga has lotsa gorgeous women but very little number of men that girls actually like. {i wudnt mind looking like kevin winicot at all 😛 }
again, im asking you, what does this have to do with arguing?
it totally destroys your argument
T-elos and Omega fought two different Ashers
ahan, the one fifteen years ago had a vessel of anime which also allowed anima awakenings which the erde kaiser generater does not.
untrue
the Vessels did not Awaken until 15 years after this
Omega fought fully awakened Vessels of Anima and an EK Reactor
EK being capable of obliterating blackholes and destroying stars......
yes yes, but thats the point, omega res novae did NOT have the zohar's full power. it was ill utilised
a human being couldn't use its full power but Omega itself was easily the ultimate weapon in Xenosaga
then how was he defeated by e.s. s and a single testament.
i don't call Yuriev laughing and the party being scared and saying "there's no end to this" being defeated
Albedo beat Yuriev not Omega
telos was a much later and much stronger boss.
she was a pissant defeated by the party on foot
it took fully awakened Vessels of Anima just to stand up to Omega and they failed to defeat it
also remember that proto omega which was ALSO fueled by the original zohar was easily disabled by the testaments,
Omega Res Novae with Sellers' Emulator was far stronger than Proto Omega with the Original
so comparing the awakened Omega with the Original to Proto Omega is just wrong
telos is greater than the testaments and greater than omega.
she is not stronger than the Testaments
Kevin said the only one who could defeat KOS-MOS was T-elos but he was wrong about everything when it come to the KOS/Tos relationship
and Omega draws on the ultimate power source stronger than either Animus or Anima and is piloted by the one being who can fully stabilize and use that energy from the Zohar to its fullest
T-elos is nothing to that
not true, they are the ANTITHESIS of the testaments who have power enogh to oppose them. they are to chaos and kosmos as testaments are to wilhelm.
they aren't the antithesis of anything
they all have high compatability with Vessels of Anima and thus can become Testaments
they aren't the opposite of a Testament
mary;s body is stronger than omega.
ah yes the body of a woman who was never a fighter
never anything but a woman with the power of Animus
her body is nothing special
it does not have the ultimate control device to harness udo, abel is there unwillingly and he is also autistic for the most part.
From the XSIII Database under Omega Metempsychosis:
“Abel has been built into the control device in the unit’s core, due to the need for the higher-dimensional “power” flowing directly through the Zohar to be stabilized for dimensional space.”
Abel has no real will U-DO will do anything and go anywhere to observe Abel is there to observe and he can utilize the Zohar's power better than anything else in the Xenoverse and that's why he could make something with an Emulator stronger than something with the Original Zohar
also, proto omega was also fuled by the zohar and was easily defeated by the testaments. telos is stronger than the testaments. omega will never own telos.
3 Testaments would destroy T-elos no sweat
and Proto Omega was much weaker than regular Omega, let alone the FAR stronger awakened Omega
LOL. omega is not even close to as strong as a testament.
you are right its far stronger
seeing as albedo did what he did to omega metapsychosis.
you mean teleported it away ?
did not fight it at all ?
so what are you talking about ?
and do remember that this was kosmos WITHOUT mary's soul.
she always has Mary's soul
also remember that voyager in his e.s. was a much harder battle than omega res novae.
and he was far harder than T-elos
also please stop using game mechanics
it totally destroys your argument
T-elos and Omega fought two different Ashers
untrue
the Vessels did not Awaken until 15 years after this
Omega fought fully awakened Vessels of Anima and an EK Reactor
EK being capable of obliterating blackholes and destroying stars......
ek kaiser and its reactor are two different things, it was NORMAL erde kaiser which cud destroy moons btw, not erde kaiser fury or dark erde kaiser or erde kaiser sigma. remember that. also remember that it was specifically stated that the generater allower 100% power supply to asher, the SAME as an unawakened vessel of anima. hence it wan not stronger at all but equal to a normal vessel of anime unawakened. hence the comparison holds .
a human being couldn't use its full power but Omega itself was easily the ultimate weapon in Xenosaga
untrue, that wud be zarathustra which wud make you god himself.
i don't call Yuriev laughing and the party being scared and saying "there's no end to this" being defeated
Albedo beat Yuriev not Omega
and yet omega metapsychosis was "broken" and cracked at the feat joints and stuff. and yes, albedo beat yuriev with that INFITNITE power, so u do admit that.
she was a pissant defeated by the party on foot
it took fully awakened Vessels of Anima just to stand up to Omega and they failed to defeat it
no she was defeated by a superior phase transfer cannon blast by the soul of mary. also, vessels of anima do not equal POWER OF ANIMA, it only allows certain special abilities and interface with the zohar for energy without exhaustion, the real anima is far more powerful than the sum of its parts.
Omega Res Novae with Sellers' Emulator was far stronger than Proto Omega with the Original
so comparing the awakened Omega with the Original to Proto Omega is just wrong
no no, i was not comparing the two, i was merely stating how simply POSESSING the orignal zohar didnt translate to COMPLETE POWER OF THE ZOHAR as you suggested to try and defeat telos. both were actually weaker than telos. also, it was the scientists at the test facility themselves who stated that omega res novae with the zohar emulater wudnt survive against telos the way it was able to survive against those practice gnosis.
she is not stronger than the Testaments
Kevin said the only one who could defeat KOS-MOS was T-elos but he was wrong about everything when it come to the KOS/Tos relationship
and Omega draws on the ultimate power source stronger than either Animus or Anima and is piloted by the one being who can fully stabilize and use that energy from the Zohar to its fullest
T-elos is nothing to that
LOL, untrue. as i have said, the relationship between chaos and udo hasnt been elaborated upon. apparently they BOTH have the power to end all existance{this can not be denied} that is why you can not say that the zohar > anima. it simply isnt true, it is at best equal to the anima. also another thing to notice is that the anima was as central to zarathustra as the zohar so you can not say one is stronger than the other. also, abel cud not FULLY STABILISE it, abel was the only one who cud BEAR it without dying or going insance. also remember in the dimitri battle, abel yelled painfully/manically everyt time the human yuriev commanded him to use post tranformation omega res novae to shot those multiple lasers. {another funny thing is that the symbol that appears when abel does that is the same symbol that appears in chaos's last beloved fospel spell even without him havign the anima}
they aren't the antithesis of anything
they all have high compatability with Vessels of Anima and thus can become Testaments
they aren't the opposite of a Testament
yes they are, finish the game and reload and read the new entries int he encyclopedia in xenosaga 3, a LOT of these misconceptions will be completely adressed there.
ah yes the body of a woman who was never a fighter
never anything but a woman with the power of Animus
her body is nothing special
no, the body of the women who is the animus. as a result of it, telos was able to directly interact with the umn which made her so powerful, again, comes from the encyclopedia.
From the XSIII Database under Omega Metempsychosis:“Abel has been built into the control device in the unit’s core, due to the need for the higher-dimensional “power” flowing directly through the Zohar to be stabilized for dimensional space.”
Abel has no real will U-DO will do anything and go anywhere to observe Abel is there to observe and he can utilize the Zohar's power better than anything else in the Xenoverse and that's why he could make something with an Emulator stronger than something with the Original Zohar
the first OFFICIAL part just says that he is the only one who can STABILISE IT. it never says he can use 100%. that is your extrapolation with no evidence. if he was using 100% of udo's power than that wud definately cause a space time anomoly which wud consume the entire existance and yet nuthin like that hapened at all.
3 Testaments would destroy T-elos no sweat
and Proto Omega was much weaker than regular Omega, let alone the FAR stronger awakened Omega
still doesnt matter. and i wud disagree, awakened kosmos is like wilhelm or chaos. wilhelm is the one that gives the testament their power. kosmos is more powerful fully awakened than all the testaments.
you are right its far stronger
you are wrong, it is weaker, size isnt everything, look at chaos.
you mean teleported it away ?did not fight it at all ?
so what are you talking about ?
sigh. he DISABLED IT, and took away the zohar AGAINST uriev's willl{who according to you had limitless power and as such wud be able to stop albedo is he wanted. but he cudnt} he didnt have to fight it, he also forcibly ejected uriev from omega and took out able through power too. that is the power of a testament.
she always has Mary's soul
untrue, mary's souls is fragmented and spread across the umn and only sumtimes materialised partially into kosmos and sumtimes affected her decisions, the only time it was all there was after kosmos absorbed telos and became mary. her eye colour changed otherwise when mary surfaced from red to blue.
and he was far harder than T-elosalso please stop using game mechanics
lmao, no he wasnt. telos battle lasted longer. also, telos was the last boss battle before zarathustra. other than kevin winnicot.
ek kaiser and its reactor are two different things, it was NORMAL erde kaiser which cud destroy moons btw, not erde kaiser fury or dark erde kaiser or erde kaiser sigma. remember that. also remember that it was specifically stated that the generater allower 100% power supply to asher, the SAME as an unawakened vessel of anima. hence it wan not stronger at all but equal to a normal vessel of anime unawakened. hence the comparison holds .
yet i remember Asher being just as strong as every other E.S. the party had....
so yeah the one T-elos fought was not the same
not even close
hell it had completely different pilots and as we saw in EP2 the pilot and copilot of Asher can change some attacks and powers of it
untrue, that wud be zarathustra which wud make you god himself.
God already beat Zarathustra with chaos as its power source and controlled by Mary
only with God's power, Abel and the Zohar, could Zarathustra have poossibly succeeded in making one God
and yet omega metapsychosis was "broken" and cracked at the feat joints and stuff. and yes, albedo beat yuriev with that INFITNITE power, so u do admit that.no she was defeated by a superior phase transfer cannon blast by the soul of mary. also, vessels of anima do not equal POWER OF ANIMA, it only allows certain special abilities and interface with the zohar for energy without exhaustion, the real anima is far more powerful than the sum of its parts.
it really doesn't matter as the E.S. crafts are far more powerful than the actual party except for KOS-MOS and chaos and this is only with their powers fully awakened
no no, i was not comparing the two, i was merely stating how simply POSESSING the orignal zohar didnt translate to COMPLETE POWER OF THE ZOHAR as you suggested to try and defeat telos. both were actually weaker than telos. also, it was the scientists at the test facility themselves who stated that omega res novae with the zohar emulater wudnt survive against telos the way it was able to survive against those practice gnosis.
not even the awakened Omega so i don't care what they think of the weaker Omega
kevin's oppinion has no consequence on awakened kosmos being stronger than the testaments. nor of telos beign stronger than the testaments. both of them are stronger than the testaments.
you have no proof of that but i'm used to it
how you debate
LOL, untrue. as i have said, the relationship between chaos and udo hasnt been elaborated upon. apparently they BOTH have the power to end all existance{this can not be denied} that is why you can not say that the zohar > anima.
yes i can
\chaos was born in this domain
U-DO is from the higher domain
thus he is stronger
abel cud not FULLY STABILISE it, abel was the only one who cud BEAR it without dying or going insance. also remember in the dimitri battle, abel yelled painfully/manically everyt time the human yuriev commanded him to use post tranformation omega res novae to shot those multiple lasers. {another funny thing is that the symbol that appears when abel does that is the same symbol that appears in chaos's last beloved fospel spell even without him havign the anima}
Abel screams a lot
it is never said why
so please don't assume
yes they are, finish the game and reload and read the new entries int he encyclopedia in xenosaga 3, a LOT of these misconceptions will be completely adressed there.
so you know nothing of Xenosaga
gotcha
no, the body of the women who is the animus. as a result of it, telos was able to directly interact with the umn which made her so powerful, again, comes from the encyclopedia.
it says nothing of her being made of Mary allows her to interface with the UMN
she can do it but there is no stated reason why
the first OFFICIAL part just says that he is the only one who can STABILISE IT. it never says he can use 100%. that is your extrapolation with no evidence. if he was using 100% of udo's power than that wud definately cause a space time anomoly which wud consume the entire existance and yet nuthin like that hapened at all.
no genius space-time anomalies occur when the higher-dimensional energy is unstable
it has nothing to do with the quantity of power but stabilizing the power
sigh. he DISABLED IT, and took away the zohar AGAINST uriev's willl{who according to you had limitless power and as such wud be able to stop albedo is he wanted. but he cudnt} he didnt have to fight it, he also forcibly ejected uriev from omega and took out able through power too. that is the power of a testament.
for one Yuriev neve rtried to attack Albedo
two Abel seemed to have collapsed
Albedo didn't disable anything he just took out the unconscious (?) Abel and the Zohar and they went away