Originally posted by Burning thought
good goodi can sum up everything you said in a few fairly small paragraphs
first its mostly all rubbish, half of what you said killed your own argument, as you said
No proof that it's "invulnerable."
yes there is
in LOK the shield makes kain undamagable by all kinds of attacks
repel its called
Non sequitur, logical fallacy.
Being "undamagable by all kinds of attacks" doesn't make it "invulnerable."
Where exactly is that said? Not in the rules I read, and if it is, then the rules are dumb, since this wouldn't be much of a thread if Kain is invulnerable.powers and abilities work the same as they do in a unvierse, as they do in the unvierse it comes from, since its stated Kains shield is invulerable to attack, then as soon as its up, kain has won,
How is what I'm arguing changing the way the armour works? My argument has the armour still be resistant to as much damage in the exact same way, so I really don't see how it's changing the way it works. What I'm saying is that a high level of damage resistance that is completely infallible in one universe doesn't have to be infallible in another. To claim that the armour would be invulnerable in a setting where mid tiers can dish out power that is beyond anything in the universe where it's stated to be 'invulnerable' is a completely unsupported and asinine assumption.
unfortunatley, your way of debating is broken
My way of debating is broken? That makes no sense, and please, the moment you stop committing an abundance of logical fallacies (which is essentially what bad debating is) is the moment where you can talk about 'broken' debating.
because you make up assumptions and bad debating logic of "because its not in the same unvierse, its going to be diffrent"
No, I never said that it would definitely be different in the MK setting, I said that there's no way of knowing whether it would be or wouldn't, and that assuming that it would be is what Occam's Razor would dictate in debate.
that would imply the rules of the game will not apply,
As already explained, no.
How is what I'm arguing changing the way the armour works? My argument has the armour still be resistant to as much damage in the exact same way, so I really don't see how it's changing the way it works. What I'm saying is that a high level of damage resistance that is completely infallible in one universe doesn't have to be infallible in another. To claim that the armour would be invulnerable in a setting where mid tiers can dish out power that is beyond [b]anything[/i] in the universe where it's stated to be 'invulnerable' is a completely unsupported assumption.
then were making up our own rules as it goes along for the characters,
Please point out where "we" did such a thing.
i go by what the game says,
...and apply it when the canon of the game crosses over with that of another like a moron.
and yes your correct, this is not much of a thread...
When working under your absurd logic, of course.
Well that would simply be retarded, given nothing would suggest that the properties of the power would differ in another setting.impaled your own argument again,
"Impaled?" That didn't sound slick the first time, and guess what buddy? It still doesn't.
didnt you say earlier that in MK setting the shield would be diffrent?
No, not that it would be inherently different, but that it's relative level of damage resistant would most likely be different.
that it may not be as strong? thats the entire properties of the shield that makes the user invulerable......thats what it does, in the game it has no health bar, like shields usually do, its the rules of the shield, they wont change as you said as it moves through diffrent settings
No, the nature of the shield is that it has an incredibly high defence, that just so happens to be infallible within the LoK setting. The inherent properties are not that it would be automatically invulnerable under any possible circumstance, a crossover into another piece of canon to name one.
Right. At the end of the day, the statement is still only definitive for the LoK universe. Can I say that it definitely, without a doubt, wouldn't be invulnerable in the Mk universe? Of course not, but you certainly can't definitely say the opposite, and given that MK mid tiers can dish out power far beyond what the best of people in LoK can, I'm having serious trouble thinking that the armour would be invulnerable when taking into account a universe like that of MK. Either way, Occam's Razor would dictate that my stance was the correct open, ergo, it's the only logical one to take in this debate.more sillyness 🙄 newbs lol
What, does the term "Occam's Razor" confuse you, or something? Thought so.
at the end of the day the statement is the rule of the spell, its not going to change because you think someone in MK is too powerful for it,
More foolishness.
No, the nature of the shield is that it has an incredibly high defence, that just so happens to be infallible within the LoK setting. The inherent properties are not that it would be automatically invulnerable under any possible circumstance, a crossover into another piece of canon to name one.
unless you can show me stopping an armor equel to it, then your at a fallacy,
Another burden of proof fallacy, not to mention your request is equally as asinine. Stopping an armour? You mean breaking through "an" armour? Either way, your request is moronic given it's not exactly possible to compare exactly how the durability of the armour compares from one game to another, not to mention that the Mortal Kombatants don't have to display supreme armour breakage for it to be logically argued that they can.
because its just your opinion VS the rule of the armor, which ofc you lose....so no your assumption is broken
This doesn't even merit a response.
so simply put in the end, your whole argument is that because its a diffrent setting and because in your opinion MK is so much more powerful
It's an opinion held by anyone and everyone who's played both games and actually has a brain. Having mid-tiers being able to summon black holes (which alone is beyond any display of power in the LoK canon) and the only logical deduction that one could make is that the relative level of power in MK Kanon >>>>>>>>> the relative level of power in LoK canon.
it has to change the rules of the armor set in stone? lawls
Don't be ridiculous. It doesn't change anything about the armour except its relative level of durability, which would always be variable when crossed over into another setting.
also you keep impaling your argument further
As do you with each of your posts whenever you use such lingo.
your whole argument is made up of assumptions, you keep saying "maybe scoprion" did this, "maybe" he did that, "maybe" he wasnt effected by time powers, well maybe you shouldnt assume, thats a void argument, your making it up as you go along,
The only time I've done that, I've analysed every possibility, and explained how my argument still remains no matter which one is correct. Ergo, your counter, as usual, is worthless. Try again.
no i dont have knowledge on mortal kombat,
Which is why you're here, debating in an thread involving one of the game's characters? To quote one of the lamest and apparently most homosexual guys I've ever spoken to, "lawls."
show me what scoprion has done,
You've been told countless times. He was essentially able to own Onaga and his henchmen with ease. The same Onaga, or rather, a weaker Onaga, who was virtually invulnerable to the combined powers of Quan Chi, Shang Tsung, and Raiden. The same Quan Chi who Noob Saibot was the minion of, and who essentially order the ninja wraith around.
CotEG Scorpion is so ridiculously above Noob Saibot (the guy who can summon black holes, and who alone would be able to effortlessly annihilate Young Kain) that it's not actually funny.
all we know is that he beat these guys ime guessing considering even you are guessing at what happened in the fight.....well no thats not how it works, guessing at how he beat the guy isnt a debate
I'm not "guessing" anything. We know that the fight ended with Scorpion slicing the Dragon King in half. We know that he did this effortlessly. We know that the Dragon King was surrounded by his henchmen, who Scorpion had to defeat first. We know that with his powers enhanced by the Elder Gods, he was the only one with the power to do so.
Do I know the exact circumstances around the fight? Nope, of course not, I wasn't there, but by your logic, because we don't, we're somehow supposed to discount the entire fight.
which why you fail 😉 but again, no cigar, maybe ull get one tomorrow
Some advice: recycle the one liners that actually sound good, rather than the one liners that have been said hundreds of times before you by equally as lame people.