Demitri Pyron > Pyron >>>> Gaia and everything on it.
Is that simple.
Originally posted by Classic NES
Let's not forget that Dimitri can corrupt ones soul and turn them to his slave if he drinks their blood.
I just want to point out, that AC Sephiroth's body is 100% Jenova matter, and for that reason, he don't have blood, or organs, or bones.
His body is nothing more than a colony of viral cells... Like Jenova.
Originally posted by SHMI just want to point out, that AC Sephiroth's body is 100% Jenova matter, and for that reason, he don't have blood, or organs, or bones.
His body is nothing more than a colony of viral cells... Like Jenova.
Dmitri could possibly trans-mutate him with Midnight Bliss and change that.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Since when does Midnight bliss change what your made from, it just makes you female, it would just be a female looking Jenova Sephiroth, considering he already looks a completle girly man nothing wll prob happen 😆
You are just jealous because your Kain is horribly ugly. 😆
Originally posted by SHM
I just want to point out, that AC Sephiroth's body is 100% Jenova matter, and for that reason, he don't have blood, or organs, or bones.
His body is nothing more than a colony of viral cells... Like Jenova.
Well, it's kind of hard to determine that since Square Enix doesn't put gratuitous blood and dismembered body parts in the FF games ever...
Originally posted by SHM
You are just jealous because your Kain is horribly ugly. 😆
He doesnt look too bad for over 10k years old 😬 besides imo young kain looks much better than any sephiroth, especially when hes a girly man
but anyway its obvious who wins this one, Demitri=high everything in every stat and theres nothing Sephiroth can really use to his advantage
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Well, it's kind of hard to determine that since Square Enix doesn't put gratuitous blood and dismembered body parts in the FF games ever...
We see so many parts of Jenova's dismembered body in FFVII that is not even funny.
And about blood... We saw a lot of it in the Shinra building after Jenova/Sephiroth attacked the place, and in CC when Zack died. But we didn't saw it coming from Jenova, when Sephiroth cut her head off in Nibel, or when he throws parts of her body against you, in FFVII.
The Reunion is when all the J-cells reunite in a single place, forming Jenova's body(in FFVII, they formed Jenova Synthesis). That is possible, because Jenova is nothing more than a colony of viral cells. No blood, or organs, or bones.
Originally posted by Burning thought
but anyway its obvious who wins this one, Demitri=high everything in every stat and theres nothing Sephiroth can really use to his advantage
Demitri simply blows-up the planet.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Conscious thought while in death? Sorry dude, but if Seph's soul is devoured by Demitri, he no longer has a conscious will, he becomes either a part of the demon, or a part of the void, it would work just the same if any other demon did it to him, because thats how demons feed.
And that means what to a hellspawn monster who has absolutely no connection to the Lifestream?
Remember, the Lifestream may cover Sephs world, but Demitri comes from "Another" plane of existance where the laws trhat govern it's existance are different. We cannot assume that the Lifestream is omnipresent across existance, and that in that sense gives him the edge over Demitri.
Probably due to it's name.And if your using Gameplay elements to guage a moves damage, (I'E the 9999 hp limit usually found in player characters across the entire FF series) then no, that doesn't apply here, Under that mentality, I can say that any move ever used is a death move, and on the flip side, I can simultaneously argue that it does about as much damage as someone throwing a small pebel against a car. In other words, don't judge an attack by the damage you see, but by what it does visually, and remember, alot of what you see in FF is hyperbole empowered by magic. [/B]
Well the thing about Heartless Angel is it doesnt matter what ur HP is, it could be 100, or it could be 1 billion, there is no set damage, it just brings you to 1hp no matter what. But anyway, there is no real proof to really see how that move works, but it has worked the same in both FFVII and all the kingdom hearts
Originally posted by Classic NES
He absorbed a being who absorbed the energy of multiple planets. So, who knows, besides versus battles is just one big round of theory fighter.
Originally posted by SHM
We see so many parts of Jenova's dismembered body in FFVII that is not even funny.
And about blood... We saw a lot of it in the Shinra building after Jenova/Sephiroth attacked the place, and in CC when Zack died. But we didn't saw it coming from Jenova, when Sephiroth cut her head off in Nibel, or when he throws parts of her body against you, in FFVII.The Reunion is when all the J-cells reunite in a single place, forming Jenova's body(in FFVII, they formed Jenova Synthesis). That is possible, because Jenova is nothing more than a colony of viral cells. No blood, or organs, or bones.
I meant in general combat, when the player is fighting.
Originally posted by Terryc250
Well thats the hard thing, theres no such thing as "Soul" in the FF world, everything in FFVII works on lifestream, when you die, your body returns to the planet and merges with the lifestream, Sephiroths willpower is too powerful that he refuses to merge with the lifestream thus having a conscience outside of his body, but when his body disintegrated into the lifestream he infected it with J-cells, giving him power over it.
His Conscious will is in essence his soul, the part of him that remerges with the lifestream, sort of how a Transformers Spark rejoins the Matrix after it has been deactivated.
Originally posted by Terryc250
Makes no difference, lifestream can simply destroy matter like a destructive wave.
Under that premise, Sephiroth Would fall prey to a Chaos Fire...
Originally posted by Terryc250
Well that doesnt really make sense.. usually on KMC battles we assume everything keeps their powers from one existance to another, when we battle for example Living Tribunal vs Batman, we assume LT keeps his omnipotent powers, or another example would be Thanos w/ HOTU vs Superman, HOTU is a Marvel relic, but we assume it would work the same in DC Universe.
Thats called plot devicing a victory, it doesn't work that way, it only works if the threadstarter specifies it in the OP. Yes, we assume that everyone is at their best, but on the same token, we DON'T assume that a World specific power would work on a being from an entirely different reality (And I'm not just saying because they are from different companies), literally speaking, Demitri is from an alternate plane of existance, I'll give you an example:
Belial's Scalephoton could have blown Demitri into the FF7 universe, does that mean that Demitri is now attached to the Lifestream of FF7? Thats a very huge assumption.
Originally posted by Terryc250
Well the thing about Heartless Angel is it doesnt matter what ur HP is, it could be 100, or it could be 1 billion, there is no set damage, it just brings you to 1hp no matter what. But anyway, there is no real proof to really see how that move works, but it has worked the same in both FFVII and all the kingdom hearts
Actually, There is something very wrong with that logic, I have done moves that do 9998 hp damage before as well as 9999, on characters that have more hp than that, such as omega weapon, my argument is this, those moves are only instakills on player characters, are we to assume that a being as powerful as Demitri, should suffer becuse of Game Restriction? Short answer is no, because one games damage values differ from others, we cannot use pure gameplay mechanics to determine a techniquies worth, this is why Feats are used.
A perfect example would be Akuma's Shun Goku Satsu or Kongou Kokuretsu Zan, Both are instakillers in story, but are limited in the damage they do during the game, so do we; in these cases, use the gameplay values to determine the moves worth? Heck no.
Originally posted by Terryc250
[b]While the being was in human size, alot of Pyrons strength comes from his size, we all know there is no way Demitri could have beat the Planet Devouring Sized Pyron. [/B]
Unfortunately this is a misunderstanding... Pyron's size would not have affected the outcome of this, due to Demitri's magic, The only saving grace for Pyron's size in this case would have been reach, he could have stayed out of Demitri's range, but purely on size alone? it wouldn't have mattered.
His Conscious will is in essence his soul, the part of him that remerges with the lifestream, sort of how a Transformers Spark rejoins the Matrix after it has been deactivated.
Under that premise, Sephiroth Would fall prey to a Chaos Fire...
Thats called plot devicing a victory, it doesn't work that way, it only works if the threadstarter specifies it in the OP. Yes, we assume that everyone is at their best, but on the same token, we DON'T assume that a World specific power would work on a being from an entirely different reality (And I'm not just saying because they are from different companies), literally speaking, Demitri is from an alternate plane of existance, I'll give you an example:Belial's Scalephoton could have blown Demitri into the FF7 universe, does that mean that Demitri is now attached to the Lifestream of FF7? Thats a very huge assumption.
I know we cant really debate heartless angel because its only seen in gameplay, but its not like Shun Goku Satsu where it has a set damage, heartless angel doesn't even give you a damage number, it just brings you to 1hp.
Actually, There is something very wrong with that logic, I have done moves that do 9998 hp damage before as well as 9999, on characters that have more hp than that, such as omega weapon, my argument is this, those moves are only instakills on player characters, are we to assume that a being as powerful as Demitri, should suffer becuse of Game Restriction? Short answer is no, because one games damage values differ from others, we cannot use pure gameplay mechanics to determine a techniquies worth, this is why Feats are used.A perfect example would be Akuma's Shun Goku Satsu or Kongou Kokuretsu Zan, Both are instakillers in story, but are limited in the damage they do during the game, so do we; in these cases, use the gameplay values to determine the moves worth? Heck no.
Unfortunately this is a misunderstanding... Pyron's size would not have affected the outcome of this, due to Demitri's magic, The only saving grace for Pyron's size in this case would have been reach, he could have stayed out of Demitri's range, but purely on size alone? it wouldn't have mattered.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero1. ...Didn't that only happen in the OVA?
Raptor, Sasquach, Rikuou (However thats spelled... 😛 ), Bishamon, Numerous Hutzils that turned on him, Victor, innumerable humans he killed with minisuns... ect, ect...As for the speed thing, remember, he deliberately weakened himself, do we automatically assume he cant do it in that form because he chose not to? I'm sorry, but I think in this case, it's not the fact that he can't do it, but simply chose not to. If at any time he chose to fight Demitri seriously during that fight, does that mean his powers only climb when he's huge? I doubt it, not when your made of energy it doesn't.
Pyron doesn't have to be gigantic to utilise all of his power at the max, of course some things are not possible with size constraint, such as "Eating" a planet, but Speed is not a category that would be affected by his size, that sounds perfectly logical to me.
2. He weakened his body to a mortal form, he wasn't just holding back like Vegeta, he literally semi-permanently weakened his own powers.
3. I agree, Pyron does not have to be giant to be at full power.
Originally posted by Terryc250
He has merged with the lifestream before.. but still operated and planned what he wanted to do, taking over the lifestream and plotting whatever he wanted to do.
Then he is more akin to Starscream who has an indestructable spark that cannot be extinguished, but that doesn't change my point, it can still be 'Consumed'.
Originally posted by Terryc250
I dont know what a chaos fire is..
Chaos Fire is Demitri's projectile attack, basically he either flings a huge back made of magic surrounded by Hellfire, or he powers up a huge blast of direct Hellfire.
Originally posted by Terryc250
Actually we do assume that things retain their powers when they battle on neutral grounds, when you see threads of the relic Heart of the universe, or the infinity gaunlet you dont see the thread creators saying "IG retains its powers, HOTU retains its powers, etc" we just assume they do, what difference does it make if demitri is attached to the lfiestream or not? It makes no difference, Lifestream still retains its powers, and so does Demitri, lifestream can be a force of destruction, it can disintegrate just about anything it comes in contact with.
I didn't say that Sephiroths power is eliminated, I simply stated that Demitri's non-connection to it would lessen or elimitate it's effectivenenss on him, however, if it can attack things not attached to it, then thats another kettle of fish entirely.
Originally posted by Terryc250
I know we cant really debate heartless angel because its only seen in gameplay, but its not like Shun Goku Satsu where it has a set damage, heartless angel doesn't even give you a damage number, it just brings you to 1hp.
Not so, In the game, Shun Goku Satsu can (And frequently does) vairiable damage.
Originally posted by Terryc250
Sure it would, Pyrons size can be as large as a supersized sun, if thats the case, then he can simply destroy the planet with his finger instantly, can Demitri survive a planet explosion?
Yes he can, the fact that he survive being ripped through dimensions by Belial's Scalephoton proves this
Originally posted by Terryc250
When did he take Belials blast?
Before the 1st Night Warriors game, it's part of his background story.
Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
1. ...Didn't that only happen in the OVA?
No... Why do you think Demitri stepped up to take him out?
Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
2. He weakened his body to a mortal form, he wasn't just holding back like Vegeta, he literally semi-permanently weakened his own powers.
Yes I know that, but his ability to switch his powers instantly means that this is irrelevant.