Scorpion vs Young Kain.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Why aren't we talking about gameplay? What else is there to talk about?

That's the only canon to go by for MK.

gameplay is what your talking about, the in-game damage system, what we usually talk about is cinematics, whats happened in cinematics, canon films and other fiction thats connceted to a game character who originated in a game, abilities are canon, all of the powers in MC can be canon but the amount of damage they do is not because that is a part of the gameplay, for example even some humans in MK normal humans i bet can survive things in the game that in real life could never survive, but because its gameplay, they somehow can, like the soul damaging thing you spoke of, or Scorpions hellfire punch, ime sure one of those would kill a character in one shot in real life, especially if its human that is but in the game, it probably doesnt (or is that one in peticulour a fatality?)

1. HMMM, if you blow up a planet in real life, I'm sure that all life on the surface would be extinguished. 5 year olds know that.
2. No it's not a title, he is a god. Like unkillable god. Kain is not a real god, not a being of a higher plane. Raiden is. Raiden >>>>>>>>> Kain.

Originally posted by Furion
1. HMMM, if you blow up a planet in real life, I'm sure that all life on the surface would be extinguished. 5 year olds know that.
2. No it's not a title, he is a god. Like unkillable god. Kain is not a real god, not a being of a higher plane. Raiden is. Raiden >>>>>>>>> Kain.

1. Kains a vampire, hes already dead.....and doing that would kill most of the MK combatants leaving kain floating in space before he dimensions to another realm, possibly taking the thing with him just to kill it there, not that he couldnt defeat it quickly before it can do anything

2. being a God is a title, simply show me his feats, if your just throwing around his title as a God then you phail, if youve got feats to backup his power, then show me please

Originally posted by Burning thought
1. Kains a vampire, hes already dead.....and doing that would kill most of the MK combatants leaving kain floating in space before he dimensions to another realm, possibly taking the thing with him just to kill it there, not that he couldnt defeat it quickly before it can do anything

2. being a God is a title, simply show me his feats, if your just throwing around his title as a God then you phail, if youve got feats to backup his power, then show me please

1. Scorpion's dead, guess he can't be killed. Noob's dead, guess he can't be killed. Liu Kang's dead, guess he can't be killed.

2. In Raiden's first MK ending, he got carried away and destroyed Earth by fighting. Raiden's ZOMGUBEREMO blast blows up giant buildings and kills instant. Raiden is immortal and if defeated will just return to his magical heaven place. Raiden has control of Thunder (THUNDER GOD). That's his feats as a lesser god. His highest ranking is Elder God and those guys kinda created the realms.

Originally posted by Furion
1. Scorpion's dead, guess he can't be killed. Noob's dead, guess he can't be killed. Liu Kang's dead, guess he can't be killed.

2. In Raiden's first MK ending, he got carried away and destroyed Earth by fighting. Raiden's ZOMGUBEREMO blast blows up giant buildings and kills instant. Raiden is immortal and if defeated will just return to his magical heaven place. Raiden has control of Thunder (THUNDER GOD). That's his feats as a lesser god. His highest ranking is Elder God and those guys kinda created the realms.

1. maybe they cannot be "killed" but defeated, and blowing up a planet is not helping anyone

2. Those are bad feats, destroying the Earth is fairly powerful but doesnt add up to true godhood, its a feat many characters in other fictions can replicated easily, he does not >>>>kain by a long shot, kain>>>>>>MK universe, most of them for sure he would destroy

1. told you, he is usually more of a lesser god. cept for when he went Elder God. I'd like to see Kain destroy a planet.

thats the thing he wouldnt need to, he could simply destroy everyone on it, get stronger in doing so thanks to their blood and with it their strength and abilities like he does to all his vampire leutenants by drinking their veins and taking their soul/essence as youve seen in BO 2

he would take Raidens power and then destroy a planet, but he doesnt need to break planets to break Raiden or any other MK being

OK go have Kain take Zeus's or Thor's power. who could easily just zap Kain from the Heavens with a thunder bolt. ZAAPAPPP!
on a side note: Besides Raziel, Ariel is my fav LOK character. I just love how her eyes go when Raziel starts taunting her. I need to get Defiance.

Originally posted by Furion
OK go have Kain take Zeus's or Thor's power. who could easily just zap Kain from the Heavens with a thunder bolt. ZAAPAPPP!
on a side note: Besides Raziel, Ariel is my fav LOK character. I just love how her eyes go when Raziel starts taunting her. I need to get Defiance.

lol Zeus or Thor would give Kain an excellent power boost, Kain already has some lighting power and with the concept of nature at his finger with the nature emblem of the pillars he is theoretically incredible with lighting for sure, but with zeus' and Thors powers in him, geeez, he could prob blow planets with the power of lightning blasts if he had all their power

defiance is a pretty good game, i wish all the games had as many powers as the first game tho, the developers seemed to removed most of the powers only giving the player to a few, i mean for example in Blood omen 2 which youve played you can jump far when you want to cant ya, you can jump at a guard or across a chasm, only in Defiance there are special places where you can only jump from, same when turning to bats

i think they should make a LOK game, new graphics, new engine....keep the storyline and carry on and keep kain with all his old and new abilities so players have access to many powers, it cant be that difficult

Kain in the original game could just throw up his shield and chaos armor and they'd kill themselves trying to harm him.

yes indeed, and it was definatley quick for him to do it too, he was certainly formidable in BO 1 when the devlopers actually allowed him use of all his powers

however ime not sure if kain would be allowed the Chaos armour in VS battles, i mean its sorta is his armour but hes not worn it since BO 1 and its not like he has it around all the time hmm 🙁 other cool items that would allow Kain to beat almost any entity, however lost now

1. Thor's and Zeus control over Lightning >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kain's.
These are the gods of thunder. Kain would be walking around when ZAP!
2.Should go with my idea. 😄

Originally posted by Furion
1. Thor's and Zeus control over Lightning >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kain's.
These are the gods of thunder. Kain would be walking around when ZAP!
2.Should go with my idea. 😄

1. Zap and they hit his shield and their power is reflected back and hits them i the face, then kain rips their souls, and drains their blood, gainging all their power, also what makes you think they >>kain?

Technically he has the control over the very concept of weather itself and energy, much more than just lightning as well, his lightning before he gained the emblem of weather and energy could initially blow every enemy on the screen and maybe further with a single shot for each character, blasted to pieces, normal lightning cannot even do that usually

Because THEY ARE THE GODS OF LIGHTNING! Do you know how fast Lightning travels? It would toast Kain before he could even realize he's been hit.
Zeus's lightning isn't normal.

Originally posted by Furion
Because THEY ARE THE GODS OF LIGHTNING! Do you know how fast Lightning travels? It would toast Kain before he could even realize he's been hit.
Zeus's lightning isn't normal.

you put too much on the God title.....being a God does not make you absolute, id be surprised if a real lightning bolt did hardly any damage to kain at all, first he does not have a need for physical form, his organs being shocked, his hear (which no longer excists) would not be shocked like a humans would, id be surprised if it harmed him at all, Kain has direct power from the pillars of the concepts now, he would in Theory be able to do anything with lightning he wants to

what Zeus are we talking about? if were talking real mythology then the Greeks belived those thunderbolts were what Zeus was throwing when lightning hit, so his lightning is normal in real mythology

In Soul Reaver 1, when Raziel fights Kain, Kain shoots Raziel with lightning (I think) Raziel is made from Kain so shouldn't Raziel be immune to Lightning? HAH!
Kain would still get hit and it would hurt alot.
in Soul Reaver 2, Raziel can be forced in the spectral realm by LIGHTNING!

Originally posted by Furion
In Soul Reaver 1, when Raziel fights Kain, Kain shoots Raziel with lightning (I think) Raziel is made from Kain so shouldn't Raziel be immune to Lightning? HAH!
Kain would still get hit and it would hurt alot.
in Soul Reaver 2, Raziel can be forced in the spectral realm by LIGHTNING!

1. no....also thats not likely neccerily lightning, it could be an energy blast, an average soul beam etc etc, also raziel is given life through kains soul, which indeed makes him strong but Kains sons are not static are they, they evolve and become incredibly diffrent, some gaining gifts like immunity to water that kain does not even have at the time (although he has all the power back now, so he should be immune ot water now)

how would it hurt? whats hurting him, first hes a vampire in a walking corspe and he doesnt exactley complain much after having his heart torn out, lightning wont hurt him mucch

can you show me where this happened? Raziel usually goes spectoral because his bodily form is destroyed, so if thats true, this is not normal lightning and if its not true, then its likely some other form of energy power

Liu Kang is a zombie but he can be hurt by lightning. In that one place where Raziel fights Kain if you wait too late and run up to Kain, He zapps you and you go spectral. Many times in Soul Reaver 2 there are lightning attacks that hurt Raziel.
That heart wasn't his, it was Janos's heart.

Originally posted by Furion
Liu Kang is a zombie but he can be hurt by lightning. In that one place where Raziel fights Kain if you wait too late and run up to Kain, He zapps you and you go spectral. Many times in Soul Reaver 2 there are lightning attacks that hurt Raziel.
That heart wasn't his, it was Janos's heart.

i know all this, why are you telling me things i know.....but what hes fireing it doesnt say, wether it be a soul blast, lightning or other, "shrug" i dont remember any canon lightning attacks that put Raziel in Spectoral, i remember all kinds of bright magic and such, or do you mean those eye things or faces over doors that you have to shoot?

yes thats basic knowledge for anyone, what relevence is this? kain has no heart in his body, it is the very essence of kains excistence yet he can live without it (because hes the scion, he cant die) that represents his undeath and why he is alive, and he no longer has a heart...lightning is unlikely to do much to kain, real lightning anyway

No, they are enemies in SR2 that have taser like things and they shock Raziel. it does a pretty good amount of damage.
You haven't even proved lightning wouldn't harm Kain. Prove it.