Originally posted by Thorion
You people are overrating SS....I fail to see how he'd take either of them with ease, and with Apocalypse as a partner, Surfer's going down. Hard.
There are just too many ways that surfer could take both MM and Superman.
Surfer has Precognition, Telepathy, and Cosmic Awareness, certainly not weak minded in the least.
As a cosmic entity, He can both shield himself and feed himself from cosmic energies indefinitely....his endurance >>>> team 2.
Surfer can even heal and sustain Apocalypse if somehow he were injured.
Whats to keep the Surfer from screwing around with Team 2's DNA for kicks? Or simply draining solar energies from Superman on a cellular level (similar to what he could do to the Hulk)?
One of Silver Surfer's main abilities is being able to Transmutate matter!
Surfer could also manipulate ANY ambient cosmic energies to his will. Yellow sun, red sun, green sun, white drawf star...etc and bombard Supes with it all year.
If anything Superman actually has a less chance than MM does.
Originally posted by horrorwolf
Surfer can even heal and sustain Apocalypse if somehow he were injured.
Apocalypse can heal by himself.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Well the other three are well capable of speeds that would probably make Apocalypse seem like a statue... so I don't see how it's an invalid comment. 313
Apocalypse has shown to counteract super speed.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I know... I was just preemptively covering my ass from a telling off for implying Apocalypse is useless to Surfer.
Useless in what way?
Surfer is not going to solo this.
Superman and Silver Surfer are both capable of FTL at least. MM, while I'm not so sure what he tops out at but I know he's no slouch in the speed department. Superman has superspeed fighting feats.
I can't recall anything that would lead me to believe that Apocalypse can match or counter either MM or Superman's speed capabilities though, so Surfer's on his own when it comes to that.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Superman and Silver Surfer are both capable of FTL at least. MM, while I'm not so sure what he tops out at but I know he's no slouch in the speed department. Superman has superspeed fighting feats.I can't recall anything that would lead me to believe that Apocalypse can match or counter either MM or Superman's speed capabilities though, so Surfer's on his own when it comes to that.
Yeah I know that Superman can fly at FTL speed but im not sure if this is the case when hes fighting. He can speedblitz but im not sure if hes going FTL when fighting.
Yes I know your going to say Superman is faster than Quicksilver but Apoc did pawn him pretty easily and I think (cant find the scan) he was weakened that does indicate that he could deal with soemthing alot faster
Originally posted by AlfheimIt's kind of hard to depict FTL fighting.
Yeah I know that Superman can fly at FTL speed but im not sure if this is the case when hes fighting. He can speedblitz but im not sure if hes going FTL when fighting.Yes I know your going to say Superman is faster than Quicksilver but Apoc did pawn him pretty easily and I think (cant find the scan) he was weakened that does indicate that he could deal with soemthing alot faster
You're right, I am going to say Superman is faster, about at least 35,000-175,000 times faster than Quicksilver, depending on whether the Quicksilver depicted was before or after his Isotope E exposure. Which makes Quicksilver a pretty useless example... ermm
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
It's kind of hard to depict FTL fighting.You're right, I am going to say Superman is faster, about at least 35,000-175,000 times faster than Quicksilver, depending on whether the Quicksilver depicted was before or after his Isotope E exposure. Which makes Quicksilver a pretty useless example... ermm
How do you know Superman is fighting at FTL speed?
http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/4530/08222005115613am7bx.jpg
Thats fast, but the fact is you know that he can travel at FTL speed but im asking for proof that he fights FTL.
I didn't say anything about him fighting at FTL, FTL fighting would be notoriously hard to depict on panel anyway.
The mere fact that Superman can travel at FTL, and MM can scour the Earth in seconds and keep up with the Flash in a fight, renders Apocalypse useless to Surfer. He wouldn't even see what was happening or notice if the the two managed to get Surfer hundreds of thousands of kilometers away.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I didn't say anything about him fighting at FTL, FTL fighting would be notoriously hard to depict on panel anyway.The mere fact that Superman can travel at FTL, and MM can scour the Earth in seconds and keep up with the Flash in a fight, renders Apocalypse useless to Surfer. He wouldn't even see what was happening or notice if the the two managed to get Surfer hundreds of thousands of kilometers away.
Ok i'll leave it at that.....I was stretching anyway.
Originally posted by janus77Whoa!! Dont diss Apoc my friend!! A non-jobbing Apoc would contribute to this battle.
MM and Superman wouldn't trouble Surfer in the least.
both are too slow and too vulnerable to his staggering range of powers.Apoc really does nothing here. he's pretty much insignificant really.
