Re: Re: Re: Re: Where was God on 9/11?
Originally posted by LORD JLRTENJAC
Man, if this is heaven... I am highly dissappointed. Though this isn't Hell either... It's sorta in the middle... between the two... there's Good and Evil here... Suffering and Joy... Work and Recreation... Nintendo and Sony...
This is ten different world. Heaven and Hell are just two of them.
Originally posted by LORD JLRTENJAC
Ok, just out of curiosity, What religion are you a part of?
I am a Nichiren Buddhist.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I am a Nichiren Buddhist.
^ Ah, that explains why I didn't recognise it. I shall certainly be looking into this in order to more fully understand what it is that you believe.
Originally posted by LORD JLRTENJAC
Southern Baptist... But that's really just because that's what church I go to, I don't really hold to the Southern Baptist Convention at all. I go by what the Bible says, and there are things in any denomination that aren't entirely biblical. I just try to live like Jesus.
"I just try to live like Jesus". REALLY NOW...when can i nail u up on the cross. jk 😛
but you realize following the bible literally is rediculus right?
Originally posted by LORD JLRTENJAC
I can't believe that all of this, all of creation, was a chance occourance. It's unrealistic. The odds of it's ever happening properly are... Astronomical. And then continuing to exist, for as long as it has is even greater. It's unrealistic to think that this is all that we have, just like it's unrealistic to think that we are alone in the universe. Why do humans so easily believe that the universe was created by a chance occourance, but we don't believe that if we randomly throw a bouncy ball that it will stop in the exact spot that we want it to?
Originally posted by LORD JLRTENJAC
Why? I'm not saying I can be perfect at it, but what's the harm in trying? If more Christians followed the bible closer people would probably view Christians much beter than they do.
The scriptures are reflections of the culture in which they were written. There isn' t any consistent, coherent standard according to which you can judge certain passages as still applicable to our contemporary society.
Originally posted by Storm
It is as realistic or unrealistic as the creation story. Who made God? If the universe is too complex not to have been designed, then God is also too complex not to have been designed. God has never been portrayed as something simpler than the universe. If this god is at least as complex as the universe, then it needs a designer and creator at least as much as the universe.
The literalist approach is by no means the only or best approach for most of the Bible.
That is a good point, I must think on this subject for a while. Though I doubt that I will be able to find an answer that is concievable to the limited reasoning of the human mind. And that's why it is called faith. It's just by what I know of science, I have as of yet to see how the universe just sorta happened. (Though I continue to study that aspect.)
Originally posted by Storm
The scriptures are reflections of the culture in which they were written. There isn't any consistent, coherent standard according to which you can judge certain passages as still applicable to our contemporary society.
Though the world may change, God doesn't. Instead of conforming myself to the limited ways of this world, I strive for the ways of God.Also, I don't EVERYTHING in the bible LITTERALLY, but I do take the rules sent by God to the humans, and the Message of Jesus Christ very SERIOUSLY. There are parts of the bible that were poorly translated (A word here and there) and Jesus told several ficticous stories in order to get a point across.
Originally posted by LORD JLRTENJACFirst he decided he wanted to make the world perfect for humans, then he threw them out because of their predictable actions, then he intervened in the world openly for thousands of years and then decided to stop that after he brought his son in.
Has he truely? Explain, please.
He certainly behaves differently throughout the bible. It's not conform to one mindset at all.
But, have you considered that he just might have thought through all of this?
He created humanity, He knew we were going to screw up. He gave us the choice to screw up. There is no way we couldn't have screwed up. So he put into work the plan of salvation. So that we still had a chance to recover after we screw up.
Well, we screwed up. We had to be punished, it was the only just thing to do. As far as intervening openly, well in truth that was few and far between. The only times he interviened openly was when he had to, and even then, it was through a human. As far as sending his son, that had been prophecised far in advance by the prophet Isaiah. God just had to wait untill the right time... aka the time of the Roman Empire, under the rule of Caesar Agustus. A time when the majority of the known world was connected and the message of Jesus could spread to all of humanity so that we all have the choice of redemption.
Originally posted by LORD JLRTENJACYes, he might have all set it out from the start. But he still changed his behaviour. What are you supposed to follow? It's not like the bible is absolutely consistent either.
But, have you considered that he just might have thought through all of this?He created humanity, He knew we were going to screw up. He gave us the choice to screw up. There is no way we couldn't have screwed up. So he put into work the plan of salvation. So that we still had a chance to recover after we screw up.
Well, we screwed up. We had to be punished, it was the only just thing to do. As far as intervening openly, well in truth that was few and far between. The only times he interviened openly was when he had to, and even then, it was through a human. As far as sending his son, that had been prophecised far in advance by the prophet Isaiah. God just had to wait untill the right time... aka the time of the Roman Empire, under the rule of Caesar Agustus. A time when the majority of the known world was connected and the message of Jesus could spread to all of humanity so that we all have the choice of redemption.
Besides, we screwed up for eating a fruit. A fruit he put there in the first place. A fruit that only just gave us the understanding of that is right and wrong. I would say God is the dick in the Garden of Eden story.
And the only intervened through a human is not accurate I know at least of three instances where he intervened directly or through so called angels.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Yes, he might have all set it out from the start. But he still changed his behaviour. What are you supposed to follow? It's not like the bible is absolutely consistent either.Besides, we screwed up for eating a fruit. A fruit he put there in the first place. A fruit that only just gave us the understanding of that is right and wrong. I would say God is the dick in the Garden of Eden story.
And the only intervened through a human is not accurate I know at least of three instances where he intervened directly or through so called angels.
How much of the Bible have you read Bardock42? What makes you such an expert.
It wasn't the act of eating the fruit which is what God was punishing Adam and Eve for. It was the fact that he gave them 1 rule: Don't eat of the tree, and they disobeyed. Why God didn't want them to eat the fruit is unknown, but God had a reason.
Name the three incedences. I can think of 2... but that was an angels bringing news to specific humans both time.
Originally posted by LORD JLRTENJAC
How much of the Bible have you read Bardock42? What makes you such an expert.It wasn't the act of eating the fruit which is what God was punishing Adam and Eve for. It was the fact that he gave them 1 rule: Don't eat of the tree, and they disobeyed. Why God didn't want them to eat the fruit is unknown, but God had a reason.
Name the three incedences. I can think of 2... but that was an angels bringing news to specific humans both time.
you realize human nature is curiosity. when someone tells u not to do something, what do you do? you do it of course. god KNEW that. how could he have not have? so god intentionally shows humans what they cant have for like what 6 months, then says hahaha **** you guys you have to suffer, because im a douche bag. GREAT god ur following
Originally posted by LORD JLRTENJAC
How much of the Bible have you read Bardock42? What makes you such an expert.It wasn't the act of eating the fruit which is what God was punishing Adam and Eve for. It was the fact that he gave them 1 rule: Don't eat of the tree, and they disobeyed. Why God didn't want them to eat the fruit is unknown, but God had a reason.
Name the three incedences. I can think of 2... but that was an angels bringing news to specific humans both time.
It's also unknown whether God has a reason. By most of todays standards it is likely to say he is just a major dick.
Impregnating Mary, destroying Sodom and Gomorrah, Wrestling with David.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Besides, we screwed up for eating a fruit. A fruit he put there in the first place. A fruit that only just gave us the understanding of that is right and wrong.
You say that like it's a negative thing. Screwing up...isn't that one of the best learning tools possible? Would you rather remain in the spirit form for an eternity...being lectured by God about obedience without the chance to try it out? I personally like the idea of messing up, learning, and eventually going to heaven to learn more.