Hal Jordan vs Thor

Started by batdude1238 pages

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Hal Jordan bathing Thor in an aura of GL energy and transmuting his blood into acid and killing him is about as likely as Thor trapping Hal in a Mjolnir vortex, stripping him of his powers and shrinking him down and trapping him in a glass ball.

Except I'm actually seen Thor do the latter on-panel to an opponent, whereas I've not seen Hal do the former against anybody.

Originally posted by batdude123
Now, this isn't me saying Hal will do this in a fight against Thor.

Kthx.

Before you interject with your opinion next time, you might want to understand the whole argument.

Originally posted by batdude123
I know mentioning something like that is taboo around here, especially since they're close to evenly matched in the power department, and because Thor is "teh gawd of thunda!!!" However, tell me something; what makes Thor immune to having his blood transmuted? Has he ever resisted something of this manner?

Now, this isn't me saying Hal will do this in a fight against Thor. I'm just questioning the reasons as to why people might not think it's valid.

And I'm responding to this underlined part of your posts, numbnuts. You're questioning our reasons as to why people might not think it's valid. I don't think it's valid. I gave you my reasons why.

Before you act all flustered, try not being so selective in your own quotes next time. You don't care for my response, fine. Next time you don't want anyone but Digi to respond to your posts, clarify that ahead of time.

Kthx.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
And I'm responding to this underlined part of your posts, numbnuts. You're questioning our reasons as to why people might not think it's valid. I don't think it's valid. I gave you my reasons why.

I was asking for justification as to why people might think Thor is above transmutation.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Before you act all flustered, try not being so selective in your own quotes next time. You don't care for my response, fine. Next time you don't want anyone but Digi to respond to your posts, clarify that ahead of time.

Kthx.

Who's the flustered one here? I wasn't the one who called the other guy "numbnuts." Hypocrisy much?

Originally posted by batdude123
I was asking for justification as to why people might think Thor is above transmutation.
If you hadn't added at the very end, "I'm just questioning the reasons as to why people might not think it's valid." When the "it" you refer to is Hal transmuting Thor's blood into acid, I might have understood your narrow request dictating how people may respond to your posts. As it is, in my own mind, I personally didn't cut out that part of your original post and ignore it as you attempted to do at the top of this page. I took your post as a whole and responded in kind.
Originally posted by batdude123
Who's the flustered one here? I wasn't the one who called the other guy "numbnuts." Hypocrisy much?
When you take the time to accuse me of not understanding the whole argument, I interpreted that as being flustered. If you're not flustered, that's great. As it stands then, all you're doing is dictating how people respond in free-discussion threads and selectively remembering what you asked for. That still makes you a numbnuts in my book. And I don't need to be flustered to assess that, just disappointed in your attitude and tone.

Kthx.

Originally posted by batdude123
Oh really now? 😬

http://img211.imageshack.us/my.php?image=thor1zd5.jpg
http://img211.imageshack.us/my.php?image=thor2hg9.jpg

I rest my case.

Thor scattered his atoms, by his own words. If Creel became everything he touched, he'd turn to brick every time he got knocked into a building, or become the material of his shoes, or the air, or....

I rest my case as well.

😬

Using Creel as an example is a bad idea either way. Since he's been shown to both transform by touch, and by thought. He's inconsistent in that regard.

"Hal Jordan bathing Thor in an aura of GL energy and transmuting his blood into acid and killing him is about as likely as Thor trapping Hal in a Mjolnir vortex, stripping him of his powers and shrinking him down and trapping him in a glass ball."

^ See Hal's fight with the first Shaggy Man. Hal shrunk Shaggy and stuffed him into a container. Or how about when Hal came back from the dead? You want to pull out insane feats, I can match you. But don't play the 'My guy can do crazy shit, but your guy can't' card. 👇

^Just a note, those feats aren't exactly the same as the one in contention, are they?

Originally posted by batdude123
Completely different circumstances. Just because the word "molecules" is referenced in those scans doesn't mean anything all that special. There's a difference between having your atoms rearranged into another substance (transmutation) and having all the kinetic energy in your body halted (freezing). 😬

I know, I evedn pointed out it wasn't actually an instance of him resisting transmutation in my post.

But when you say it like that, they do seem to suggest that Thor may be immune to having his speed stolen...

Thor>Flash 😱

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
See Hal's fight with the first Shaggy Man. Hal shrunk Shaggy and stuffed him into a container. Or how about when Hal came back from the dead? You want to pull out insane feats, I can match you. But don't play the 'My guy can do crazy shit, but your guy can't' card. 👇
Meh. This is current Hal Jordan, not pre-Crisis Hal Jordan. And that still isn't transmuting a foe's blood into acid. Besides, Hal's ability to come back from the dead AFTER Thor kills him doesn't seem to have much application in a KMC fight... since by that point... Thor would have won that round?
Originally posted by darthgoober
I know, I evedn pointed out it wasn't actually an instance of him resisting transmutation in my post.

But when you say it like that, they do seem to suggest that Thor may be immune to having his speed stolen...

Oh... snap. You have opened up a can of worms now, haven't you?

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ If it's a double ko... then should Thor also get a .5 and thus a 5.5? 😛
I think both of our characterizations are off. I can agree that he reincarnated them. But he did recreate the Asgardian kingdom from scratch. Either way, it's simple. We saw what he did with the Odinforce during 'The Reigning' storyline. He possesses the Odinforce on-panel. No limitations have been assessed. Simple deduction says that it's more arguable he should suffer no limitation this time around. At the very least, he has demonstrated greater power than classic Thor, taking a Destroyer shot, recreating Asgard, etc. I can understand if you disagree that Odinforce Thor does not equal Odin. But Odinforce Thor is a wiser, more at peace, King Thor.

hall wins 5 out right and thor wins 4 out right the tenth battle is a double ko which puts hal at 5.5 and thor at 4.5 that's what I ment

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Meh. This is current Hal Jordan, not pre-Crisis Hal Jordan. And that still isn't transmuting a foe's blood into acid. Besides, Hal's ability to come back from the dead AFTER Thor kills him doesn't seem to have much application in a KMC fight... since by that point... Thor would have won that round?

i thought the crisis didn't apply to green lanterns?

imo, there are plenty of characters it doesn't apply to, but thats just me...

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
If you hadn't added at the very end, "[b]I'm just questioning the reasons as to why people might not think it's valid." When the "it" you refer to is Hal transmuting Thor's blood into acid, I might have understood your narrow request dictating how people may respond to your posts. As it is, in my own mind, I personally didn't cut out that part of your original post and ignore it as you attempted to do at the top of this page. I took your post as a whole and responded in kind. [/B]

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Hal Jordan bathing Thor in an aura of GL energy and transmuting his blood into acid and killing him is about as likely as Thor trapping Hal in a Mjolnir vortex, stripping him of his powers and shrinking him down and trapping him in a glass ball.

Except I'm actually seen Thor do the latter on-panel to an opponent, whereas I've not seen Hal do the former against anybody.

Your reasons as to why Hal wouldn't do something like that is because of CIS. I already addressed that in my previous sentence.

I was asking why people feel that Thor is above transmutation when he shown in the past that he isn't.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
When you take the time to accuse me of not understanding the whole argument, I interpreted that as being flustered.

You pointed out that Hal wouldn't do that in a fight against Thor (akin to CIS). I already said Hal doing that in a fight is highly improbable, so I didn't understand why you decided to echo a thought.

So, you either didn't understand the argument, or you had a very limited understanding of the discussion. Either way, it wasn't me being flustered; I was simply stating a fact. 😬

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
If you're not flustered, that's great. As it stands then, all you're doing is dictating how people respond in free-discussion threads and selectively remembering what you asked for. That still makes you a numbnuts in my book. And I don't need to be flustered to assess that, just disappointed in your attitude and tone.

Kthx.

The rest of this is just ad hominem gibberish.

Originally posted by Raoul
i thought the crisis didn't apply to green lanterns?

imo, there are plenty of characters it doesn't apply to, but thats just me...

It doesn't, definitely not for the Corps. It varies for other characters.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
It doesn't, definitely not for the Corps. It varies for other characters.

thought so...

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Thor scattered his atoms, by his own words. If Creel became everything he touched, he'd turn to brick every time he got knocked into a building, or become the material of his shoes, or the air, or....

I rest my case as well.

😬

Is this a serious argument?

First of all, Thor created a tornado and Creel said "I'm absorbing the wind!!!!" Nothing exotic was used in that encounter. The fact that his "atoms were scattered" is a technicality, because Thor desisted the tornado. What happened as a result was Creel being "scattered" everywhere.

Also, I forgot to show that before that, Creel states that he "absorbed the muscle of New York- steel and concrete. And you can't beat New York, ya damned hippie!!!"

Originally posted by batdude123
You pointed out that Hal wouldn't do that in a fight against Thor (akin to CIS). I already said Hal doing that in a fight is highly improbable, so I didn't understand why you decided to echo a thought.

So, you either didn't understand the argument, or you had a very limited understanding of the discussion. Either way, it wasn't me being flustered; I was simply stating a fact. 😬

The rest of this is just ad hominem gibberish.

You never stated in your original post that it was highly improbable. Thus I could never have repeated it. You only said, "Now, this isn't me saying Hal will do this in a fight against Thor." That's hardly equatable to "Hal doing that in a fight is highly improbable." Your response was ambiguous. Sorry if I didn't read your mind. Since I didn't know that's what you actually meant, I decided to post my opinion. It's a free country. Your memory of what you actually said is selective. Which ought to embarass you, since we only have to look at the original posts to see what was actually said. I rest my case.

Kthx.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
It doesn't, definitely not for the Corps. It varies for other characters.
Respectfully disagree. The Crisis completely changed the history of the DC universe. Wonder Woman only came to Man's World much later, Superman never had all the adventures he had, etc. That level of change completely affected which adventures Hal Jordan and Guy Gardner would have had and they were erased.

Those events and thus, those feats are retconned into a separate history. This is a different retcon from the Infinite Crisis one, where reality arranged itself to fit certain pieces in and slightly change details while keeping the whole timeline intact (especially so, since the 52 Multiverse still exists). 'Crisis on Infinite Earths' erased entire characters and events from existence.

The Guardians and the Corps may be among the few who are aware of the change, but that doesn't undo the retcon. If history says certain events never happened because a new history interposed itself, then you sweep it under the rug. That's the point of pre-Crisis and post-Crisis. It's the exact same rationale as to why we disregard future divergent timelines that revert back to normal. Although Thor retains all his memories and the same power from events in 'The Reigning,' we don't acknowledge him destroying Cap's shield as canon. Although Superman and Batman retain all their memories and their powers from 'Absolute Power,' we don't regard Superman shattering Wonder Woman's bracelets as canon.

Not applying the rule backwards simply because the Guardians, Hal and Guy remember that the Crisis happened would be a double standard. And an extremely selective double standard at that. My two cents.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Superman never had all the adventures he had, etc.

Just a small note, Superman's pre-CoiE history with the Legion, and the JLA have been retroactively canon-ized.

Truth. When Geoff Johns does the same for the Green Lanterns, I'll accept it. Til then, it's speculation and a selective double standard to me.

Wait. Pre-Crisis history with the JLA also? Superman was never a founding member of the JLA since the original Crisis took effect. I know Wonder Woman was retconned back into being a founding member of the JLA in 'Infinite Crisis,' but when did Geoff Johns say that Superman's pre-Crisis history with the JLA was reinstated?