cant remember, its been too long since i last played it[/friendly sarcasm]
but yea, of course...its just that some of the character in the series are powerful in their own right..
2 guardians used their powers to warp an entire country..
1 guardian has to wear a special robe or else her power would kill everyone within a 3-5 feet radius of her 😬
and etc
Originally posted by MadMelNeither of those abilities make the user as apparently undefeatable as Kain.
cant remember, its been too long since i last played it[/friendly sarcasm]
but yea, of course...its just that some of the character in the series are powerful in their own right..
2 guardians used their powers to warp an entire country..
1 guardian has to wear a special robe or else her power would kill everyone within a 3-5 feet radius of her 😬
and etc
yea but kain is destined to live on, until he does whatever he is suposed to do to fix nosgoth and forfill his destiny as scion of balance..he cannot and will not die until that happens...the only other real way to defeat him is to trap him forever somehow, and that would cantradict his destiny as well..
Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
I was being sarcastic, mind you.I'm not saying that Scorpion would beat Kain though; I really haven't given it much thought.
It's just that BT essentially writes the same thing in any thread involving Kain, regardless of the opposition.
I just can't help but wonder if Kain's soul controlling power is as absolute as BT says that it is, and if so, how he fits into the role of a protagonist in a video game.
I mean, does Blood Omen even have a "Game Over" screen?
for the reaons of debate it would be absolute because A: there is no being canonically in LOK that has resisted this power, its worked again demons, ghosts, other vampires and ofcourse humans and B: since the ability is both quick and seems to work against all enemies, anything against this in the forums is an assumption and speculation, i can call to bear many assumptions and speculations about kain but such things are not really much to do with the rules of debating
thirdly if a being has soul resistences then fair play, perhaps he may be able to do something about kains soul power if he activates it, since kain can do it so damn quickly, even with the fact that opponents know eachothers abilities, they dont know when it happens or how to stop it with their own, so the likelyness is, even if someone has some resistence, it would have to be natural to stop kain
since most creatures and beings in fiction dont have any resistence or reason to belive they could survive their soul being punted out of them or replaced by kain in possesion, it gives kain many options with this ability alone
kain is definaltey unkillable and basically undefeatable considering his long list of powers to get him out of a situation tha could incapaciate him
Originally posted by Burning thoughtIf I'm not mistaken, soul manipulation didn't work against the disgusting looking Elder God thing. According to your logic, an undefeated boxer is undefeatable.
for the reaons of debate it would be absolute because A: there is no being canonically in LOK that has resisted this power, its worked again demons, ghosts, other vampires and ofcourse humans and B: since the ability is both quick and seems to work against all enemies, anything against this in the forums is an assumption and speculation, i can call to bear many assumptions and speculations about kain but such things are not really much to do with the rules of debatingthirdly if a being has soul resistences then fair play, perhaps he may be able to do something about kains soul power if he activates it, since kain can do it so damn quickly, even with the fact that opponents know eachothers abilities, they dont know when it happens or how to stop it with their own, so the likelyness is, even if someone has some resistence, it would have to be natural to stop kain
since most creatures and beings in fiction dont have any resistence or reason to belive they could survive their soul being punted out of them or replaced by kain in possesion, it gives kain many options with this ability alone
kain is definaltey unkillable and basically undefeatable considering his long list of powers to get him out of a situation tha could incapaciate him
It appears that few people on this forum have played Blood Omen (from what I've seen, just you and MadMel). I'll have to make sure I try a few of them, one: because you've struck my intrest in the series, and two: because frankly, I think you know more than you're telling.
Kain is unbeatable, eh? Well, how does he get a game over? I guess I'll have to see for myself.
Like I said, Instant Hellfire punch then Kain into Lava. Scorpion has survived being in Lava for a minute and can survive thunderbolts from Raiden which are powerful enough to blow people up. Scorpion has faced the best of MK and comes out with a head. Elder God Scorpion is even more powerful. And besides, You can't defeat Scorpion since he will just comeback to the NetherRealm. I guess that makes Scorpion undefeatable.
Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
If I'm not mistaken, soul manipulation didn't work against the disgusting looking Elder God thing. According to your logic, an undefeated boxer is undefeatable.It appears that few people on this forum have played Blood Omen (from what I've seen, just you and MadMel). I'll have to make sure I try a few of them, one: because you've struck my intrest in the series, and two: because frankly, I think you know more than you're telling.
Kain is unbeatable, eh? Well, how does he get a game over? I guess I'll have to see for myself.
that Elder God think may not have a soul thats why, infact its pretty odd creature that most dont know much about and a Boxer is something we can comprehend but the soul powers of kain are not, we know boxers can be defeated but weve never had tests of kains soul powers against anyone, wheras we know other boxers can be defeated, their also simply physical, anyone with something under their cap (a good brain) knowns that physical human strength is beatable
no i dont think many have, know more than were telling? hmm, we know a few things but weve let loose most knowledge, we may have missed something because i for one have not played Soul reaver 1 and BO 1 for years
he can get a game over in the game, just in canon he cannot be killed but in the game theres gameplay mechanics that make you start from a checkpoint if you lose a certain amount of the red vial
Scorpion will be possessed and like i said before, i swear he is a spectre, if so, then he gets immediatley soul captured by the reaver without kain having to do anything
Originally posted by Furion
A split sec is all that Scorpion will take to knock Kain down, Kain possesses Scorp, Scorp boots Kain out of his head and gets more pissed off. In a split sec Kain will be down and Scorp will be swinging him around with a kunai into the lava.
same for Kain, and kain would be inside Scorp, who wouldnt have a say in the matter, he would literally be gone and kain would be at the controls.... kain wins
kain will break the kunai, its a think little thing, its useless to kain, kain would devastate Scorpion
exept Kain will be on the ground so he won't get to do what ever. Hellfire punch is instant and Is almost impossible to block. Kain will be on the ground, Scorp uses his kunai on him while he's on the ground and then he will throw him into the lava. Simple. Not that Kain could possess Scorp anyway since he would just force him out due to his strong will power. Have Kain possess the Sarafan Lord and I'll say Scorp gets possessed.
Originally posted by Furion
exept Kain will be on the ground so he won't get to do what ever. Hellfire punch is instant and Is almost impossible to block. Kain will be on the ground, Scorp uses his kunai on him while he's on the ground and then he will throw him into the lava. Simple. Not that Kain could possess Scorp anyway since he would just force him out due to his strong will power. Have Kain possess the Sarafan Lord and I'll say Scorp gets possessed.
willpower is nothing to do with a quick possession, its even easier since Scorp has no soul in him apprently either
also what do u mean instant, its a punc, a punch is not as quick as a finger movemnet
thats not exactley the most impressive of skills, in the time it takes Scorpion to both start the teleport, move, then punch, kain could have his shield up and then its all over
Scorp can do what he likes but hed end up eventually possessed, utterly destroyed into pieces by the soul reaver, or simply have his brain turned off
no, it's instant. If I could show you I would. Why haven't you played MK:Armaggedon? You can make Kain and go about killing people.
Prove He can possess someone with the willpower of Scorpion. Scorpion was tossed into the Soulnado which is a realm made of a countless souls and his willpower made him survive by escaping it before being torn apart.
willpower does not determine the ability to escape Soul wreck, willpower is not judged in LOK, hes overtaken Vampires who have great will, Demons, all kinds of beings, will power does not mean anything when your mind is no longer yours, your body is kains and you literally no longer really excist
and as i said, he doesnt even need this, he can shield himself, hell be basically immune and then no one will hit him
willpower is for mind powers, Kain is not in scopions mind, hes in his whole body, you prove his willpower will go to his stomach or little toe somehow where kain also is, its for the mind, and Scorpion will be basically dead and gone after possession takes place because kain is at the controls, think of it as having a car with a guy in it who is scorpion, and kain comes along and fires an automatic into the guys head, the guy is dead and gets thrown out of the car and kain takes control of it, only thing is, this time Scorpions soul (the thing in the car) is in hell, so instead kain just finds an emptey vehicle and takes control
split second? kains hand movement is a split second and its not like kain is beaten once scorpion punches him, kain can still move while being punched so his hand could be moving at the same time as being punched and the shield will come up just as kain falls over, making him immune, but its more likely it will come up just as Scorpions punch lands, hed prob not even land the punch because kain will be moving wont he, so if scorp teleports kain could of moved just far enough to escape scorpions arm length for the punch and the shield is up, either way kain wins...