KOS-MOS, T-elos, Pyron & Demitri vs Jedah

Started by 123KID4 pages
READ THAT U SILLY MAN!!!!! it isnt my fault that you are not aware of gnostic and christian and judaic mythology and can not understand the significance of the reference give. you knowingly misquoted and left out things. so i suppose im not the one lying here but YOU are.

there's nothing "divine" about chaos though
he's simply a human incarnation of the Collective Unconscious and Anima
he was the disciple of the Messiah in the Wiki article, in the OFFICIAL guides and supported in-game

hehe, liar calling sum1 else a liar is a lie. albedo waved his hand when the actual teleportation took place. he didnt do ANTYHING when the unconcious abel was phased out and the zohar was phased out and dimitri was ejected. OH i know, they all just happened for NO REASON AT ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! blagh what a fool. albedo WAS the one who made abel go unconcious.

so....Albedo did NOTHING when Abel collapsed ?
gotcha


stop insulting yourself. as i said, what you are proposing is that dimitri just sat back with his infinite power and didnt intentionally attack albedo, while just due to random coincidence and no cause, abel fell unconcsious and along with the zohar, phased out of omega and dimitri was ejected. WRONG, it was ALBEDO who made all that happen.

nope
WRONG
damn liars
WHAT HAPPENED:

A. Albedo descends from nowhere
B. Abel collapses
C. Albedo is talking and AFTER Abel has already collapsed, yuriev seems to notice Albedo as indicated by him turning his head towards Albedo and going "hmmm?"
D. Albeod walks, talks and takes off his mask
E. More talking
F. Albedo teleports Abel and the Zohar away as indicated by his line "do something about these" and moving his hand

THAT is what happened

Abel was alreadY unconscious before Yuriev even seEMEDd to pay Albedo any Attention

no, xenogears perfect guide was not necessarily written by the story board for the actual game or all of its memebers. it was prolly{as is the thign with such guides} written by other departments in namco responsible for popularising the mythology of the game and is their interpretation. the ingame guide however is ABSOLUTE CANNON as it is writtten by the same developmental team. just like different authors in comics can make the phoenix force either lose to xorn or control the multiverse, similarly different people in namco can have different poijnts of view, but what will always remain true cannon is the original author{aka in game guide}

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
now you're saying the XG Perfect Works aren't canon ?
your credibility is in the negatives and dropping

it isnt official cannon, its an outside source as i explained before. the ingame guide and quotes are official cannon.

Namco owns Monolith Soft made Xenosaga
Namco published the Xenosaga Episiode III OFFICIAL Complete Guide

get lost n00b

no, it was a little while before, abel was made to collapse by albedo to stop dimitri from using omega{remember that even before teleporting the zohar away, albedo says "your way over your head old man, this power is not sumthing a human can control". easily giving the indication that it was HE who made abel go unconcious . also, if your such a genius why dont YOU give me a reason why abel collapsed?!?!? and please dont say that it had no reason, the game developers re not that lame.

there is no explained reason
NOTHING says Albedo did it
if you want to ASSUME with your petty mind it was him go ahead
but you have NO PROOF
none

it said in the e.s entry or perhaps the vessel of anim entry that the e.s can call on the NEARLY infinite power of the zohar.

no
it says in the E.S. entry that BECAUSE the E.S.es draw on the power of the Zohar, the power of the E.S. is "inherently limitless"
same way KOS-MOS draws on the power of U-DO
neither the Vessels of Anima nor KOS-MOS draw on the full power of the Zohar just a bit of it

no, it is just said that it is harnessing the pwer o the original zohar. nuthign about complete power. the fact that albedo says what he says about humans beign unable to control that power is proof enought that your wrong.

except it was Abel controlling the power and Yuriev controlling Omega which had Abel and the Zohar

not perfectly, just BARELY. if omega had infinite power, than it wud have had 100% of the power of UDO

no it wouldn't
U-DO's full power can not possibly exist in the lower dimension
the Zohar draws down a universally infinite amount of power
as U-DO exists above all universes his power is beyond universal and even the max amount of the Zohar, which would be universally infinite, is not U-DO's full power

abel is not an AVATAR of udo,. it is just an OBSERVATIONAL TERMINAL of udo. avatar = human incarnation, HUAGE difference from just an observational terminal.

now you'r ejust making up definitions ?

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/avatar

find me one place on there that specifies avatars have to be humans

no, he cudnt fully open it, he cud only work it BETTER than patriarch sergius. he was an INTERFACE. it was infact yuriev's will that was actually drawing out the power and why albedo said what he said. as it was yuriev;s entry into omega res novae which turned it into metapsychosis.

SIGH

Sellers: he [Abel] is essential for controlling Omega
...acts a mediator to the Zohar waves

and the Omega Metempsychosis XSIII Entry:

“Abel has been built into the control device in the unit’s core, due to the need for the higher-dimensional “power” flowing directly through the Zohar to be stabilized for dimensional space.”

Abel controls the power and is was Abel who made Omega Res Novae stronger than Proto Omega it had nothing to do with Yuriev
Abel draws out and harnesses more energy than Proto omega could with the Original

lol. apparently you do not. nephilim was the first human to make CONTACT with udo. and accept udo as opposed to be afraid of it

sigh
no she was completley annihilated

. as such, she is perfectly suited for a task if she had a body{as she was erfectly suited to guiding the wills of the gnosis who rejected the world at zarathustra}.

sigh again....
no that was because of Mary's power....

it is really boring to prove youw rong again and again

also, she is very similar or equal to abel, the two share a cause and affect relationship as abel appeared exactly when she disappeared and both were equally functional in guiding the wills of the gnosis. anything abel can do, she can do too, if she had a real space body.[/quote

she's nothing like Abel...
she's a human girl who was destroyed upon linking with the Zohar and contacing U-DO
she was the first contact with U-DO and that's why Abel appeared to see the place this person he connected with was from
Abel = real space avatar of God
Nephilim = human girl annihilated into imaginary space
big difference ya know ?

nephilim is also a lower dimensional being and yet she is equal to abel.

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you are out of your mind

chaos's power is nearly if not completely infinite, that is why it can destroy all of creation. he is more important and powerful than the eyes of god or nephilim. abel is just an OBSERVATIONAL TERMINAL of udo, NOT udo himself.

chaos' power destroys one universe
that's pathetic compared to U-DO's power which is above ALL universes
and sorry but Abel = U-DO
not in power but Abel is U-DO

lol, no, abel was never the control device for zarathustra for wilhelm or dimitri, he was just used in zarathustra by wilhelm to SEAL THE EYES OF GOD.

uh...that's because Yuriev never got to Zarathustra ?
did you ever play Xenosaga ?

errrrr, when has the zohar nearly destroyed the universe?????????? there is only ONE thing in the higher domain, and that is udo. only a FINITE amount of his power leaks from the zohar into the lower domain. the zohar is a doorway, not udo himself.

as stated in the official guide published by Namco
"In order to prevent the spreading of this disappearance phenomenon to the entire universe, there was someone who sealed away the Earth. That someone is Wilhelm."

also the Official Guide confirms there are many other beings in the Upper Domain as U-DO itself does not exist with the concept of an individual
znd the Zohar draws on a universally infinite amount of power

i cant really see anywhere where the zohar has nearly destroyed creation, while ANIMA nearly always HAS.

lol no it hasn't
not even close
and also Lemegeton is U-DO's power

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Pyron potentially is the strongest here technically

After absorbing all of Pyron's power, Demitri still isn't the strongest in Darkstalkers. But you say that Pyron, alone, is? Interesting "logic" you have here.

Oh, and don't give me that bullcrap about "Pyron wasn't using his full power in the fight with Demetri", because it doesn't matter. Demitri absorbed him, and therefore ALL his power.

Just face it V2D, Pyron isn't the strongest character in Darkstalkers.

uh
V2D was permbanned

Originally posted by 123KID
uh
V2D was permbanned

Why?

Originally posted by SHM
After absorbing all of Pyron's power, Demitri still isn't the strongest in Darkstalkers. But you say that Pyron, alone, is? Interesting "logic" you have here.

Oh, and don't give me that bullcrap about "Pyron wasn't using his full power in the fight with Demetri", because [b]it doesn't matter. Demitri absorbed him, and therefore ALL his power.

Just face it V2D, Pyron isn't the strongest character in Darkstalkers. [/B]

ill defend this argument for him...he said potentially yes we can all use bold to highlight things people seem to foolishly miss

http://xenosaga3.namco.com/forums/showthread.php?t=99

ill reply to the long rant later, over here and in the udo thread. needless to say, you are resorting to illogical restating as a way to validate you r argument. i also find it interestein how you didnt reply to the part where i called you out for intentionally not reading and misrepresenting and actually quoted the part where the connection between chaos/yeshua and jesus is written. {that man may have just been john the babptist preaching or another counterpart of jesus. it was chaos who died in kosmos's arms read the entire 7 pages of the argument, also google chaos and jesus along with xenosaga at the same time. chaos is possibly a higher dimensional being} and no, it was albedo who made him unconcious if it wasnt the previous battle fatigue.

ill reply to the long rant later, over here and in the udo thread. needless to say, you are resorting to illogical restating as a way to validate you r argument. i also find it interestein how you didnt reply to the part where i called you out for intentionally not reading and misrepresenting and actually quoted the part where the connection between chaos/yeshua and jesus is written. {that man may have just been john the babptist preaching or another counterpart of jesus. it was chaos who died in kosmos's arms read the entire 7 pages of the argument, also google chaos and jesus along with xenosaga at the same time. chaos is possibly a higher dimensional being} and no, it was albedo who made him unconcious if it wasnt the previous battle fatigue.

A. no chaos is born of the Collective Unconscious of this lower domain stop making up things
B. Albedo did nothing to Abel unless you can show proof
C. why do i care what some thread says ?
i have Wilhelm's and the official guide on my side
some people on the internet mean nothing

Wow.

Feels good to have a fellow poster with a deeper understanding of Xenosaga.

*Passes the torch...although it has already been passed*

why thank you SBP
sorry for the late reply lol

Team wins, Unless Jedah has some prep.

Originally posted by Classic NES
Team wins, Unless Jedah has some prep.
Even if Jedah has prep, I fail to see what he could actually do to win this spite thread.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Even if Jedah has prep, I fail to see what he could actually do to win this spite thread.

BFR them to Majigen? shrug

Originally posted by Classic NES
BFR them to Majigen? shrug
Well, can't he also do that in battle? And KOSMOS and prolly T-elos can tele thru dimensions.

Unless he creates Majigen first I don't see how he could. Though, I'm under the impression that Majigen created yet.

Also, K.O.S.M.O.S. and T-elos can teleport through dimensions?

Plenty of DSers can cross dimensions but when the Majigen sucked them in they couldn't get out. Unless Jedah is silenced you can't escape the Majigen rather you have the powers to teleport in and out of dimensions or not.

But I do think Jedah might go down in this fight, he is fighting a lot of REALLY POWERFUL guys.

Are you back to stay?