Originally posted by TricksterPriest
The rings take care of the reaction speed issue. Another advantage Hal has over Thor is the sentient ring feeding him information.Hal: "Ring, transmute Thor's blood to acid."
Ring: "Affirmative." 😉
Lulz. If you think a GL could really do this to Thor, you really don't know much about Thor.
Originally posted by llagrok
It is a gigantic difference.
Based on what? Speculation of powers we have yet to see? Once it's displayed, I'll agree with you wholeheartedly, but we have no clue how well he can use the OF.
Originally posted by redhotrash
I think Thor can last long enough for Hal to exhaust his ring.
Excellent point. And Thor has absorbed amounts of energy that are far beyond planet-busting, and then turned it on its user, so I really can't see Hal doing much here.
Originally posted by DigiMark007
Excellent point. And Thor has absorbed amounts of energy that are far beyond planet-busting, and then turned it on its user, so I really can't see Hal doing much here.
agreed...
under Skyfather level, only Quasar comes to mind on being on par with Thor in energy absorption...
Originally posted by DigiMark007
Based on what? Speculation of powers we have yet to see? Once it's displayed, I'll agree with you wholeheartedly, but we have no clue how well he can use the OF..
Thor hasn't forgotten anything from the last time he had it.
And the last time he had the Odinforce, he was incapable of resurrecting people, he could only heal the actual body but not bring back their spirit. Thor with the Odinforce was also capable of dealing with Surtur once.
Originally posted by llagrok
Thor hasn't forgotten anything from the last time he had it.And the last time he had the Odinforce, he was incapable of resurrecting people, he could only heal the actual body but not bring back their spirit. Thor with the Odinforce was also capable of dealing with Surtur once.
You mean in the metaphoric battle he had alongside his father? Not really a feat.
And yes I saw the resurrection. Not sure how that helps in a fight against a GL though.
Originally posted by TricksterPriestThe sad thing is, I have probably read more Green Lantern comics than you have. Still waiting for a scan where Hal turns himself into a Daxamite btw. 😂
.........It's the internet. Everything is typed. 🙄 You're only making yourself look bad by attempting to patronize me.Most of what Kyle has done, outside the Ion power upper level stuff, are things that Hal can do as well. And you clearly do not understand the most important thing about the ring. It has NO LIMITS. Aside from running out of energy, the ring can do just about anything. I haven't exaggerated it at all. You're just too thick to realize what a marvelous weapon it is. 😄
Right......I'm gonna take the word of one panel by Geoff Johns, great writer that he is, over 20-30 years of GL canon, including (unless I miss my guess) PC Green Lantern history, which I believe is still canon for them. It's a horseshit panel. So if we accept this, I guess Spidey vs. Firelord is now on-panel and thus irrefutable. Or Thanos getting stabbed by Wolverine. Or Darkseid bleeding vis Batman. Or Deathstroke having a winning record against every Flash. 🙄
Originally posted by DigiMark007
Lulz. If you think a GL could really do this to Thor, you really don\'t know much about Thor.
I know mentioning something like that is taboo around here, especially since they\'re close to evenly matched in the power department, and because Thor is "teh gawd of thunda!!!" However, tell me something; what makes Thor immune to having his blood transmuted? Has he ever resisted something of this manner?
Now, this isn\'t me saying Hal will do this in a fight against Thor. I\'m just questioning the reasons as to why people might not think it\'s valid.
Originally posted by batdude123
I know mentioning something like that is taboo around here, especially since they\'re close to evenly matched in the power department, and because Thor is \"teh gawd of thunda!!!\" However, tell me something; what makes Thor immune to having his blood transmuted? Has he ever resisted something of this manner?Now, this isn\'t me saying Hal will do this in a fight against Thor. I\'m just questioning the reasons as to why people might not think it\'s valid.
Edit:
IIRC, he still has timestop after Immortus took the time traveling power away from Mjolnir.
Originally posted by Raoul
proof, trick?even when hal was infected by parallax, he was still able to recreate coast city in every detail, even down to the squirrels on the trees...
thats a weakened, feeling fear, doubting himself hal...
besides, the scan says 'willpower exceeding ring capabilities'
that could mean any of a dozen things... maybe his charge wasn't sufficient to create something that large and complex?
Only problem I have with that argument is this: rather than saying something like "ring's charge is insufficient," it states that his WILLPOWER was exceeding the ring's capabilities. Two totally different concepts, so I really don't see how an argument could be made for one being the same as the other.
Never have I seen in a GL comic one's "willpower" ever being too much for a ring to handle. Needless to say, regardless of Johns being the one who wrote it, I don't exactly agree with that. srug
Originally posted by batdude123
Only problem I have with that argument is this: rather than saying something like "ring's charge is insufficient," it states that his WILLPOWER was exceeding the ring's capabilities. Two totally different concepts, so I really don't see how an argument could be made for one being the same as the other.Never have I seen in a GL comic one's "willpower" ever being too much for a ring to handle. Needless to say, regardless of Johns being the one who wrote it, I don't exactly agree with that. *srug*
i can see where you're coming from... honestly though, when you look at the top gl's, they're all guys who will push their rings to the limit in one way or another, they aren't like the thousands of faceless gl's that get massacred in a big battle... the ring is powerful, yes, but given the showings of the gl's (the high ones), the rings limitations are what makes them high herald level rather than galactus busters... just imo...
Originally posted by Raoul
i can see where you're coming from... honestly though, when you look at the top gl's, they're all guys who will push their rings to the limit in one way or another, they aren't like the thousands of faceless gl's that get massacred in a big battle... the ring is powerful, yes, but given the showings of the gl's (the high ones), the rings limitations are what makes them high herald level rather than galactus busters... just imo...
Only thing is though, it's been established on panel several times that a GL is only limited by their imagination and willpower.
IMO, it's their willpower's limits that keeps them at high herald.
Originally posted by batdude123
Only thing is though, it's been established on panel several times that a GL is only limited by their imagination and willpower.IMO, it's their willpower's limits that keeps them at high herald.
most gl's, yes, but when you have someone like hal, or guy, or kilowog, who's willpower or imagination is that highly developed, then the whole 'limitless power' thing starts, imo, to look a little less impressive...
i mean, gl's are great and all, but are we saying that the best in the business (hal, kyle, john) just aren't that impressive because they can't use the ring at a higher level? i mean, why is ion even needed if the ring is that powerful?
Originally posted by Raoul
most gl's, yes, but when you have someone like hal, or guy, or kilowog, who's willpower or imagination is that highly developed, then the whole 'limitless power' thing starts, imo, to look a little less impressive...
Except none of those guys have ever exceeded a ring's capabilities based on will power alone.
Originally posted by Raoul
i mean, gl's are great and all, but are we saying that the best in the business (hal, kyle, john) just aren't that impressive because they can't use the ring at a higher level? i mean, why is ion even needed if the ring is that powerful?
I never said that the ring's themselves have limitless power. I mean, it IS the reason why they have to recharge the rings in the first place.
I'm simply echoing what's been established as canon for years now.
It's always been "a Green Lantern is only limited by his imagination and will."
It has NEVER been "a Green Lantern is only limited by his imagination and will... uh... err... unless his will overloads the ring's capacity."
Originally posted by Erik-LensherrIt's more like willpower exceeds ring's capabilities. Hasn't the Surfer stated that his Power Cosmic can accomplish anything and he clearly has his limits too? Don't know what the incredulity is about. It's pretty clear to me. John wants to reconstruct the solar system he failed to save and has the will to do so.
How do you interpret that scene with John and his willpower 'overriding ring's capabilities' ?
The ring says that the request exceeds it's capabilities. It doesn't say "insufficient charge." If it was a simple matter of being an insufficient charge, he could have just recharged his ring and tried again. He clearly has the will to do so and has been making sabbaticals to the Xanshi system many times. I mean... seriously... he just thinks, "Damn. I'm only at 76%. Guess I'll give up and not restore the solar system. I could go and recharge my ring to 100%... but I don't feel like travelling back and forth... Sorry Xanshi, you're out of luck today." 😂
Originally posted by batdude123
Except none of those guys have ever exceeded a ring's capabilities based on will power alone.
just because it hasn't been done (bar john) doesn't mean it can't, though, does it?
I never said that the ring's themselves have limitless power. I mean, it IS the reason why they have to recharge the rings in the first place.
i meant limitless in terms of what you can do with sufficient charge...
I'm simply echoing what's been established as canon for years now.It's always been "a Green Lantern is only limited by his imagination and will."
It has NEVER been "a Green Lantern is only limited by his imagination and will... uh... err... unless his will overloads the ring's capacity."
in fairness though, how many gl's do we know that have tried to recreate a solar system? its a huge task... the guardians've lied before, and considering it takes a truly exceptional gl to reach the level of hal or john, it could have easily been maintained that a gl was only limited by his own imagination or willpower...
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
It's more like willpower exceeds ring's capabilities. Hasn't the Surfer stated that his Power Cosmic can accomplish anything and he clearly has his limits too? Don't know what the incredulity is about. It's pretty clear to me. John wants to reconstruct the solar system he failed to save and has the will to do so.The ring says that the request exceeds it's capabilities. It doesn't say "insufficient charge." If it was a simple matter of being an insufficient charge, he could have just recharged his ring and tried again. He clearly has the will to do so and has been making sabbaticals to the Xanshi system many times. I mean... seriously... he just thinks, "Damn. I'm only at 76%. Guess I'll give up and not restore the solar system. I could go and recharge my ring to 100%... but I don't feel like travelling back and forth... Sorry Xanshi, you're out of luck today." 😂
it was just ONE possibility... 😐