Originally posted by Hitman911
Whoa!! Dont diss Apoc my friend!! A non-jobbing Apoc would contribute to this battle.
this is going to be a high speed fight and I don't think Apocalypse is going to really come in to it.
Surfer can down Superman pretty damned quickly with some kryptonite placed into Superman's chest, by way of phasing through into supes at many multiples of C.
MM will be killed with the first blast of cosmic energy or black-hole bfr'd... and it's over.
I don't see how Apocalypse would contribute, seeing as Superman wouldn't even be hurt by Apoc's attacks, and is way too fast for Apocalypse to try and mess with the solar energies. MM can go intangible and would be immune to all of Apoc's attacks (whereas Surfer would probably be able to reverse MM's intangibility by matter manipulation at the molecular/atomic level).
MM has a pretty good regenerative factor considering he's reconstituted himself from goo and carried on a conversation after being cut into pieces; and apparently phases into another dimension when he becomes intangible.
IMO it would be faster and easier for either MM or Superman to throw Apocalypse into the sun, than for Surfer to take down either Superman or Martian Manhunter, which makes the thread two against one in favor of the DC characters.
I never understood how folks always have such fawning respect for Martian Manhunter and then go ahead and hate on Apocalypse when they have basically the same power sets. 😬
Originally posted by janus77
I don't see how Apocalypse would contribute, seeing as Superman wouldn't even be hurt by Apoc's attacks
Rubbish.
Apoc stabs Supes... 131
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
IMO it would be faster and easier for either MM or Superman to throw Apocalypse into the sun
Yeah, because it's not like Apocalypse can teleport or something....
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Like how the Ikaris can teleport? Ironic, n'est-ce pas?
Eternals doesn't like to teleport, though...
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Martian Manhunter is stronger
I'd say, no, since Apoc could just enhance his strength to match the levels of MM.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
much faster, regularly becomes intangible/invisible, and actually has credible telepathy - so I really don't see the whole same powersets thing. 313
Shape-shifting? ermmnone
Sersi teleports around all the time.
Teleportation
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Yeah it's Sersi not Ikaris, but frankly if he can't teleport at will he has no business calling himself the Prime Eternal, or even Eternal.
Meh I've never seen Apocalypse do anything close to the strength feats MM has performed. Hypotheticals based on hyperbole are nice though. ermmhappy
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Sersi teleports around all the time.
[b]Teleportation
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Yeah it's Sersi not Ikaris, but frankly if he can't teleport at will he has no business calling himself the Prime Eternal, or even Eternal.[/B]
From what I've heard, Eternals prefers not to teleport, because they find the self-teleportation process physically unpleasant. They are left momentarily fatigued or dazed.
So, teleportating in a battle may not be the wisest choice for an Eternal.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Meh I've never seen Apocalypse do anything close to the strength feats MM has performed.
What are MM's greatest strength feats?
Apocalypse has shown capable of physically restraining the Heroes Reborn Hulk, who was increasingly stronger because he was tapping into the energies of the HR pocket reality and other dimensions.
Apocalypse's superhuman strength is kinda part of his shape-shifting ability, as shown here: 1 2. In a physical fight, Apocalypse would simply be difficult to keep down. As he changes his mass (such as increasing the size of his fist or himself), his strength fluctuates to great levels.
why do I always read "p-bes" when I see "supes" 😕.
umm, wasn't that Banner-Hulk that Apoc made into a Horseman?
it's the other Hulk, the one without Banner that was getting consistently stronger as a result of the nexus energies.
the merged Hulk, Prof. Hulk I guess, near the end of the arc who was emitting 2 universes worth of energies in order to keep open a dimensional portal between the pocket universe and the 616, is the only time the Banner persona got access to those powers.
I'm not sure, as I haven't read that particular story yet, but from the scans the timing seems to be prior to the merger and thus not Hulk at those levels but instead Banner-Hulk. and the Banner persona has historically (upto just a few issues prior to Planet Hulk) been known for cramping The Hulk's style...
Originally posted by janus77
why do I always read "p-bes" when I see "supes" 😕.umm, wasn't that Banner-Hulk that Apoc made into a Horseman?
it's the other Hulk, the one without Banner that was getting consistently stronger as a result of the nexus energies.the merged Hulk, Prof. Hulk I guess, near the end of the arc who was emitting 2 universes worth of energies in order to keep open a dimensional portal between the pocket universe and the 616, is the only time the Banner persona got access to those powers.
I'm not sure, as I haven't read that particular story yet, but from the scans the timing seems to be prior to the merger and thus not Hulk at those levels but instead Banner-Hulk. and the Banner persona has historically (upto just a few issues prior to Planet Hulk) been known for cramping The Hulk's style...
Originally posted by Priest
That whole Hulk incident is PIS imo.
Plus he was choking the hulk as well as "restraining" him.
Right now the Hulk has no need to breath so i can't see Apoc restraining him no longer than a minute or so.
Besides Current Hulk would rip Apoc coils out and shove it up his ass. 🙂
Originally posted by Bad Ash231From what I've seen, Eternals can teleport at the snap of a finger without ill effects. They can also phase, regenerate and have in the past reconstituted from atomization. But apparently stabbing does them in.
From what I've heard, Eternals prefers not to teleport, because they find the self-teleportation process physically unpleasant. They are left momentarily fatigued or dazed.So, teleportating in a battle may not be the wisest choice for an Eternal.
Originally posted by Bad Ash231MM has shown capable of physically restraining Orion, Wonder Woman and Big Barda simultaneously.
What are MM's greatest strength feats?Apocalypse has shown capable of physically restraining the Heroes Reborn Hulk, who was increasingly stronger because he was tapping into the energies of the HR pocket reality and other dimensions.
Apocalypse's superhuman strength is kinda part of his shape-shifting ability, as shown here: 1 2. In a physical fight, Apocalypse would simply be difficult to keep down. As he changes his mass (such as increasing the size of his fist or himself), his strength fluctuates to great levels.
Helping brace Asmodel's San Fransisco sized chariot while it burned him (after having been through other tribulations) would be another that I can recall. As well as stalemating or beating Superman-esque characters such as Captain Marvel and Triumph.
