Originally posted by Ouallada
Surfer: In thy name was a good comic. Nova #14 was great as well, and it seems that SS was simply depicted as not holding back. His silent dismantling of Nova was chilling though.
QFT. Nova best attack barely fazed SS. Personally id like to see him like this more often.
Originally posted by DigiMark007
One: Thor can transmute matter himself. Anyone with a similar power is most likely immune to it, or could reverse its affects.
From my experience, all I've seen Thor "transmute" is the clothing he was wearing. Is it still transmutation? Yes, however it's nothing all too impressive that would lend me to believe Thor is a master at manipulating matter.
There's also that ambiguous scan of Thor turning the Absorbing Man into helium that's labeled as "transmutation" in the respect thread. However, based on the nature of Absorbing Man's powers, it's more likely that Thor simply emanated helium from his hammer which made contact with Creel. He's done that kind of thing before to AM when he created a tornado.
Also, the idea that Thor is immune to any form of transmutation is quite folly, considering he's already been turned into a frog (by Sersi, I believe).
Originally posted by DigiMark007
Two: Gods, much like Eternals, won't be killed by anything except things at the molecular dispersion level. Such god-like durability (excuse the pun) is bound to hinder transmutation attempts.
See frog example above.
Also, the Asgardians aren't immortal. I seem to recall Thor being on the verge of death after being stabbed by a spear. They needed to use mystical means in order to heal him, otherwise he would've died.
Originally posted by DigiMark007
Three: Mjolnir's magical nature, ability to absorb all manner of attacks (psychic, energy, magical, etc.) means that such an attack would probably have a hard time working at all since he could negate it.
Okay, but we're not talking about something Thor can just absorb. This is transmutation that would occur on the inside of his body.
Originally posted by DigiMark007
Four: It's never been done, except by the Infinity Gauntlet
Once again, I reference the frog example.
Originally posted by DigiMark007
Does that means he's 100% for sure immune? No. But it's a pretty strong case against it.
I know Thor isn't 100% immune to transmutation.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Its not direct evidence of Thor resisting molecular transmutation, but here's an instance of Thor resisting having his molecules "frozen"...
http://img397.imageshack.us/img397/7105/avengersv101410ma2.jpg
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/2133/avengersv101411vw7.jpg
http://img396.imageshack.us/img396/5940/avengersv101412bc0.jpg
Completely different circumstances. Just because the word "molecules" is referenced in those scans doesn't mean anything all that special. There's a difference between having your atoms rearranged into another substance (transmutation) and having all the kinetic energy in your body halted (freezing). 😬
Originally posted by batdude123There's also that ambiguous scan of Thor turning the Absorbing Man into helium that's labeled as "transmutation" in the respect thread. However, based on the nature of Absorbing Man's powers, it's more likely that Thor simply emanated helium from his hammer which made contact with Creel.
^ If it's a double ko... then should Thor also get a .5 and thus a 5.5? 😛
Originally posted by DigiMark007I think both of our characterizations are off. I can agree that he reincarnated them. But he did recreate the Asgardian kingdom from scratch. Either way, it's simple. We saw what he did with the Odinforce during 'The Reigning' storyline. He possesses the Odinforce on-panel. No limitations have been assessed. Simple deduction says that it's more arguable he should suffer no limitation this time around. At the very least, he has demonstrated greater power than classic Thor, taking a Destroyer shot, recreating Asgard, etc. I can understand if you disagree that Odinforce Thor does not equal Odin. But Odinforce Thor is a wiser, more at peace, King Thor.
He woke them up, he didn't recreate them. And Asgard floating is impressive, but fairly worthless for battle purposes. I agree Thor wins, but the Current Thor wankfest in the forum as opposed to Classic annoys me a bit.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ If it's a double ko... then should Thor also get a .5 and thus a 5.5? 😛
I think both of our characterizations are off. I can agree that he reincarnated them. But he did recreate the Asgardian kingdom from scratch. Either way, it's simple. We saw what he did with the Odinforce during 'The Reigning' storyline. He possesses the Odinforce on-panel. No limitations have been assessed. Simple deduction says that it's more arguable he should suffer no limitation this time around. At the very least, he has demonstrated greater power than classic Thor, taking a Destroyer shot, recreating Asgard, etc. I can understand if you disagree that Odinforce Thor does not equal Odin. But Odinforce Thor is a wiser, more at peace, King Thor.
I'd say Classic Thor+, but then again, I think I missed the last few issues. Your assessment seems very fair. 👆
Originally posted by jasofisc
if this is classic vs classic then Hal takes it. Thor has been shown on multiple occastions to be ko'ed by signicant energy blasts. not say hal would win it easly or with out major injury. I see hall taken this 5.5 (the .5 would be a double ko)
I'd like to see citations of those instances. Because Thor has better energy absorbing feats than anyone at this level. Anyone.
Originally posted by Jugglenaut
In that very same comic, I believe Thor said, "I have the power to transmute the elements themselves"
I'm going to see if I can find more scans of JIM #115 for solid proof of that.
Creel doesn't become everything he touches. Assuming he did in that instance is most likely false. Transmutation is the far more likely interpretation.
Originally posted by DigiMark007
Creel doesn't become everything he touches. Assuming he did in that instance is most likely false. Transmutation is the far more likely interpretation.
Oh really now? 😬
http://img211.imageshack.us/my.php?image=thor1zd5.jpg
http://img211.imageshack.us/my.php?image=thor2hg9.jpg
I rest my case.
Hal Jordan bathing Thor in an aura of GL energy and transmuting his blood into acid and killing him is about as likely as Thor trapping Hal in a Mjolnir vortex, stripping him of his powers and shrinking him down and trapping him in a glass ball.
Except I'm actually seen Thor do the latter on-panel to an opponent, whereas I've not seen Hal do the former against anybody.
