Originally posted by Furion
A>B>C works. People don't like it because it beats the Sh*t out of their people.
I keep saying. Instant Hellfire punch and it's over. Kain will be kicked into lava and Scorpion wins.
false, A>B>C logic fails because CIS and PIS can cover half the battles in gaming, some things happen in diffrent circumstances as well and this particulour A>B>C logic is broken completly because hes saying just because Scorpion can beat Onaga and the blackhole guy cant, apprently Scoprion>>blackholes which is bad logic
he wont win through that at all, kain is too quick, and hellire punch isnt quick enough before kain puts a shield up
ill get Madmel to say what he thinks it is when he comes on, he is unbiased and doesnt barely ever debate, hes also played the games, if two people one being not even part of the debate but with knowledge on it say something ,then its more likely
unfortunaltey theres no official way of proving it, mainly because theres no vids on it, but you couldnt disprove it i bet, and furthermore how else can he do it? the game is a fast paced action game really, or at least its certainly fast, when a group of enemies attack you wouldnt be able to cast it if it took a long time, which it doesnt
Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
He just seems like a Kain fan. 😉He isn't an extremist, like you, but I wouldn't say he's totally unbiased. 😛
how can he seem like a kain fan, hes played all the games thats prob all, its not like he defends kain in this forum all the time like me
and what do u mean extremist lol, i never extreme, an extremist would have more merchandise than just the games for LOK, i simply kick people off their chairs if they think theyve got a character who would beat kain if i think strongly the character cannot
Originally posted by Burning thoughtI think he's a fan.
how can he seem like a kain fan, hes played all the games thats prob all, its not like he defends kain in this forum all the time like meand what do u mean extremist lol, i never extreme, an extremist would have more merchandise than just the games for LOK, i simply kick people off their chairs if they think theyve got a character who would beat kain if i think strongly the character cannot
It's just that you bring up Kain in 1/3 of all video game threads you post in. That makes you an extremist. A radical one at that. 😛
Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
It's just that you bring up Kain in 1/3 of all thread you post in. That makes you an extremist.
maybe he is a fan, but he likes that LFG character it seems a alot more, hes not as fanlike as i am, but who knows, but he knows the games and he can show some light
i dont always bring him up, sometimes others bring him up, prob to bait me, but he has most abilities in fiction so i can compare powers he has for example TK in other threads to make more sense of the battle for me, and possibly create a debating point to narrow down fanboyism of characters like sephiroth
Originally posted by Burning thoughtSeph-girls are the worst.
maybe he is a fan, but he likes that LFG character it seems a alot more, hes not as fanlike as i am, but who knows, but he knows the games and he can show some lighti dont always bring him up, sometimes others bring him up, prob to bait me, but he has most abilities in fiction so i can compare powers he has for example TK in other threads to make more sense of the battle for me, and possibly create a debating point to narrow down fanboyism of characters like sephiroth
Originally posted by Burning thought
jesus youve been on this forum not long and your digging a trench you may not be able to get out of, listen here
LMAO.
That just sounded too badass. 🙄
first you statements are baseless A>B>C logic,
Seeing as you ignored it the first time round:
A>B>C logic is hardly worthless when you can properly analyse the combatants involved and apply context.
Onaga is set up by the game makers as being a near unstoppable force of nature, storming into Shang Tsung's Palace and being able to completely shrug off whatever Raiden - a Thunder God - and Shang Tsung and Quan Chi - two immensely powerful sorcerers - could throw at him. He's hardly even phased by Raiden's sudden release of his energies, which was able to completely obliterate everyone (excluding Onaga) in what can be seen as something like a one mile radius. He then gets his hands on Shinnok's amulet, making him even more powerful.
Yet Scorpion, in his officially canon ending was able to singlehandedly take out all of his henchmen, and easily annihilate the Dragon King. It's even stated that with the enhancements that the Elder Gods gave him, he was the only one with the power to defeat Onaga. He's easily one of the most powerful beings in the entire mythos, and given that this is a setting where mid tiers can summon black holes, and top tiers can move at the speed of light and freeze time, it speaks heavily for Scorpion's level of power.
Kain honestly can't compare.
you simply assume because he can do something a guy with another diffrent set of abilities cant do, he is so much superior, thats a failure in itself,
What on earth are you talking about? Point out one time I said that or even hinted at that.
also this Tsung guy, can he steal souls on a whim, ive heard many people say he cannot simply do it on a whim....
It's a matter of a hand motion, and Onaga was giving them plenty time.
also you fail because you keep saying Traven can do this, stop time, speed of light, so how the hell did Scoprion beat him stuck in time?
Firstly, I never said Taven beat him, just that Scorpion at least put up a fight, as can be seen by the text after the fight ends. As for how Scorpion was able to compete, either he had a way of remaining active out of time, or his durability was too much for Taven to be able to truly harm him in the time where time was frozen (like with Kain's projectile attack, Taven can't freeze time indefinitely).
show me the proof of this Traven guy canonically losing and his powers having no effect on scorpion while he was using them please
Refer to the above.
what? so now the truth comes out the guy didnt even have blackholes launched at him?
Did you not even read my post? It doesn't matter if he had, because the point was that Scorpion was the only being capable of defeating Onaga, so even if Noob Saibot had faced him in combat, his black holes would have been ineffective.
Apparently you're still not understanding that Noob Saibot is so far from being a top tier character it's not even funny. Hell, his one time master, Quan Chi, was one of the guys who the weaker Onaga was literally immune to the powers of.
a Blackhole is a powerful singularity, and the Taven guy was in stasis? lol.....now its coming out that some of them didnt evne use their full power, this smells of CIS and PIS
I was using Taven to substantiate the high level of power within the MK universe. I never once used him to try and substantiate Onaga's power, you were the one who formed the connection between the two. Given that Taven is still forced to expend effort against his opponents throughout his Konquest, clearly his powers, while likely at the top, aren't completely out of reach is my point.
by willing it? like he did to Onaga and Scorpion in a fight?
Again, nobody said that he could freeze time indefinitely, and apparently you haven't quite grasped the fact that time freezing is useless if you can't actually harm your opponent. And I have no idea where on earth you got the idea that I was saying that Taven had fought Onaga. He fought a weak version of Scorpion, btw, not the Elder Gods powered version.
no it seems not.....and kain can slow time not freeze all around him by basically willing it but in canon its unkown of his full abilities, but Taven using the ability is what is important for knowing how effect scorpion is?
That last bit doesn't even make sense. I'll let you have another go at it.
you keep saying in the setting, this means nothing...ime afraid
No, it really does, given that such canon statements only absolutely apply to the setting.
superior in your mind, nothing in canon states it superior to LOK, only your opinion,
I really fail to see how it isn't superior. As I mentioned, the One Being (who the combined Elder Gods were able to destroy) was so powerful that he formed into all of the realms upon his destruction
Noob Saibot, a mid tier character, is capable of summoning black holes, which is pretty much beyond anything that's done in LoK.
Taven can freeze time and move at the speed of light.
hell LOK is superior if the sword does work the exact same on all MK characters so we have a paradox by your words
Again: what on earth are you talking about? How is this a paradox by my words?
but nothing states any of these characters would survive a soul blast, or having their souls ripped out
Nothing states that they wouldn't, and given that sorcerers in MK canon have such powers, it's pretty clear that defences to such powers exist.
what? so he has no endurance feats 😐 simply because he beats Onaga does not make him so much stronger,
Given how he annihilated his henchmen as well as Onaga with apparent ease, it's pretty clear he can, and again, Scorpion's officially canon bio states that Scorpion was the only one with the ability to defeat him.
ive not seen it, show me the battle please, just because Scorpion was physicall stronger to rip Onaga apart doesnt mean he is endurance is so much greater or ofc that it would survive the reaver
Apparently you know little about MK canon.
In Mortal Kombat, a warrior's strength, speed, agility, magical powers etc. are all dependant on his/her inner power. Of course a being may have strengths that lie towards one aspect more than towards another, but each and every characteristic still draws from the same source, meaning that they speak for each other. And again, it's likely that Taven faced difficulty with even harming an out of time Scorpion if indeed he was successfully using his time freezing powers against Scorpion.
Scorpion can move at the speed of light? Kain is fighting Scorpion, not Taven
Strawman argument, logical fallacy.
I never said that Scorpion can move at those speeds, but that his weaker version at least put up a fight against someone that can.
yeh well thats got no proof at all, Kain on a whim or a wave of his hand can hold human sized beings in TK or even completly shackle them in the air while doing something else without having to concentrate
Firstly, please try and make it a bit more clear as to what you're directly responding to.
No proof to it at all? Onaga himself could use TK, it was a pretty standard sorcerer's ability, if it was so beyond Scorpion's ability to defend, than Scorpion wouldn't be a top tier Mortal Kombatant, and Onaga would have been able to use the power alone to defeat him.
Onaga can fly, but did he?
Onaga would be fighting to the best of his abilities against someone fighting to kill him, and if the advantage would have been a factor, he would have used it.
what power are you talking about?the shield lasts more than long enough for kain to defeat and completly own Scorpion easily if thats what your talking about
Kain being able to turn into mist, if it wasn't obvious. He can't physically effect Scorpion when intangible, ergo, all Scorpion has to do is wait for him to go back to his corporeal form, and then proceed to own his ass.
how is Scorpion going to KO a kain behind an invulerable shield?
No proof that it's "invulnerable."
what rubbish is this? Kain has some powers or a good mix of powers of most of the MK characters, teleport, time bolts, lightning, TK and more,
I have no clue as to which part of my quote you're responding to here. Be clearer. I don't particularly recall denying that Kain has a nice range of abilities, but as far as potency goes, he's severely lacking.
and thats young kain, who would crush Scorp
Right. Except I don't think you could have provided any lesser of an argument trying to prove so.
the rules of one universe are the same in a battle as are the rules of the universe its fighting with, if something is stated or an abilityi s stated to make a being invulerable, then no matter the rules, that being is invulerable,
Where exactly is that said? Not in the rules I read, and if it is, then the rules are dumb, since this wouldn't be much of a thread if Kain is invulnerable.
there is nothing at all to state otherwise,
Nor is there anything to state that they would.
you cant simply say because its in a diffrent setting, i may as well say the time powers of kain only slow time in the setting, i could suggest in Mortal kombat he wouldnt have to abide by these rules and would completly stop all time, your idea is broken
Well that would simply be retarded, given nothing would suggest that the properties of the power would differ in another setting.
the Chaos armor reflects everything period as stated it does, this is another of those false arguments, nothing says in LOK that it can be stopped or faltered,
Nothing states that it can't be, either, and as I've said about a gazillion times, such statements are worthless as they have no authority over the rules of the MK universe.
and there are continent controlling powers,
Still not comparing. You do realise that a black hole would swallow an entire planet, right?
dimension walkers and masters of specific concepts in LOK,
Nifty to be sure, but this relates to physical power... how?
hwoever their power does not negate the armor, so in MK, only your assumption can ask otherwise...especially when the Armor has not ever had exceptions made in the LOK fiction
Right. At the end of the day, the statement is still only definitive for the LoK universe. Can I say that it definitely, without a doubt, wouldn't be invulnerable in the Mk universe? Of course not, but you certainly can't definitely say the opposite, and given that MK mid tiers can dish out power far beyond what the best of people in LoK can, I'm having serious trouble thinking that the armour would be invulnerable when taking into account a universe like that of MK. Either way, Occam's Razor would dictate that my stance was the correct open, ergo, it's the only logical one to take in this debate.
you prob would see the armor do that if it was in MK but unfortunatley no such aritfact can do it, id like to see you try and show anyone in MK negate an armor, you cannot.....because no such armor excists, this works both ways but the rules in a unvierse are absolute in these battles
As explained above, they aren't.
Young kain would crush many MK combatants, especially Scoprion unless you can show him displaying anything other than strength or powers anything close to Taran, Tsung or Raiden.
What the hell? He doesn't need to display that level of power to have it. He absolutely demolished Onaga and his henchmen, and the weaker Onaga was completely unfazed by all that Shang Tsung, Quan Chi, and Raiden could throw at him, inclusing Raiden's kamikaze attack.
He's so far beyond Tsung and Raiden that you making that claim makes it clear that you know nothing about Mortal Kombat.
very good try tho, but no cigar
Right. Get back to me when you learn how to properly quote and reply directly to everything I say. I'm not responding to another one of these block of texts.
Originally posted by BaneLover
Right. Get back to me when you learn how to properly quote and reply directly to everything I say. I'm not responding to another one of these block of texts.
good good
i can sum up everything you said in a few fairly small paragraphs
first its mostly all rubbish, half of what you said killed your own argument, as you said
No proof that it's "invulnerable."
yes there is
in LOK the shield makes kain undamagable by all kinds of attacks
http://www.dark-chronicle.co.uk/bo1/spells.php
repel its called
Where exactly is that said? Not in the rules I read, and if it is, then the rules are dumb, since this wouldn't be much of a thread if Kain is invulnerable.
powers and abilities work the same as they do in a unvierse, as they do in the unvierse it comes from, since its stated Kains shield is invulerable to attack, then as soon as its up, kain has won, unfortunatley, your way of debating is broken because you make up assumptions and bad debating logic of "because its not in the same unvierse, its going to be diffrent" that would imply the rules of the game will not apply, then were making up our own rules as it goes along for the characters, i go by what the game says, and yes your correct, this is not much of a thread...
Well that would simply be retarded, given nothing would suggest that the properties of the power would differ in another setting.
impaled your own argument again, didnt you say earlier that in MK setting the shield would be diffrent? that it may not be as strong? thats the entire properties of the shield that makes the user invulerable......thats what it does, in the game it has no health bar, like shields usually do, its the rules of the shield, they wont change as you said as it moves through diffrent settings
Right. At the end of the day, the statement is still only definitive for the LoK universe. Can I say that it definitely, without a doubt, wouldn't be invulnerable in the Mk universe? Of course not, but you certainly can't definitely say the opposite, and given that MK mid tiers can dish out power far beyond what the best of people in LoK can, I'm having serious trouble thinking that the armour would be invulnerable when taking into account a universe like that of MK. Either way, Occam's Razor would dictate that my stance was the correct open, ergo, it's the only logical one to take in this debate.
more sillyness 🙄 newbs lol
at the end of the day the statement is the rule of the spell, its not going to change because you think someone in MK is too powerful for it, unless you can show me stopping an armor equel to it, then your at a fallacy, because its just your opinion VS the rule of the armor, which ofc you lose....so no your assumption is broken
so simply put in the end, your whole argument is that because its a diffrent setting and because in your opinion MK is so much more powerful it has to change the rules of the armor set in stone? lawls
also you keep impaling your argument further
your whole argument is made up of assumptions, you keep saying "maybe scoprion" did this, "maybe" he did that, "maybe" he wasnt effected by time powers, well maybe you shouldnt assume, thats a void argument, your making it up as you go along, no i dont have knowledge on mortal kombat, show me what scoprion has done, all we know is that he beat these guys ime guessing considering even you are guessing at what happened in the fight.....well no thats not how it works, guessing at how he beat the guy isnt a debate
which why you fail 😉 but again, no cigar, maybe ull get one tomorrow