Originally posted by TricksterPriestHal talked to dead people when he stopped time and that's it. And turning into a Daxamite? Well, despite not being aware of this feat... scans or issue number please?... Thor would still beat a Daxamite. So?
There's a couple of things that Hal can and has done that could stop Thor cold. Like timestop, or turning himself into a daxamite.
Originally posted by DigiMark007
Problem is, Soljer, Thor can bring any kind of punishment: energy, magical, or purely physical. GLs are only energy, and Thor owns energy. The energy-soak of Mjolnir has few, if any, peers in all of comicdom (assuming Skyfather & below beings).
Uh... the lantern rings can do ANYTHING. Sentient constructs able to give the JLA problems, physical powers, manipulation of matter and energy on a global-to a galactic level (in JLA: Heaven's Ladder, Kyle creates a Double Helix shape with a galaxy full of planets), etc.
Not saying Thor isn't a beast, but in all honesty, anything Thor can do, Hal can do. The only real difference is... well... Hal can do more.
Originally posted by DigiMark007
GLs are fast, but do they amp reactions to such an otherworldly level that Thor couldn't touch them? No, they're still based on human reaction time and willpower/thought.
The rings take care of the reaction speed issue. Another advantage Hal has over Thor is the sentient ring feeding him information.
Hal: "Ring, transmute Thor's blood to acid."
Ring: "Affirmative." 😉
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Uh... the lantern rings can do ANYTHING. Sentient constructs able to give the JLA problems, physical powers, manipulation of matter and energy on a global-to a galactic level (in JLA: Heaven's Ladder, Kyle creates a Double Helix shape with a galaxy full of planets), etc.
You and I know perfectly well that willpower limits the rings. Hence they can't do EVERYTHING.
Thor's absorbed the energy of a null bomb that was capable of destroying an entire galaxy and used it to reignite a dead sun?
The hammer has the BFR option of other dimensions, seeing as how he once sent Surtur and Ymir to the Death Dimension, where a blast by Mjolnir ripped wide the fabric of the universe itself.
Originally posted by Jugglenaut
You and I know perfectly well that willpower limits the rings. Hence they can't do EVERYTHING.
This is Hal Jordan, bitch. Willpower is something he has an abundance of.
Originally posted by Jugglenaut
Thor's absorbed the energy of a null bomb that was capable of destroying an entire galaxy and used it to reignite a dead sun?
The hammer has the BFR option of other dimensions, seeing as how he once sent Surtur and Ymir to the Death Dimension, where a blast by Mjolnir ripped wide the fabric of the universe itself.
You think BFR would stop a Green Lantern? crylaugh
Lantern rings can also dimension hop, so it's not that big of a deal.
Like I said before, anything Thor can do, Hal can as well. Except Hal has more options available.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
This is Hal Jordan, *****. Willpower is something he has an abundance of.You think BFR would stop a Green Lantern? crylaugh
Lantern rings can also dimension hop, so it's not that big of a deal.
Yeah, that's why we have John having too much willpower for even his ring.
So Hal's come back from being BFRed to an alternate universe before then? Thor certainly can do that.
What can Hal do that Thor can't absorb and reuse against him?
Originally posted by Jugglenaut
Yeah, that's why we have John having too much willpower for even his ring.
Retarded writing.
Originally posted by Jugglenaut
What can Hal do that Thor can't absorb and reuse against him?
Uh... physical force, sentient constructs, transmutation, etc? Use your own imagination.
Power wise, these guys are close to neck-neck, however versatility obviously goes to Jordan, which is an edge. He has plenty of options to deal with Thor.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Retarded writing.Uh... physical force, sentient constructs, transmutation, etc? Use your own imagination.
Power wise, these guys are close to neck-neck, however versatility obviously goes to Jordan, which is an edge. He has plenty of options to deal with Thor.
I'm not certain if Thor reversing energy polarities would apply to constructs.
How many constructs can Hal make at a time?
Originally posted by Jugglenaut
Physical force? Unless Hal is suddenly Supes level with the ring, he's not going to be physically stronger than Thor.
Thor can transmute with the hammer, and has elemental control for that.
So that leaves the constructs, which are certainly not invulnerable to godblasts or antimatter particles from the hammer.I'm not certain if Thor reversing energy polarities would apply to constructs.
How many constructs can Hal make at a time?
Shit, Hal can grant his own body super powers with the ring. He could alter his body's DNA to that of a Kryptonian (if we get a little creative here). Point being, Hal has that option whereas Thor doesn't.
Only thing I've seen Thor "transmute" in the strictest sense was his clothing. Nothing too impressive there, so I'll chalk that one up for Hal.
I'm pretty sure Hal recreated Oa once and 7200 Lanterns. Just to give you an idea of what he's capable of.
Not to mention, Kyle once created Daxamite constructs with access to the speed force. 😬
And I was just throwing suggestions out there. What I listed is just the tip of the ice berg. It's almost asinine for me to be throwing out ideas when Hal has a near limitless array of options.
Originally posted by TricksterPriestSorry to burst your bubble. But 'Heaven's Ladder' was published in 2000, right around the time 'Oblivion' was published. And before 'Our Worlds At War.' So that puts any of Kyle's actions in 'Heaven's Ladder' smack in the middle during his time where he is unconsciously tapping into the Ion power. Not that it matters much to this thread since this isn't "Kyle Rayner tapping into the Ion Power vs Thor" or even "Kyle Rayner vs Thor."
Uh... the lantern rings can do ANYTHING. Sentient constructs able to give the JLA problems, physical powers, manipulation of matter and energy on a global-to a galactic level (in JLA: Heaven's Ladder, Kyle creates a Double Helix shape with a galaxy full of planets), etc.
Green Lantern rings on their own, have their limits.
Originally posted by TricksterPriestGeoff Johns knows what he's talking about more than you do. So sorry. And I'm still waiting for a scan or issue number where Hal Jordan turns himself into a Daxamite. 😂
Retarded writing.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Sorry to burst your bubble. But 'Heaven's Ladder' was published in 2000, right around the time 'Oblivion' was published. And before 'Our Worlds At War.' So that puts any of Kyle's actions in 'Heaven's Ladder' smack in the middle during his time where he is unconsciously tapping into the Ion power. Not that it matters much to this thread since this isn't "Kyle Rayner tapping into the Ion Power vs Thor" or even "Kyle Rayner vs Thor."
Proof?
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Green Lantern rings on their own, have their limits.Geoff Johns knows what he's talking about more than you do. So sorry. And I'm still waiting for a scan or issue number where Hal Jordan turns himself into a Daxamite. 😂
Lulz. I knew I'd hear the "ZOMG YOU CAN'T TALK SHITZ ABOUT GEOFF JOHNS!!!!11@" argument from somebody.
Tell you what, show me another example where a Green Lantern's "will power" has ever exceeded what a ring's capacity was. Really, anything that would make the instance with Stewart a justifiable occurrence will suffice.
I don't give a shit who wrote it, the fact of the matter is that it's stupid. 😬
Lol. K. I'll go slowly for you... 'Final Night' occurs in 1996 where the source of the Ion power lies within the Sun after Hallax sacrifices himself. The 'Circle Of Fire' arc (I misquoted as 'Oblivion' arc before) occurs in 2000, where Kyle subconsciously taps into the Ion power and manifests Oblivion and several fake GL's and fights them. 'Heaven's Ladder' arc occurs in 2000 as well. All through 2000 and 2001, in his own GL book and obviously in 'Circle of Fire' and 'Heaven's Ladder,' Kyle experiences unexplained powerups and a seeming lack of limitations with his powers. This culminates in his 'OWAW: Green Lantern' one-shot and the 'Power of Ion' storyline that occurs at the end of 2001 and through 2002, where he finally discovers that he's been unconsciously tapping into the Ion power the entire time.
You fail. Geoff Johns ain't perfect. But that sh1t's on-panel. And none of your exagerrations are.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Lol. K. I'll go slowly for you... 'Final Night' occurs in 1996 where the source of the Ion power lies within the Sun after Hallax sacrifices himself. The 'Circle Of Fire' arc (I misquoted as 'Oblivion' arc before) occurs in 2000, where Kyle subconsciously taps into the Ion power and manifests Oblivion and several fake GL's and fights them. 'Heaven's Ladder' arc occurs in 2000 as well. All through 2000 and 2001, in his own GL book and obviously in 'Circle of Fire' and 'Heaven's Ladder,' Kyle experiences unexplained powerups and a seeming lack of limitations with his powers. This culminates in his 'OWAW: Green Lantern' one-shot and the 'Power of Ion' storyline that occurs at the end of 2001 and through 2002, where he finally discovers that he's been unconsciously tapping into the Ion power the entire time.You fail. Geoff Johns ain't perfect. But that sh1t's on-panel. And none of your exagerrations are.
.........It's the internet. Everything is typed. 🙄 You're only making yourself look bad by attempting to patronize me.
Most of what Kyle has done, outside the Ion power upper level stuff, are things that Hal can do as well. And you clearly do not understand the most important thing about the ring. It has NO LIMITS. Aside from running out of energy, the ring can do just about anything. I haven't exaggerated it at all. You're just too thick to realize what a marvelous weapon it is. 😄
Right......I'm gonna take the word of one panel by Geoff Johns, great writer that he is, over 20-30 years of GL canon, including (unless I miss my guess) PC Green Lantern history, which I believe is still canon for them. It's a horseshit panel. So if we accept this, I guess Spidey vs. Firelord is now on-panel and thus irrefutable. Or Thanos getting stabbed by Wolverine. Or Darkseid bleeding vis Batman. Or Deathstroke having a winning record against every Flash. 🙄
Originally posted by DigiMark007
...despite far less feats in any area and an amorphic possession of the Odinforce that may or may not be at full power? By all rights, Classic has better feats by quite a bit, unless I'm missing something epic from the last issue or two.But I'll concede because he is stated to have the Odinforce. I just wanted to point out that it's not the gigantic difference people say.
It is a gigantic difference.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Retarded writing.
proof, trick?
even when hal was infected by parallax, he was still able to recreate coast city in every detail, even down to the squirrels on the trees...
thats a weakened, feeling fear, doubting himself hal...
besides, the scan says 'willpower exceeding ring capabilities'
that could mean any of a dozen things... maybe his charge wasn't sufficient to create something that large and complex?
and you know, he was trying to create an entire star system... john said himself that he had thought every detail through... that's every planet as it was the last time the ring scanned it, every person, every building on god knows how many planets... the amount of energy required to pull off something like that is unbelievably enormous...
gl rings have limits, as high as they are... thats why there are so many cannon fodder gl's...
now, is geoff johns infallible? of course not, but when it comes to green lantern, there are very few voices i would trust more than his...
Originally posted by Raoul
proof, trick?even when hal was infected by parallax, he was still able to recreate coast city in every detail, even down to the squirrels on the trees...
thats a weakened, feeling fear, doubting himself hal...
besides, the scan says 'willpower exceeding ring capabilities'
that could mean any of a dozen things... maybe his charge wasn't sufficient to create something that large and complex?
and you know, he was trying to create an entire star system... john said himself that he had thought every detail through... that's every planet as it was the last time the ring scanned it, every person, every building on god knows how many planets... the amount of energy required to pull off something like that is unbelievably enormous...
gl rings have limits, as high as they are... thats why there are so many cannon fodder gl's...
now, is geoff johns infallible? of course not, but when it comes to green lantern, there are very few voices i would trust more than his...
Good points. 👆
I always took that scene to be 'insufficient resources.'
What your will is asking for, the ring doesn't have enough juice for.
More or less.