Where was God on 9/11?

Originally posted by Bardock42
Elaborate.

Perhaps a circle is not the best way to put it, but her is something that says it better then I:

The idea known as the anthropic principle states that human existence is possible only if fundamental constants such as the speed of light or the strength of gravity are not higher or lower than what is observed.
Scientists who support anthropic reasoning suggest they can understand fundamental properties of the universe by determining what conditions intelligent beings such as humans need to exist. For instance, if gravity was too strong, black holes would form too often and suck up all matter before humans could evolve on Earth, but if gravity was too weak, it could not attract matter to form stars or planets.

http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/061204_mm_anthropic_debate.html

We are here because if the universe was any other way, we would not be here.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Perhaps a circle is not the best way to put it, but her is something that says it better then I:

http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/061204_mm_anthropic_debate.html

We are here because if the universe was any other way, we would not be here.

It is rather trivial. In fact I paraphrased it a few times in our debate. It is not an answer to why we are here, nor does it try to be.

Originally posted by Bardock42
I know the Anthropic principle. It doesn't state why we are here. It state that to be here the constants that make our existence possible have to exist.

It is rather trivial. In fact I paraphrased it a few times in our debate. It is not an answer to why we are here, nor does it try to be.

I never said it was an answer to why. 🙄 I was trying to tell you what I meant by "because".

We are here because if the universe was any other way, we would not be here.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I never said it was an answer to why. 🙄 I was trying to tell you what I meant by "because".

[B]We are here because if the universe was any other way, we would not be here. [/B]

Our whole debate was cause by you saying to lord xyz that an easier answer to "Why are we here?" is "We are here". You seem to have dropped that silly notion now, so that's alright with me, though I'd prefer if you'd admit it instead of dodge out of it.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Trivial. Also, that is not the reason (why) we are here. It is a prerequisite. We don't know why we are here, but to be here the circumstances for us to be here must have been there.

Our whole debate was cause by you saying to lord xyz that an easier answer to "Why are we here?" is "We are here". You seem to have dropped that silly notion now, so that's alright with me, though I'd prefer if you'd admit it instead of dodge out of it.

It was an Anthropic answer to a friend of mine, who seems to not have a problem with it. Now go away...

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
It was an Anthropic answer to a friend of mine, who seems to not have a problem with it. Now go away...

Originally posted by Bardock42
Why should I go away when you talk nonsense? I think it is quite alright for me to point that out.

I'm just tired of this topic. We are now getting into word picking (who said what and so fourth).

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I'm just tired of this topic. We are now getting into word picking (who said what and so fourth).

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I'm just tired of this topic. We are now getting into word picking (who said what and so fourth).

this topic is RETARDED. not even the dancing banana 💃 wants to participate

Originally posted by chickenlover98
this topic is RETARDED. not even the dancing banana 💃 wants to participate

Poor banana. 🙁

Originally posted by ushomefree
On September 11, 2001, God was exactly where He always is – in Heaven in total control of everything that happens in the universe. Why, then, would a good and loving God allow such a tragedy to happen? This is a more difficult question to answer. First, we must remember, “For as the heavens are higher than the earth, So are My ways higher than your ways, And My thoughts than your thoughts” (Isaiah 55:9). It is impossible for finite human beings to understand the ways of an infinite God (Romans 11:33-35). Second, we must realize that God is not responsible for the wicked acts of evil men. The Bible tells us that humanity is desperately wicked and sinful (Romans 3:10-18, 23). God allows human beings to commit sin for His own reasons and to fulfill His own purposes. Sometimes we think we understand why God is doing something, only to find out later that it was for a different purpose than we originally thought.

God looks at things from an eternal perspective. We look at things from an earthly perspective. Why did God put man on earth, knowing that Adam and Eve would sin and therefore bring evil, death, and suffering on all mankind? Why didn’t He just create us all and leave us in Heaven where we would be perfect and without suffering? It must be remembered that the purpose for all creation and all creatures is to glorify God. God is glorified when His nature and attributes are on display. If there were no sin, God would have no opportunity to display His justice and wrath as He punishes sin. Nor would He have the opportunity to show His grace, His mercy, and His love to undeserving creatures. The ultimate display of God’s grace was at the Cross where Jesus died for our sins. Here was unselfishness and obedience displayed in His Son who knew no sin but was “made sin for us that we might become the righteousness of God in Him” (2 Corinthians 5:21). This was all to the “praise of His glory” (Ephesians 1:14).

When thinking of September 11, we tend to forget the thousands of miracles that occurred on that day. Hundreds of people were able to flee the buildings just in the nick of time. A small handful of firemen and one civilian survived in a tiny space in a stairwell as the one of the towers collapsed around them. The passengers on Flight 93 defeating the terrorists was a miracle in and of itself. Yes, September 11 was a terrible day. Sin reared its ugly head and caused great devastation. However, God is still in control. His sovereignty is never to be doubted. Could God have prevented what happened on September 11? Of course He could, but He chose to allow the events to unfold exactly as they did. He prevented that day from being as bad as it could have been. Since September 11, how many lives have been changed for the better? How many people have placed their faith in Christ for salvation as a result of what happened? The words of Romans 8:28 should always be in our minds when we think of 9-11, “And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, and are called according to His purpose.”

www.gotquestions.org/9-11.html

'Tis true. You know, bad things happen. That's the life we are cursed with as we have all rebelled against God. All disease, strife, pain, all of it is a by-product of choosing our way instead of God's way. Which, in all honesty is like driving around an un-familiar landscape and not listening to the person with the map, but saying "Hey, I know where I'm going." then you get hopelessly lost.

Originally posted by LORD JLRTENJAC
'Tis true. You know, bad things happen. That's the life we are cursed with as we have all rebelled against God. All disease, strife, pain, all of it is a by-product of choosing our way instead of God's way. Which, in all honesty is like driving around an un-familiar landscape and not listening to the person with the map, but saying "Hey, I know where I'm going." then you get hopelessly lost.

Boy, I feel sorry for you. This is heaven, but you will never see it because of what you believe.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Boy, I feel sorry for you. This is heaven, but you will never see it because of what you believe.

earth is not heaven. if anything biblical pertains, its hell. there is suffering here, way to much for this to be a great place. sure there are escapes, like money and shit, but eventually pretty much everyone gets ****ed over.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Boy, I feel sorry for you. This is heaven, but you will never see it because of what you believe.

Man, if this is heaven... I am highly dissappointed. Though this isn't Hell either... It's sorta in the middle... between the two... there's Good and Evil here... Suffering and Joy... Work and Recreation... Nintendo and Sony...

In and of itself this life, this reality we live in, already contains all the goodness and all the reasons for hope that we humans need. There is wonder and excitement and glorious moments of triumph when one overcomes disabilities and setbacks to achieve an important aim in life. The good afterlife is already a real possibility here, in this life. Many among us are so busy in arguing about these matters that we miss most, if not all of the heaven that we may experience here, in this life.

Thus is what you believe. And, I can tell that you may be a glass half full kinda person. You look at the good of life here, and I respect that, I truly do. But I have come to try to look beyond this life, because, nomatter how you look at it. It's temporary. The blink of an eye, and it could end. What happens to here, truly doesn't matter, because no matter what, your life here will end. And I believe that you will go to one of two places. Heaven or Hell. In the end, Your Glass will either be full... or completely empty. It is your choice, which glass you get.l

People have always wondered if anything lies beyond the grave. We don' t know, we can' t know and we can only wonder. However, in the end, we do not have any rational and reasonable basis for the belief in an afterlife.

Does the fact that every moment ends mean that it was worthless and meaningless to experience and enjoy that moment? Not at all. It is precisely the temporary nature of things like life which allows them to have value. Why would it be unacceptable to think that life on earth effectively is all that we have?

Originally posted by LORD JLRTENJAC
Thus is what you believe. And, I can tell that you may be a glass half full kinda person. You look at the good of life here, and I respect that, I truly do. But I have come to try to look beyond this life, because, nomatter how you look at it. It's temporary. The blink of an eye, and it could end. What happens to here, truly doesn't matter, because no matter what, your life here will end. And I believe that you will go to one of two places. Heaven or Hell. In the end, Your Glass will either be full... or completely empty. It is your choice, which glass you get.l

Originally posted by Storm
In and of itself this life, this reality we live in, already contains all the goodness and all the reasons for hope that we humans need. There is wonder and excitement and glorious moments of triumph when one overcomes disabilities and setbacks to achieve an important aim in life. The good afterlife is already a real possibility here, in this life. Many among us are so busy in arguing about these matters that we miss most, if not all of the heaven that we may experience here, in this life.

Well said, by both of you.

Originally posted by BobbyD
He didn't "allow" it to happen. It happened because we (man) exercised the greatest gift of all from God..........free will.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it. 😉

Not to be redundant, but this is the reason why 9/11 happened.

..am not trying to start any holy wars either, especially with you, Shaky! 😛

Originally posted by Storm
People have always wondered if anything lies beyond the grave. We don' t know, we can' t know and we can only wonder. However, in the end, we do not have any rational and reasonable basis for the belief in an afterlife.

Does the fact that every moment ends mean that it was worthless and meaningless to experience and enjoy that moment? Not at all. It is precisely the temporary nature of things like life which allows them to have value. Why would it be unacceptable to think that life on earth effectively is all that we have?

I can't believe that all of this, all of creation, was a chance occourance. It's unrealistic. The odds of it's ever happening properly are... Astronomical. And then continuing to exist, for as long as it has is even greater. It's unrealistic to think that this is all that we have, just like it's unrealistic to think that we are alone in the universe. Why do humans so easily believe that the universe was created by a chance occourance, but we don't believe that if we randomly throw a bouncy ball that it will stop in the exact spot that we want it to?