Originally posted by Burning thoughtObviously, Scorpion could do a rain dance.
what lol?ive never heard of Scoprion even making it rain, when has he dont this, a flood? lol......the original setting is the Netherealm with fire, so the likelyness of being a flood is probably zero
it would at most make kain feel some pain thats for sure, but the time it would have to take to make a flood, kain could easily defeat Scorp
Kain would probably get washed away in the torrent.
Originally posted by Furion
I wouldn't matter if Kain is invulnerable or not, Kain wouldn't be able to get out. Mist would be mentally retarded and anyways prove Kain is Invulnerable to MOLTEN LAVA! As in touch it and you disintegrate.
i dont know about immune, i cant imagine Scorp even getting kain in the lava but kain has felt the fires of hell itself as well, so the lava isnt likely to melt him like it would a human, he seems far far more resistent to heat, and he could mist anyway like in any situation he may be in danger, or he would just reform elseware, remember he cant die, melting him away wouldnt work in that case, Scorp would have to try and not allow kain to come near to the probability of dieing otherwise kain would simply burst and reform or some other way of reforming, bats may be a good example as well
Originally posted by Burning thought
i dont know about immune, i cant imagine Scorp even getting kain in the lava but kain has felt the fires of hell itself as well, so the lava isnt likely to melt him like it would a human, he seems far far more resistent to heat, and he could mist anyway like in any situation he may be in danger, or he would just reform elseware, remember he cant die, melting him away wouldnt work in that case, Scorp would have to try and not allow kain to come near to the probability of dieing otherwise kain would simply burst and reform or some other way of reforming, bats may be a good example as well
Scorpion rain-dances FTW.
Why can't Kain die? Does that have something to do with his destiny or whatever?
Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Scorpion rain-dances FTW.Why can't Kain die? Does that have something to do with his destiny or whatever?
lol
and yes sorta, the scion of balance simply cannot die for some reason no matter what happens, even the source of his excistence, the heart of darkness was ripped out and he lived, but apprently he just cant die, he even says the reaver is hte only weapon that can kill him, unfortunatley that turned out to be false because they were both under the illusion they were created to fight eachother and Raziels reaver blade win, yet this was not true, Raziel was both the champions somehow, and Kain was the Scion ,so simply, kain just cant die
Originally posted by Furion
Ok i have had enough of this cheap ass "reforming". From now on in my threads if Kain has to reform he loses. That should atleast make it fair. Kain goes mist in a place where Scorpion could simply hellfire it. LMFAO
lol okie, but how would hellfireing mist do anything? i mean you can see kain mist, he is still physical and material at the same time, and since he is in hell, it would be even more to kains advantage because he could spring forth frm the mist, because the smoke of hell will enshroud him, Scorpion wouldnt even know where kain was...it wold be brilliant for kain
Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
I thought the Scion of Balance was a girl.
hehe no lol, theres only ever been one scion of balance which is kain, the women Ariel is the Guardian of balance which is diffrent, shes the old guardian of balance, Kain is the new Guardian of balance who controls magic of Nosgoth, hes like a fountain of magic energy within him, but he is also the Scion of balance
Originally posted by Furion
no smoke in hell. You need little oxygen for smoke and apparently lots of oxygen.
(must have a HUGE greenery somewhere.)
the mist would turn to nothing. It would dissolve as the fire would eat it.
since when did fire eat mist? all fire can do is turn water to steam but it wouldnt turn kains mist into nothing, nothing turns something into nothing, theres always a process, kains mist is not even normal mist, for example he doesnt get blown around as his mist form, its still kain only hes become intangible
Originally posted by Burning thoughtI thought a guardian and a scion were the same thing. 😑
hehe no lol, theres only ever been one scion of balance which is kain, the women Ariel is the Guardian of balance which is diffrent, shes the old guardian of balance, Kain is the new Guardian of balance who controls magic of Nosgoth, hes like a fountain of magic energy within him, but he is also the Scion of balance
Originally posted by Burning thoughtIt would turn him into a superheated gas, and he would rise from the netherrealm.
since when did fire eat mist? all fire can do is turn water to steam but it wouldnt turn kains mist into nothing, nothing turns something into nothing, theres always a process, kains mist is not even normal mist, for example he doesnt get blown around as his mist form, its still kain only hes become intangible
BFR! 😱
Scorpion wins!
Originally posted by Furion
If it gets hot enough, there will be no moisture in the air.
then kain will simply be in Gas form or air form instead of Mist, but this is irrelevent because Kain doesnt really need to use mist form to stop Scorpion
Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
I thought a guardian and a scion were the same thing. 😑
no, obviously not in the LOK universe, their very diffrent
Originally posted by Furion
Anyways newplan: Hellfire punch then kick into the air then grabs Kain and they both go into lava. Scorp then Kunai's out of there.
lol
in the time it takes for him to do all this, ime pretty sure kain could easily move his hand a little for a shield, it doesnt take much time if any for the shield, infact ime trying to remember if kain even moves his hands to activate the shield, i thought his eyes just went a diffrent color, i cant remember, i wonder how madmel remembers it, ime interested, or maybe it just came on as soon as kain wanted it on....
either way its damn quick, Scorp would have to be 10x faster than kain to do all that in the time you think he can do it before a shield comes up, kain is still imo faster than Scoprion at base, ive not seen speed from scorp, and this teleport and punch seems very flawed when theres a fast moving target who may end up dodging the teleport, then Scorpion fails
Originally posted by Burning thought
hahaha, well first rule, number one, this is a thread with Kain in it, which means ime going to win anyway, so in games VS, dont try it 😛 but ime joking, if nobody tried id get bored but seriously:kain would be a nobody? how so?
Because his power levels aren't even coming close to someone who's not even top tier within the MK universe.
please tell me, does Onaga have a soul? anyone who knows Kain knows what i would say next if Onaga does hehe......
Right, because by your logic, Shang Tsung should have had no problem whatsoever with consuming Onaga's soul. That's the same Shang Tsung who's powers were completely useless against the outnumbered Onaga, for the record. So clearly Onaga isn't completely defenceless against such an attack.
But, great job listing random abilities without supplying context! 👆
wow thats impressive, burning skulls you say? Kains going ot be running for his life, with a hand gesture kain can make the very body of his victim explode in fire 😐
Burning skulls which were capable of delaying Taven - a supremely powerful individual, who could freeze time and move at the speed of light - in combat, and that was the weaker Scorpion as mentioned.
simply because he is one of the strongest in the Mythos does not mean anything,
It does when the setting is as superior to that of LoK as the MK verse is.
also freezing time, summoning blackholes, did the characters try this on Onaga in canon?
It doesn't matter, as it's canonically stated that Scorpion was the only being powerful enough to defeat Onaga in that state. Noob Saibot doesn't have to be flinging black holes at him for us to know that it would be ineffective. Taven is exempt, though, given he was in stasis at the time.
also what did Scorpion do to win?
He proceeded to whoop his ass through his superior combat prowess.
Kain can, Kain can also freeze beings in time,
Only by hitting them with a projectile; Taven can simply freeze time around him by willing it.
create invulerable shields and etc etc
In the setting...
no its not exclusive to its setting, he would one hit scorpion because A, hes a spectre without even a soul to protect him, he would be the reavers with a slash, but a normal physical being would be blasted to pieces by the soul energies of the reaver, just like it does to a human, one hit on Scorpion
Right, you've blabbered on for an entire paragraph but you have still yet to prove that the instakill factor of the sword would apply to beings from a superior setting.
unless you can prove he has uber durability
Burden of proof fallacy.
He was able to curbstomp Onaga, a being with serious durability even in his weaker state (without Shinnok's amulet). Being able to compete with the likes of Onaga, or rather outclass the likes of Onaga, suggests an extremely high level of inner power, which is transferable through all aspects of physical prowess.
and Scoprions going to be harmed bad even if without being human. Logically ownt be able to land a hit, Kain is faster than any human on a basis,
ROFL!! Wow, he's faster than a regular being? Oh man, I sure am impressed, I mean being faster than a regular being totally compares to being able to compete with individuals that can move at the fricking speed of light... 🙄
once he gains powers of telekinesis he could hold Scorpion so hitting him wont be a problem,
By this logic the low tier Kenshi would be able to prevent Scorpion from defeating him... Being a top tier fighter within a realm with numerous combatants that can utilise TK would suggest that Scorpion either has a defence for it, or can nullify the advantages that it provides through astonishing speed or teleportation or other such abilities.
Either way, as an ability for Kain alone, it's completely worthless in this scenario.
further more Kain can jump great distances and quickly,
Right, and Onaga was able to do that too, on top of something even better: fly, yet that didn't stop Scorpion from owning his ass.
turn into mist
Which, as a power, only remains active for an extremely small amount of time: time which Scorpion can simply sit back and wait, and then proceed to own his ass as soon as Kain goes back to his corporeal form.
or more importantly cannot die anyway,
Please. Since when was an actual kill an absolute condition for victory these versus threads? Surely you can see that there would be no real purpose for this thread if that really were the case. By your logic, Raiden can't lose in these threads either since rather than dying, his energies would just reform in some other place. Don't be ridiculous, a KO is as good as a defeat in this circumstance.
he can also call lighnting to destroy his enemies as well as damage the minds of foes.
Right, and as abilities alone, are completely worthless against someone with Scorpion's level of ability. If they weren't, Scorpion wouldn't hold the position that he does in the Mortal Kombat Universe, bottom line.
Kain needs one time blast (Furion i cant remember did u take away kains time powers?)
Which Scorpion is certainly capable of dodging.
Invuelrable within the setting? no its stated as invulerable by the spell, saying its any diffrent in a diffrent setting is the same as me saying well in LOK Scorpions strongest punch wouldnt harm a Sarafan warrior,
That would be a false analogy. Scorpion's physical punching power can be logically proven to harm a Sarafan warrior, as it's simply physical damage, the same physical damage that exists within the LoK universe, the same physical that is bound by the certain rules and conditions of the LoK universe, in which Sarafan warriors are certainly not immune to such damage. However, when a certain in-universe ability is given such a title as "invulnerable," that would only be absolute within the particular setting, because as far as that setting is concerned, it is the only one that exists. The statement doesn't take into account any other universe, which as far as they are concerned, do not exist. It's really not that hard to grasp. Think of this thread as a crossover between two different universes that defy such absolute rules.
just because he is among the top tiers, doesnt mean he is greater than black holes anyway.....
Don't be ridiculous. If black holes were so relatively deadly and terrible in the MK setting as they are in most, then Noob Saibot would be a little higher on up on the hierarchy. He's not, ergo we can view such a level of power as being below established top tiers, such as Scorpion.
stand up to his sorcery, show me when he has negated an armor that would make him harm himself through his attacks?
Right.
Show me when the armour has negated the kind of damage that Mk fighters can dish out.
The fact that the armour reflects anything in the LoK universe in no way means that it would do the same to anything in the superior MK universe.
your talking rubbish again, rules of the peticulour setting, the armor doesnt have any rules against its use, if its hit, damage reflected, spell hits it, damage reflected.... scoprion punches it full blast, he breaks his own hand....
Again, you still can't seem to grasp the concept that such absolute rules are only subject to that particular setting. I'd really love to see the armour reflect a black hole or other such power...
unlikely just because you think its more impressive? so what? the EG>>>any MK elder God...by far, its an imaterial planet sized being who can spin the fates and lives of others.....you think thats lesser than MK?
Irrelevant misdirection, logical fallacy.
The EG, being immaterial has no physical power over the setting, ergo it in no way speaks for the extent of "invulnerability" of certain items within that setting.
Not to mention, the combined might of the Elder Gods, is equal to the One Being, who upon being destroyed formed the entire MK universe...
That's a level of power far beyond the EG.
lawls, LOK characters some of them with incredible power over the very concepts Mortal Kombat users drool over, their souls will be kainsas will Scoprions spectre body
No. Young Kain has never displayed a level of power anywhere near that of a top tier Mortal Kombatant.
Originally posted by BaneLover
Because his power levels aren't even coming close to someone who's not even top tier within the MK universe.Right, because by your logic, Shang Tsung should have had no problem whatsoever with consuming Onaga's soul. That's the same Shang Tsung who's powers were completely useless against the outnumbered Onaga, for the record. So clearly Onaga isn't completely defenceless against such an attack.
But, great job listing random abilities without supplying context! 👆
Burning skulls which were capable of delaying Taven - a supremely powerful individual, who could freeze time and move at the speed of light - in combat, and that was the weaker Scorpion as mentioned.
It does when the setting is as superior to that of LoK as the MK verse is.
It doesn't matter, as it's canonically stated that Scorpion was the only being powerful enough to defeat Onaga in that state. Noob Saibot doesn't have to be flinging black holes at him for us to know that it would be ineffective. Taven is exempt, though, given he was in stasis at the time.
He proceeded to whoop his ass through his superior combat prowess.
Only by hitting them with a projectile; Taven can simply freeze time around him by willing it.
In the setting...
Right, you've blabbered on for an entire paragraph but you have still yet to prove that the instakill factor of the sword would apply to beings from a superior setting.
Burden of proof fallacy.
He was able to curbstomp Onaga, a being with serious durability even in his weaker state (without Shinnok's amulet). Being able to compete with the likes of Onaga, or rather outclass the likes of Onaga, suggests an extremely high level of inner power, which is transferable through all aspects of physical prowess.
ROFL!! Wow, he's faster than a regular being? Oh man, I sure am impressed, I mean being faster than a regular being totally compares to being able to compete with individuals that can move at the fricking speed of light... 🙄
By this logic the low tier Kenshi would be able to prevent Scorpion from defeating him... Being a top tier fighter within a realm with numerous combatants that can utilise TK would suggest that Scorpion either has a defence for it, or can nullify the advantages that it provides through astonishing speed or teleportation or other such abilities.
Either way, as an ability for Kain alone, it's completely worthless in this scenario.
Right, and Onaga was able to do that too, on top of something even better: fly, yet that didn't stop Scorpion from owning his ass.
Which, as a power, only remains active for an extremely small amount of time: time which Scorpion can simply sit back and wait, and then proceed to own his ass as soon as Kain goes back to his corporeal form.
Please. Since when was an actual kill an absolute condition for victory these versus threads? Surely you can see that there would be no real purpose for this thread if that really were the case. By your logic, Raiden can't lose in these threads either since rather than dying, his energies would just reform in some other place. Don't be ridiculous, a KO is as good as a defeat in this circumstance.
Right, and as abilities alone, are completely worthless against someone with Scorpion's level of ability. If they weren't, Scorpion wouldn't hold the position that he does in the Mortal Kombat Universe, bottom line.
Which Scorpion is certainly capable of dodging.
That would be a false analogy. Scorpion's physical punching power can be logically proven to harm a Sarafan warrior, as it's simply physical damage, the same physical damage that exists within the LoK universe, the same physical that is bound by the certain rules and conditions of the LoK universe, in which Sarafan warriors are certainly not immune to such damage. However, when a certain in-universe ability is given such a title as "invulnerable," that would only be absolute within the particular setting, because as far as that setting is concerned, it is the only one that exists. The statement doesn't take into account any other universe, which as far as they are concerned, do not exist. It's really not that hard to grasp. Think of this thread as a crossover between two different universes that defy such absolute rules.
Don't be ridiculous. If black holes were so relatively deadly and terrible in the MK setting as they are in most, then Noob Saibot would be a little higher on up on the hierarchy. He's not, ergo we can view such a level of power as being below established top tiers, such as Scorpion.
Right.
Show me when the armour has negated the kind of damage that Mk fighters can dish out.
The fact that the armour reflects anything in the LoK universe in no way means that it would do the same to anything in the superior MK universe.
Again, you still can't seem to grasp the concept that such absolute rules are only subject to that particular setting. I'd really love to see the armour reflect a black hole or other such power...
Irrelevant misdirection, logical fallacy.
The EG, being immaterial has no physical power over the setting, ergo it in no way speaks for the extent of "invulnerability" of certain items within that setting.
Not to mention, the combined might of the Elder Gods, is equal to the One Being, who upon being destroyed formed the entire MK universe...
That's a level of power far beyond the EG.
No. Young Kain has never displayed a level of power anywhere near that of a top tier Mortal Kombatant.
jesus youve been on this forum not long and your digging a trench you may not be able to get out of, listen here
first you statements are baseless A>B>C logic, you simply assume because he can do something a guy with another diffrent set of abilities cant do, he is so much superior, thats a failure in itself, also this Tsung guy, can he steal souls on a whim, ive heard many people say he cannot simply do it on a whim....also you fail because you keep saying Traven can do this, stop time, speed of light, so how the hell did Scoprion beat him stuck in time? show me the proof of this Traven guy canonically losing and his powers having no effect on scorpion while he was using them please
what? so now the truth comes out the guy didnt even have blackholes launched at him? a Blackhole is a powerful singularity, and the Taven guy was in stasis? lol.....now its coming out that some of them didnt evne use their full power, this smells of CIS and PIS
by willing it? like he did to Onaga and Scorpion in a fight? no it seems not.....and kain can slow time not freeze all around him by basically willing it but in canon its unkown of his full abilities, but Taven using the ability is what is important for knowing how effect scorpion is?
you keep saying in the setting, this means nothing...ime afraid
superior in your mind, nothing in canon states it superior to LOK, only your opinion, hell LOK is superior if the sword does work the exact same on all MK characters so we have a paradox by your words but nothing states any of these characters would survive a soul blast, or having their souls ripped out
what? so he has no endurance feats 😐 simply because he beats Onaga does not make him so much stronger, ive not seen it, show me the battle please, just because Scorpion was physicall stronger to rip Onaga apart doesnt mean he is endurance is so much greater or ofc that it would survive the reaver
Scorpion can move at the speed of light? Kain is fighting Scorpion, not Taven
yeh well thats got no proof at all, Kain on a whim or a wave of his hand can hold human sized beings in TK or even completly shackle them in the air while doing something else without having to concentrate
Onaga can fly, but did he?
what power are you talking about? the shield lasts more than long enough for kain to defeat and completly own Scorpion easily if thats what your talking about
how is Scorpion going to KO a kain behind an invulerable shield?
what rubbish is this? Kain has some powers or a good mix of powers of most of the MK characters, teleport, time bolts, lightning, TK and more, and thats young kain, who would crush Scorp
the rules of one universe are the same in a battle as are the rules of the universe its fighting with, if something is stated or an abilityi s stated to make a being invulerable, then no matter the rules, that being is invulerable, there is nothing at all to state otherwise, you cant simply say because its in a diffrent setting, i may as well say the time powers of kain only slow time in the setting, i could suggest in Mortal kombat he wouldnt have to abide by these rules and would completly stop all time, your idea is broken
the Chaos armor reflects everything period as stated it does, this is another of those false arguments, nothing says in LOK that it can be stopped or faltered, and there are continent controlling powers, dimension walkers and masters of specific concepts in LOK, hwoever their power does not negate the armor, so in MK, only your assumption can ask otherwise...especially when the Armor has not ever had exceptions made in the LOK fiction
you prob would see the armor do that if it was in MK but unfortunatley no such aritfact can do it, id like to see you try and show anyone in MK negate an armor, you cannot.....because no such armor excists, this works both ways but the rules in a unvierse are absolute in these battles
Young kain would crush many MK combatants, especially Scoprion unless you can show him displaying anything other than strength or powers anything close to Taran, Tsung or Raiden.
very good try tho, but no cigar