Originally posted by SHM
From my knowledge, Lifestream is the source of [b]life and magic in FFVII. Inanimate objects aren't alive, so...
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Anyway the lifestream would work against ANYONE, it can cause destruction, as it was able to disintegrate meteor, it disintegrated Sephiroths body when he jumped in, when Denzels foster mom got exposed to it she died.
Heh, My first post in 3 months, But with the larger portion of the buttmonkeys gone, maybe it's time for me to come back and see if this place can be fixed up.
I'm going to correct some fallacies reguarding Demitri's powers, as well as Pyron's powers and the canonical events reguarding Darkstalkers that have been stated here.
First and foremost, Demitri, he is a Demonic Vampire lord from Makai, one of the high ruling families no less, He had challenged Belial for the throne of Makai and was defeated and cast out by Belial's Scalephoton, a time/space dimensional attack that ripped both Demitri and his castle from Makai, banishing it to Earth. Now some tend to find this description vague and unimpressive, but make no mistake, SURVIVING an attack that tears your body through a dimension is no trivial matter, in fact there arn't alot of characters in any video game you could name capable of such a durability feat...
Next there is the issues with Pyron and how he got absorbed by Demitri.
Pyron, at his absolute maximum peak is easily the size of a supergiant star, capable of absorbing planets with minimal effort, his first demonstration was with his own home planet of Hellstorm, when his powers where still developing. From there he procceeded to devour planets rich with life to maintain his immortality and vast cosmic powers, and incoporeal form. When he reached Earth, he decided to let it 'Ripen', and thus created the Hutzil Robots to monitor the planet, and notify him when it was ready to be consumed while he scoured the rest of the universe to satiate his hunger.
When Earth was finally ready, he decided to amuse himself first to wet his appetite, and challenged the strongest lifeforms fo mortal combat, without fail, he executed hundreds of these warriors, Darkstalkers and Humans alike, until he was finally defeated by Demitri in a grueling battle on top of Castle Maximov, Where using a combination of his Demon Magic, and the Midnight Bliss, Demitri was able to drain away Pyrons cosmic energy and absorb it into himself.
Now I'll straighten out one fact for you all here, the ONLY reason this worked at all, was because Pyron was a being of living energy, if he where coporeal at the time, this move would not have worked on him, because at that point, he couldn't have been absorbed... Unfortunately, Pyrons greatest asset, his immortal incoporeal body made of cosmic flame, turned out to be Demitri's trump card against him.
Now Demitri, already being a powerhouse that had survived being thrown through dimensions, not to mention having many demon magics and vast powers worthy of a demon lord at his command, and centuries worth of battle expereince through the innumerable wars and hardships of Makai, had just aquired the vast powers of cosmic flames, Demitri's power skyrocketed, although he could still never match the likes of Jedah, his power in this respect propelled him to the 3rd ranked darkstalkers character in terms of storuyline based power.
Now, to continue Pyrons capabilities, while on earth he was deliberately holding back the lions share, he still posessed unmached physical strength, by far the highest ranked energy manipulation skill, billions of years worth of battle experience, the ability to take on any form and shape he desires, teleportation, and beyond lightspeed (The ability to cross galaxies in a heartbeat is frigging fast ladies and gentlemen) makes him more than a match for almost any opponent, Sephiroth Included.
Now, to question some of Sephiroths abilities made by those that support him.
First the J-Cell argument. Now, I understand how it works, but I have 3 things to querie about this, #1: someone already mentioned this, but how is Sephiroth going to control someone if he has been destroyed already?. #2: Can the Jenova Cells posess those that are undead? Demitri is a Vampire, A Demonic vampire to be sure, but a Vampire is still undead, technically an animated corpse. and #3: Can the Jenova Cells survive the Cosmic Fire that shields Demitri? Draning though Sephiroth may be, but this does not always equate to Demitri simply drinking the blood...
The next point I wish to address is the Lifestream and Sin Harvest arguments. I did read that, while the Liffestream applies to Sephiroth, and grants him his magical abilities, the same cannot be said for Demitri, who is, as stated before, Undead, Sephiroths powers over the Lifestrem, while potent, will not affect Demitri, the magical powers that Sephiroth uses that are powered might, but any attack that uses the Lifestream itself will not do a damn thing.
As for the Sin Harvest, Dudes, Demitri is a Hell creature, the power of their sins won't harm them since they are immune to punishments of sin, as they are from hell where sins are always punished.
This is Pyro Demitri? Oh shit, he soloes all the Final Fantasies at the same time lol.
All of your information was accurate, except one small detail, when Pyron weakened himself to mortal form, I do not believe he still possessed the ability to fly at lightspeed, let alone beyond it.
And Demitri is not more than a match for any opponent, but I doubt you meant that literally lol.
He did, although it was amped by the Teleportation, he simply didn't use it at full capacity, he streaked around like a comet though, thats faster than the eye can see when he's that close to you.
And demitri becoming 3rd in Darstalker rank is a massive accomplishment when you deal with heavy handed planet busting and dimension killing characters there, Full powered Morrigan and Jedah are the only playable characters who rank higher, Although Anita and Belial also rank higher if going by story...
All freakishly powerful beings... And I'm not sure if Oboro Bishamon is above Demitri either...
Originally posted by Darkstorm ZeroThat's just a common art style, even Rurouni Kenshin characters do that.
He did, although it was amped by the Teleportation, he simply didn't use it at full capacity, he streaked around like a comet though, thats faster than the eye can see when he's that close to you.
I'ts much more difficult to hide when your lit up like a roman candle and leave a streak of fire every time you move... I think that means he can move much faster than the Anime style gives out...
To move like that and leave no trace when your a mass of living flame energy...
And again, lets not forget teleportation.
Originally posted by Darkstorm ZeroGranted, he still has tele, but there is not enough evidence to warrant FTL speeds while mortal IMO, and if he could move FTL while mortal, then frankly he would have annihilated Demitri.
I'ts much more difficult to hide when your lit up like a roman candle and leave a streak of fire every time you move... I think that means he can move much faster than the Anime style gives out...To move like that and leave no trace when your a mass of living flame energy...
And again, lets not forget teleportation.
Also, you said Pyron slaughtered thousands, I thought the only other person he was confirmed to fight was Bishamon?
Raptor, Sasquach, Rikuou (However thats spelled... 😛 ), Bishamon, Numerous Hutzils that turned on him, Victor, innumerable humans he killed with minisuns... ect, ect...
As for the speed thing, remember, he deliberately weakened himself, do we automatically assume he cant do it in that form because he chose not to? I'm sorry, but I think in this case, it's not the fact that he can't do it, but simply chose not to. If at any time he chose to fight Demitri seriously during that fight, does that mean his powers only climb when he's huge? I doubt it, not when your made of energy it doesn't.
Pyron doesn't have to be gigantic to utilise all of his power at the max, of course some things are not possible with size constraint, such as "Eating" a planet, but Speed is not a category that would be affected by his size, that sounds perfectly logical to me.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
First the J-Cell argument. Now, I understand how it works, but I have 3 things to querie about this, #1: someone already mentioned this, but how is Sephiroth going to control someone if he has been destroyed already?. #2: Can the Jenova Cells posess those that are undead? Demitri is a Vampire, A Demonic vampire to be sure, but a Vampire is still undead, technically an animated corpse. and #3: Can the Jenova Cells survive the Cosmic Fire that shields Demitri? Draning though Sephiroth may be, but this does not always equate to Demitri simply drinking the blood...
The next point I wish to address is the Lifestream and Sin Harvest arguments. I did read that, while the Liffestream applies to Sephiroth, and grants him his magical abilities, the same cannot be said for Demitri, who is, as stated before, Undead, Sephiroths powers over the Lifestrem, while potent, will not affect Demitri, the magical powers that Sephiroth uses that are powered might, but any attack that uses the Lifestream itself will not do a damn thing.
As for the Sin Harvest, Dudes, Demitri is a Hell creature, the power of their sins won't harm them since they are immune to punishments of sin, as they are from hell where sins are always punished. [/B]
Originally posted by Terryc250
Sephiroths willpower works outside of his body, meaning, he still process thoughts even though he has been reduced to nothing, he was disinigrated by the lifestream once, yet his concious was still lives on, not sure about this undead animated thing, but if j-cells become part of the being, sephiroth can take control over the host.
Conscious thought while in death? Sorry dude, but if Seph's soul is devoured by Demitri, he no longer has a conscious will, he becomes either a part of the demon, or a part of the void, it would work just the same if any other demon did it to him, because thats how demons feed.
Originally posted by Terryc250
The lifestream is the power source to everything on the planet, it is capable of creating beings, creating magic, everything, it is also capable of destroying matter, it can destroy the planet as well. Sephiroth has power over it.
And that means what to a hellspawn monster who has absolutely no connection to the Lifestream?
Remember, the Lifestream may cover Sephs world, but Demitri comes from "Another" plane of existance where the laws trhat govern it's existance are different. We cannot assume that the Lifestream is omnipresent across existance, and that in that sense gives him the edge over Demitri.
Originally posted by Terryc250
I dont know where ppl got this it attacks ur "Sins" or whatever, but heartless angel is an attack that brings opponents to the brink of death, no matter what your sins are.
Probably due to it's name.
And if your using Gameplay elements to guage a moves damage, (I'E the 9999 hp limit usually found in player characters across the entire FF series) then no, that doesn't apply here, Under that mentality, I can say that any move ever used is a death move, and on the flip side, I can simultaneously argue that it does about as much damage as someone throwing a small pebel against a car. In other words, don't judge an attack by the damage you see, but by what it does visually, and remember, alot of what you see in FF is hyperbole empowered by magic.