Jedi grand master luke vs dark bane

Originally posted by Darth Hord
You know that Path of Destruction Bane says that the darkside is stretched to thin due to the numbers of sith.

That had nothing to do with the personal level of power of the order, but everything to do with the ideas that Bane held of how flawed the legion system of force users was. This is the same Bane that says "if everyone is equal, nobody can be strong," you realise, yes? Don't confuse Bane's strong ideas about how the Sith should be ruled by one strong leader with how powerful the order, as a martial force, actually was.

Bane even says that their to many weak in the dark side.

Right, and 'weak' is a relative term. Bane only had himself, and his perception of how powerful Darth Revan was, to compare with. His standards were ridiculously high, not to mention, what he was saying was mostly based on how he viewed the Sith's ideals and such, not their actual personal level of power.

So with the exceptions of Bane and probably Kaism who else in the brotherhood could hold a candle to people of the likes of Windu,Yoda,etc.

Well, now you're just being ridiculous. The BoD is probably the most unexplored order of force users that's been featured in SW canon. We don't really know much about the Order at all, or the force users within that order. Trying to compare the two like you're doing is as silly as it gets.

Originally posted by FootGarment

That had nothing to do with the personal level of power of the order, but everything to do with the ideas that Bane held of how flawed the legion system of force users was. This is the same Bane that says "if everyone is equal, nobody can be strong," you realise, yes? Don't confuse Bane's strong ideas about how the Sith should be ruled by one strong leader with how powerful the order, as a martial force, actually was.

Right, and 'weak' is a relative term. Bane only had himself, and his perception of how powerful Darth Revan was, to compare with. His standards were ridiculously high, not to mention, what he was saying was mostly based on how he viewed the Sith's ideals and such, not their actual personal level of power.

Well, now you're just being ridiculous. The BoD is probably the most unexplored order of force users that's been featured in SW canon. We don't really know much about the Order at all, or the force users within that order. Trying to compare the two like you're doing is as silly as it gets. [/B]

Except we know that nobody from them ever showed anything. Aside from Zannah, Bane, Kas'im and Hoth, nobody else was worth a damn.

Originally posted by FootGarment

Right, listing names is fun and all, I love doing it too, but you still haven't shown exactly where Luke's said to move far faster than the eyes of the above individuals could see.

Right. For someone who likes to think that he knows his stuff when it comes to Star Wars, you've really managed to miss out on one key detail here Lightsnake. Force user don't rely on their eyesight to defend themselves against attacks. They rely on there force sense and precognition. The fact that they could block Bane's attacks doesn't mean that they can actually visibly see him.

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I really fail to see where it's stated that Zannah was able to visibly see Bane whilst he was fighting (primary reason being its not actually there in the passage). Post a quote and page number this time, otherwise don't bother replying.

I'm sorry, but don't be ridiculous. Switching to Jar'Kai, his less practised form, was a move out of desperation. Kas'im did it because he knew that Bane would have defeated him if he had stuck with his saber staff. The cunning smile was indicative of the fact that Kas'im had always claimed that the Jar'Kai system was flawed so as to always be in an advantageous position over his apprentices. That's it, and that's all. You make it sound like Kas'im went easy on Bane to draw him into a false sense of security, and that the plan was always to switch to his dual sabers. Again, sorry, but you're being ridiculous. Kas'im was trying to kill Bane during the part of their fight where he wielded his saber staff. The passage even states that he hoped to end their battle within the first pass. Kas'im was not 'feigning weakness.' He was going full out throughout.

Bane did not win the saber fight. You might as well say Obi-wan beat Maul when he sliced his DBL in half

Irrelevant misdirection.

We're not talking about Bane here, we're talking about the guy who he beat: Kas'im, and we're arguing about Luke's technical ability in comparison. I never claimed that Bane was anything special in saber technique, because he probably wasn't, so forming a comparison between his training and Luke's is beyond silly, and draws the topic away from the current argument. The point is, as an overall duelist, he clearly is something special, given how he was able to defeat Kas'im, who as far as technique goes, is leagues beyond Luke, and who wasn't too shoddy when it came to force or physical abilities either.

What are you talking about? Since when is "power" referring to his living armour? It's quite clearly referring to the power surge he goes through after the extra knowledge he receives. One wouldn't refer to such a thing as "power."

Firstly, Bane's lightning =/= Luke's. Given Bane's comparable strength, and the fact that his lightning is one of his primary attacks, whereas Luke's emerald lightning is used only on a small number of occasions, I doubt Luke's refinement of the ability is even approaching the level of Bane's. Not to mention that Bane'd hardly be best prepared to block it whilst focusing on generating the very attack he'd be trying to block anyway.

Again, logic points to Luke's refinement of the attack being on a far lower level than Bane's, and given that you haven't even managed to support Luke being more adept with the force than Bane, to think that one of his less used abilities would overpower a fully prepared Darth Bane is foolish.

Sure it is, but in respect to his protected body. He's not going to be leaving his head unprotected any time soon.

Completely unsupported. Get back to me when Luke can move so fast that it seems like time stops for every force user around him.

Right, because quantity is greater than quality! 👆

All you've managed to do is list as many feats as you can for Luke. Fact remains, nothing he's ever done drawfs Bane's ability to absorb energy powerful enough to destroy an entire planet, control it, and redirect it onto the entire planet. He has a few feats that even compare at best.

Nor does Bane ever do this again. Nor are anyone there but Qordis, Kopecz and Kaan worth anything resembling a damn.

Nice try, but you're distorting truth again

Who said he outmatched them all at once? All I said is that he absorbed all of their energy, which he did. The fact that they willingly gave him their energy is irrelevant. It doesn't change the fact that it came in the form of lightning that Bane had to absorb.

He did in the sense that he was able to contain the energy and not be torn apart by it.

Sure. Lue has. Many times in fact. He's more powerful than even Zonamanama Sekot. But Luke hasn't, and Luke isn't.

Yeah, I know exactly what article you're referring to here, and as proven by Advent, all that the article undeniably proves is that Luke, like pre Cyborg Anakin, had the potential to surpass Sidious in power. That's all.

And if you're going to whine how it doesn't mean 'Dark Side' power, do me a favor and shut the **** up.

Where did I say I thought he was the best? He's barely making my top ten list, and I actually rate Luke above him. [/B]

Originally posted by Gideon
Excuse the double post, in advance. 😉

It's inexcusable. Apologize now or I will kill you.

Canon isn't bound by your rules, Nebaris. LFL doesn't have to show Darth Sidious performing uberfeat after uberfeat of Force displays to cement his status as the most powerful Sith Lord in history;

I didn't say that. I was saying that fagg0t crusader had yet to show me how canon points to what he was saying.

the statement has been made multiple times in multiple sources.

That's great, however the statement has always either been ambiguous (DSSB for instance, as has already been explained), or coming from an infallible source (NEC, Heritage of the Sith, Ancients in EE, Vader in Death Star, to name a few (first two sources being in-universe))

In fact, I'd encourage you to find any source that explicitly names a Sith Lord -- other than Sidious -- as the strongest ever. You won't find one.

Sure I won't, but that doesn't really mean sh1t, considering the fact that Sidious is one of the most heavily explored Sith in the entire mythos. The fact that it's not said about any other Sith means nothing.

Though, I will point out that Sidious does have numerous feats that outstrip those of other Sith (especially the Ancient Sith, who relied on Force magic and augmentation in the form of arcana to assist them).

Prove that they relied on them. A no name Ancient from the Golden Age of the Sith (who was definitely not as powerful as Ragnos, Sadow, Kressh (given that Ragnos was stated as being the most powerful at the time of his reign, and Sadow and Kressh are directly stated as being the next two powerful), and likely Simus) was able to wipe out the life of an entire planet with one force attack. Their technology was only ever stated to help them focus their force power. They still all possessed the power required for the feats they achieved. Not to mention, the technological augmentations are still a part of their regular

Hell, according to the Dark Empire Sourcebook -- Palpatine's Force Storms "might be the most destructive Force power known" and not only can they "devour fleets" but also "rip the surfaces off worlds" -- which Bane relied on the aforementioned Brotherhood to do.

Firstly, Bane and the BoD's storm was of a far larger scale than Palpatine's force storms were ever shown to be, and secondly, the force storms, as support for Palpatine's power, are completely worthless.

1. There's no proof that Sidious can even use them in a close ranged manner without destroying himself in the process. He did, after all, canonically not possess perfect control over them, and he's never shown the level of control required.

2. It's a ritual that requires minimal amounts of force energy, which when focused onto a particular area in one's body, activates a portal of incredible power: a wormhole. It speaks nothing for actual sheer force strength.

3. The ability is canonically stated to grant its user limited control over it. It speaks nothing for Sidious' control either.

So, to recap, they're useless in these scenarios, and aren't testament to Sidious' force ability.

When you bring up a notable point, sport, we'll talk. 😉

I warned you. Kadesh is approaching you as we speak.

Originally posted by Gideon
That would require subscribing to the logic that the strength of Force users are dependent on the amount of conflict created during a set time period? While I could see that logic working for technology, that line of thought does not prove that the Brotherhood were anything special.

No one's saying that the level of conflict would have a direct effect on a being's strength in the force, Gideon, but the fact remains that conflict separates the weak from the strong, and the people who survive from near constant warfare (which is what the era entailed) are generally the strong ones of the bunch. The BoD, while not possessing large numbers of force users, would logically possess above average ones, and again, the sheer scale: hundreds of force users, speaks a great deal alone.

Likewise, didn't Luke Skywalker manhandle a Force-user whose powers were enhanced by the combined energies of the Colony?

Hardly. UnuThul, at one time, was able to mind control Luke along with another Jedi, at the same time, and was able to force push him with such force that it would have broken Luke's skull if not for the helmet he had been wearing at the time.

Also, we have no idea exactly how powerful the colony was as a whole, and exactly how it was augmenting Raynar's power.

Hell, Nebaris, according to your own list Bane ranks below Skywalker.

In force ability, it's very close imo, but yes, I would put Luke slightly above him. But, that doesn't mean that Bane can't defeat him in a saber battle, or overwhelm him in close combat in an all out fight. Not to mention that Bane's displayed an intelligence far beyond that of Luke, and it's not impossible to think that Bane might be able to use his surroundings against Luke, or know the best way to fight him.

Originally posted by FootGarment
No one's saying that the level of conflict would have a direct effect on a being's strength in the force, Gideon, but the fact remains that conflict separates the weak from the strong, and the people who survive from near constant warfare (which is what the era entailed) are generally the strong ones of the bunch. The BoD, while not possessing large numbers of force users, would logically possess above average ones, and again, the sheer scale: hundreds of force users, speaks a great deal alone.

In force ability, it's very close imo, but yes, I would put Luke slightly above him. But, that doesn't mean that Bane can't defeat him in a saber battle, or overwhelm him in close combat in an all out fight. Not to mention that Bane's displayed an intelligence far beyond that of Luke, and it's not impossible to think that Bane might be able to use his surroundings against Luke, or know the best way to fight him.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
I, Jedi. The Unifying Force, Dark Empire audiobok.

In other words: you've gone back to your lying ways. I really expected better. Those source say no such thing.

Small key detail: It says Zannah SAW him fighting.
Got that? 'Saw?' She looked and SAW Bane fighting.
Saw.
Light passed through her pupils and lenses and presented an image to her brain.

Strawman.

I addressed what you mentioned about Zannah in the following block of text. You're replying to what was addressing your assertion that a being able to compete with another force user in a lightsaber battle requires being able to see them. Own up to making a silly claim.

How about you read the fight scene again? Because at no point in the fight was Bane moving faster than all of them could see.

The fact that it was never elaborated on doesn't mean it couldn't have been happening.

Wanna prove me wrong? Do so

BoP is on you. You made the claim that Bane couldn't move faster than the eyes of force users could see in the "fight of his life." Prove up.

Foolishness.
Bane sees Kas'im's 'feral grin' and realizes exactly why Kas'im hadn't taught anyone Jar'kai: It's his best form.

No. It was so that he would have a form that his apprentices had no clue how to deal with.

He proceeds to totally outmatch Bane with it.

No more than Bane had been outmatching Kas'im just before. The only difference being that Kas'im possessed an unfair advantage in the second part of their fight.

You don't disdain to teach your students the form you're inferior with to insure the advantage.

That's not what I was even implying. It's the fact that he hid the form from his students that would make it logical that it wasn't his best form, simply because the majority of his training was spent with the apprentices. The form may have possibly been his most favoured one, but sadly, it was also his least practised one.

Kas'im was best with Jar'Kai, at worst, equal to his abilities with a DBL.

Wishful thinking at best. Not to mention the fact that even if Jar'Kai was his better form, it doesn't change the fact that not choosing to use it doesn't mean that he was feigning weakness. Kas'im's plan was to end the battle in the first pass with his double bladed lightsaber. He was not holding back in any sense of the term.

Bane forced Kas'im back, thinking he knew him too well. Kas'im proceeds to prove him wrong.

and that's part of what makes Kas'im so badass.

Bane did not win the saber fight.

He as good as did. He completely dominated the majority of the battle, toyed with Kas'im, and Kas'im even acknowledges that he had been in the position to kill him, and that he should have "when he had the chance."

You might as well say Obi-wan beat Maul when he sliced his DBL in half

Difference being that Obi-Wan hadn't been dominating Maul for the entire fight, but only for a small portion of the battle where he had been in a skill augmented rage.

Problem: he did not defeat Kas'im in a technical duel. He used trickery and the force.

I'm referring to the first battle. Bane was able to completely overwhelm him in saber combat.

And Kas'im is above Luke in 'technique?'

Yes, The guy who mastered every single form for every orthodox form of lightsaber, and spent years perfecting the moves and sequences of is above Luke in 'technique'.

Luke, who proved himself skilled enough to compete with Palpatine,

ROFL. Too bad for you that you have no idea exactly what ratio of technique, physical attributes and force ability Luke possessed when competing with him (not even mentioning that he was having his ass augmented via battle meditation at the time). Attributing that entirely to technique is beyond ridiculous.

who is stated to know every form and style,

I'd really love to here where exactly (page number) that's said. Certainly not in anything I've read.

when the playing field was even and managed to use Jar'Kai with the technique of a master,

1. Refer directly to the above.

2. You have to be a bit more than just a Master of Jar'Kai to be approaching Kas'im's level of technical ability.

and wield his saber with enough technique to defeat a veteran lightwhip user?

ROFL. Too bad for you that you have no idea exactly what ratio of technique, physical attributes and force ability Luke possessed when defeating a veteran lightwhip user. Attributing that entirely to technique is beyond ridiculous. I also fail to see how the very [at the time] barely trained Lumiya was anything special in combat.

Righto. Prove it.

The orbalisks are dark side creatures that bring power.

A gun would bring a low time thug 'power'. Would you ever directly refer to it as such without speaking metaphorically...? Which Drew certainly wasn't.

They change Bane in ways he never believed possible.
QED

And his newfound power, which is elaborated on greatly, did the exact same by making him more powerful than he ever believed he could become.

Same Luke who killed a sentient being with his lightning instantly and was easily capable of using it on Kiliks?

Please tell me how the people he's overpowering here are in any way anything worth jumping up and down and up and down about? That's right, you can't because nothing suggests that these non combat orientated beings didn't suck donkey dick. And the Vong had no defence, so the other feat is worthless as well.

When is Bane shown to use it to such degrees? Oh, right, his suddenly proficient use in the library after learning it?

There's that, plus the Storm ritual, plus numerous times in R02. It's clearly one of his primary powers. Luke, on the other hand, uses it a couple of times, and only ever overpowers nobodies with it. Nothing points to his refinement of the technique being on the same level as Bane's.

The orbalisks die when hit by lightning. FACT. Luke is a master of a lightning tecnique. FACT.

Bane can use his lightsaber to block lightning. FACT.

Whose logic? Yours? Answered above. And you're still wrong.
And considering Luke is the more powerful force user...hm.

Which you've still not supported in any way.

Which is why it's stated his fighting style is to attack viciously and wildly with no regard for personal safety and is pressed back big time on the defensive.

Hyperbole. If he had absolutely no regard for personal safety, then it's logical that the Jedi would have gone for his unprotected head once in a while rather than his protected body, which they were certainly capable of landing hits on. Again: Bane, one the smartest Sith lords there's ever been, would have to be an absolute idiot not to protect his one truly vulnerable body part.

Without the Orbalisks, Bane would never have stood to Raskta and Farfalla

Or perhaps he would have defended himself properly given the real need to.

Needless hyperbole.

Because you say so? No. Such a statement is not subject to hyperbolic description. It's a statement made with the clear intent of pointing out that their eyes didn't register to the speed behind his attack.

Luke moves so fast he absolutely vanishes from sight and clears every side of the room and back again without becoming visible and is only distinguishable by the aura of intense Dark Side power

Right, coming from the audiobook, yes? Which I've read by the way (*waits for someone to point out that you can't actually read an audio-book*), and as it turns out, it would appear that my original assumptions - that you thought you could use as obscure a source as they come to spread as many falsehoods as you wanted - were in fact true. The audiobook doesn't give you any more real information than the comic already does. None of what you've been mentioning, has actually been true.

considering they all qualify as quality, I've both

To a small degree, yes, but really, only one thing you mentioned even approaches what Bane does: the way in which Luke wedges himself in the heart of the force. That's it. The reast is on a firmly lower level. Absorbing as much energy as Bane managed to absorb indicates that his level of force strength was absolutely titanic, and definitely on Luke's level.

I think you mean 'direct' it. The BoD were in control of what they were doing. At no point is Bane showing anything but redirecting a unified effort.

ROFL! You attempt to correct something I've said, and then use the exact word in the very same context two sentences later. That's hilarious.

And no, it's "redirect," given Bane was absorbing it first and then directing it.

And again: the fact that it was a unified effort is irrelevant, as Bane still had to absorb, contain, and direct the energy.

Nor does Bane ever do this again.

He never has the need to do it again, nor does he ever really have access to such a high number of friendly force users.

Nor are anyone there but Qordis, Kopecz and Kaan worth anything resembling a damn.

Your unsupported opinion, which is irrelevant anyway given the power was still described as being able to "consume anything and everything in its path" and described to have eventually destroyed the whole of Ruusan if the ritual remained active. Even if what you say is the case, the combined energy that Bane was absorbing was still clearly on an insane level.

Nice try, but you're distorting truth again

No, that would be you, in virtually every single one of your posts.

You mean the energy they willingly gave?

Which is irrelevant. As willing as they were, they can't just make their lightning *not* lethal. They can't just direct it at a being and have it be harmless. Bane still had to absorb the lethal energy, and he does it effortlessly.

In a large Sith ritual?

Irrelevant misdirection. Doesn't say anything bad about the mastery and strength that Bane displays during the ritual.

the kind of thing that takes intense preparation and can't be done at the drop of a hat?

Irrelevant misdirection. Doesn't say anything bad about the mastery and strength that Bane displays during the ritual.

Show me some INDIVIDUAL feats without fancy rituals and we'll talk

I'll show you what I want, and list his best feat, which speaks for a level of force ability on par with Luke's.

And since when can Bane absorb lightning with his flesh covered? One dead orbalisk and Bane can no longer fight

Didn't say he would be able to, or that he could replicate the feat in the exact same way. The point I was making was that the abilities he displays are testament to great ability in the force, which is transferable through all of his abilities.

The freely given energy in time of ritual, right?
Just making sure

Irrelevant misdirection. Doesn't say anything bad about the mastery and strength that Bane displays during the ritual.

So Luke wins? Thankee

Ha.

No.

'what he was supposed to be'. IE, confirmed as the most powerful Force User ever.

In the context, he was supposed to surpass Sidious, and that was all, as Advent pointed out to you numerous times.

And more powerful than Palpatine is more powerful than Bane. Remind me who the most powerful Sith in 'over a thousand years,' 'of all time'....Never mind Palpatine, a remarkably powerful force lightning practitioner, would hand Ro2 Bane his rear end.

I've proven how flawed those quotes are countless times. I feel no real obligation to do the same again.

And if you're going to whine how it doesn't mean 'Dark Side' power, do me a favor and shut the **** up.

Sure thing. I'll pretend that power as a word is completely unambiguous and that in-universe sources are infallible, like you and everyone here does. We cool now?

Whatever you say, Nebaris. What ever you say.

You're damn right it's whatever I say.

Good god you are still embarassing yourself Noobaris.

Originally posted by FootGarment

In other words: you've gone back to your lying ways. I really expected better. Those source say no such thing.

Strawman.

I addressed what you mentioned about Zannah in the following block of text. You're replying to what was addressing your assertion that a being able to compete with another force user in a lightsaber battle requires being able to see them. Own up to making a silly claim.

The fact that it was never elaborated on doesn't mean it couldn't have been happening.

BoP is on you. You made the claim that Bane couldn't move faster than the eyes of force users could see in the "fight of his life." Prove up.

No. It was so that he would have a form that his apprentices had no clue how to deal with.

No more than Bane had been outmatching Kas'im just before. The only difference being that Kas'im possessed an unfair advantage in the second part of their fight.

That's not what I was even implying. It's the fact that he hid the form from his students that would make it logical that it wasn't his best form, simply because the majority of his training was spent with the apprentices. The form may have possibly been his most favoured one, but sadly, it was also his least practised one.

Wishful thinking at best. Not to mention the fact that even if Jar'Kai was his better form, it doesn't change the fact that not choosing to use it doesn't mean that he was feigning weakness. Kas'im's plan was to end the battle in the first pass with his double bladed lightsaber. He was not holding back in any sense of the term.

He as good as did. He completely dominated the majority of the battle, toyed with Kas'im, and Kas'im even acknowledges that he had been in the position to kill him, and that he should have "when he had the chance."

Difference being that Obi-Wan hadn't been dominating Maul for the entire fight, but only for a small portion of the battle where he had been in a skill augmented rage.

I'm referring to the first battle. Bane was able to completely overwhelm him in saber combat.

Yes, The guy who mastered every single form for every orthodox form of lightsaber, and spent years perfecting the moves and sequences of is above Luke in 'technique'.

ROFL. Too bad for you that you have no idea exactly what ratio of technique, physical attributes and force ability Luke possessed when competing with him (not even mentioning that he was having his ass augmented via battle meditation at the time). Attributing that entirely to technique is beyond ridiculous.

I'd really love to here where exactly (page number) that's said. Certainly not in anything I've read.

1. Refer directly to the above

2. You have to be a bit more than just a Master of Jar'Kai to be approaching Kas'im's level of technical ability.

ROFL. Too bad for you that you have no idea exactly what ratio of technique, physical attributes and force ability Luke possessed when defeating a veteran lightwhip user. Attributing that entirely to technique is beyond ridiculous. I also fail to see how the very [at the time] barely trained Lumiya was anything special in combat.

A gun would bring a low time thug 'power'. Would you ever directly refer to it as such without speaking metaphorically...? Which Drew certainly wasn't.

And his newfound power, which is elaborated on greatly, did the exact same by making him more powerful than he ever believed he could become.

Please tell me how the people he's overpowering here are in any way anything worth jumping up and down and up and down about? That's right, you can't because nothing suggests that these non combat orientated beings didn't suck donkey dick. And the Vong had no defence, so the other feat is worthless as well.

There's that, plus the Storm ritual, plus numerous times in R02. It's clearly one of his primary powers. Luke, on the other hand, uses it a couple of times, and only ever overpowers nobodies with it. Nothing points to his refinement of the technique being on the same level as Bane's.

Bane can use his lightsaber to block lightning. FACT.

Which you've still not supported in any way.

Hyperbole. If he had absolutely no regard for personal safety, then it's logical that the Jedi would have gone for his unprotected head once in a while rather than his protected body, which they were certainly capable of landing hits on. Again: Bane, one the smartest Sith lords there's ever been, would have to be an absolute idiot not to protect his one truly vulnerable body part.

Or perhaps he would have defended himself properly given the real need to.

Because you say so? No. Such a statement is not subject to hyperbolic description. It's a statement made with the clear intent of pointing out that their eyes didn't register to the speed behind his attack.

Right, coming from the audiobook, yes? Which I've read by the way (*waits for someone to point out that you can't actually read an audio-book*), and as it turns out, it would appear that my original assumptions - that you thought you could use as obscure a source as they come to spread as many falsehoods as you wanted - were in fact true. The audiobook doesn't give you any more real information than the comic already does. None of what you've been mentioning, has actually been true.

Right. defeating an army and ripping out the engines of a star destroyer are nothing. Nothing, no siree!

And Luke is able to absorb multiple blasts from an AT At...that aren't given to him by a bunch of insignificant weaklings.
Try again. Try harder

Originally posted by FootGarment

ROFL! You attempt to correct something I've said, and then use the exact word in the very same context two sentences later. That's hilarious.

And no, it's "redirect," given Bane was absorbing it first and then directing it.

And again: the fact that it was a unified effort is irrelevant, as Bane still had to absorb, contain, and direct the energy.

He never has the need to do it again, nor does he ever really have access to such a high number of friendly force users.

Your unsupported opinion, which is irrelevant anyway given the power was still described as being able to "consume anything and everything in its path" and described to have eventually destroyed the whole of Ruusan if the ritual remained active. Even if what you say is the case, the combined energy that Bane was absorbing was still clearly on an insane level.

Which is irrelevant. As willing as they were, they can't just make their lightning *not* lethal. They can't just direct it at a being and have it be harmless. Bane still had to absorb the lethal energy, and he does it effortlessly.

Irrelevant misdirection. Doesn't say anything bad about the mastery and strength that Bane displays during the ritual.

Irrelevant misdirection. Doesn't say anything bad about the mastery and strength that Bane displays during the ritual.

I'll show you what I want, and list his best feat, which speaks for a level of force ability on par with Luke's.

Or I'll show you Luke's uniting with Leia and baby Ani and the entire Force and channeling the entire lightside of bind Palpatine from his power, causing the force storm to redirect

Didn't say he would be able to, or that he could replicate the feat in the exact same way. The point I was making was that the abilities he displays are testament to great ability in the force, which is transferable through all of his abilities.

Irrelevant misdirection. Doesn't say anything bad about the mastery and strength that Bane displays during the ritual.

Ha.

No.

In the context, he was supposed to surpass Sidious, and that was all, as Advent pointed out to you numerous times.

I've proven how flawed those quotes are countless times. I feel no real obligation to do the same again.

Sure thing. I'll pretend that power as a word is completely unambiguous and that in-universe sources are infallible, like you and everyone here does. We cool now?

You're damn right it's whatever I say. [/B]

You're damn right it's whatever I say.

This is where you're absolutely wrong, Nebaris (but that's nothing new, eh?). It's whatever I say. And I -- your esteemed lord, master, and God -- say that you've yet to prove a damn thing. You work on improving your logic, and I give you my solemn vow that I will use my "phenomenal, cosmic powers!!1!" to remove Bane's cock from your mouth and PoD/RoT from your ass.

You will be able to swallow and walk again in no time. 😉

I don't think he'd want that, Gideon. That's against his religion.

The same way I don't like my blood taken out of my body, he doesn't like Bane's encrusted phallus and novel withdrawn from his various orifices.

Originally posted by Blax_Hydralisk
I don't think he'd want that, Gideon. That's against his religion.

The same way I don't like my blood taken out of my body, he doesn't like Bane's encrusted phallus and novel withdrawn from his various orifices.

Touche.

Hell, at the rate he's sucking, Bane's cock will likely dissolve soon, anyways.

You're right. Waste of time.

The Blaxican is always right. 🪩 Always.

I don't think bane's phallus could ever dissolve, though.

HE MOVED A MOON WITH IT!!!!!11!!

Please. Bane's orbalisk layered penis is far too large for any human's mouth to contain. But really, is that the best you can come up with after getting curbstomped in... what is it now, our last ten consecutive debates? Get back to me when you lose that old age sense of wit and can actually manage to intellectually keep up with the Nebmeister. Until then, quit the bitching.

And yes, that's right, I'm talking to you Blaxican, what now?!

Originally posted by FootGarment

No, it was the non force sensitive minions of the BoD "whom were easily killed by children who swung lightsabers like monkeys." Know what you're talking about, moron.[/B]

Originally posted by FootGarment

You've yet to support the idea that the BoD were in any way less powerful than an average order of force users, and still haven't managed to work out that the sheer number of force users would mean that the statement speaks volumes even if the order were a weak one. [/B]

Originally posted by Sylar
Read jedi vs sith [b] moron. It says your [b]wrong mr nebaris.

You're blatantly only pretending to have read JvS, just like you pretend to watch Heroes. The comic shows or states no such thing.

O rly? Remember the weakling who was sent to ruusan? Oh right that weakling was stated to be "among the strongest" in the order according to kasim and kopecz.

"Weak" is a relative term. Bane labels him weak, but then again can only form comparisons between himself and the apprentices and Masters that he had met in the Academy. This says nothing about the personal level of power of the Order as a whole. It would be like Yoda labelling one of the low level Jedi Masters "weak." Being a Master, he would be "among" the strongest, yet by your logic, that would somehow detract from the level of power of the order as a whole. It doesn't. "Weak," as I said, is a relative term, and being weak in relation to a particular collective group within the order says nothing about the Order as a whole in comparison to other's.

Again, read jedi vs sith.

Lol. You refer to PoD, and then say this. Are you high Kadesh?

Originally posted by FootGarment
Please. Bane's orbalisk layered penis is far too large for any human's mouth to contain. But really, is that the best you can come up with after getting curbstomped in... what is it now, our last ten consecutive debates? Get back to me when you lose that old age sense of wit and can actually manage to intellectually keep up with the Nebmeister. Until then, quit the bitching.

And yes, that's right, I'm talking to you Blaxican, what now?!

Well, I'm in the process of making a picture about you, if that counts.

Originally posted by FootGarment

You're blatantly only pretending to have read JvS, just like you pretend to watch Heroes. The comic shows or states no such thing.[/B]

Originally posted by FootGarment

"Weak" is a relative term. Bane labels him weak, but then again can only form comparisons between himself and the apprentices and Masters that he had met in the Academy. This says nothing about the personal level of power of the Order as a whole. It would be like Yoda labelling one of the low level Jedi Masters "weak." Being a Master, he would be "among" the strongest, yet by your logic, that would somehow detract from the level of power of the order as a whole. It doesn't. "Weak," as I said, is a relative term, and being weak in relation to a particular collective group within the order says nothing about the Order as a whole in comparison to other's.[/B]

Have a happy banning sick child.

Lol. You refer to PoD, and then say this. Are you high Kadesh? [/B][/QUOTE]