Satanism vs. Christianity

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Objectivism's great!

...in principle ( 😛 ). But impossible to determine, like any attempt at wholly objective truth.

Amusingly, Rand herself went bat-sh*t crazy toward the end of her life and created herself to be the final word on any subject. Objectivism was true, and she was its ultimate seer on any topic. Once she determined "truth" anyone within her circle of friends (almost cult-ish by the end of her life) who disagreed would be expelled.

I have slightly less problem with the ethical egoism she set up as her moral philosophy. It's not too far from some statements in the Satanic Bible, though more eloquent (she was a good writer, if nothing else). But problems with the existence of a "self," and the dualism created by setting things up as either altruistic or selfish, lead me to sour to that idea as well.

wow..never thought there'd be this many ppl

Originally posted by Bardock42
Why, do you want your mind to be changed?

I like being challenged. That is the point of arguments. I don't like to read opinions by themselves. I can think of opinions by myself. I prefer to listen to the reasons behind the opinions.

For example, anyone could formulate an opinion that the earth was formed from a yellow orange fathered by our sun, and it wouldn't be very interesting to me personally. But if somebody could give me the logic behind that belief, I would be very interested. It probably wouldn't change my opinion that the earth was formed by an evolutionary process erupting from a big bang, but I would be interested.

Likewise, when somebody says this...

Originally posted by Bardock42
God's ways are mysterious my ass, they are just cruel and stupid. Like the mother****er himself.

...as too many on KMC already have, I don't agree with that particular somebody. But as a practitioner of a religion based off of God, I'm interested to know how you would support such a statement about a figure whose image has so much to do with the quality of my life.

Originally posted by Quark_666
...as too many on KMC already have, I don't agree with that particular somebody. But as a practitioner of a religion based off of God, I'm interested to know how you would support such a statement about a figure whose image has so much to do with the quality of my life.

easy to defend. a vague figure from the past sets hazy guidelines and expects you to follow them or face torture for eternity. now perhaps satan ramming u in the ass is what you'd like, but personally im good with just not existing.

besides god is extremely duplicitos(new fav word??) saying he has "eternal love" yet he condems his creations to suffer. sorry but when you love someone you dont send them to be tortured. i could go on...if you like

Originally posted by Quark_666
I like being challenged. That is the point of arguments. I don't like to read opinions by themselves. I can think of opinions by myself. I prefer to listen to the reasons behind the opinions.

For example, anyone could formulate an opinion that the earth was formed from a yellow orange fathered by our sun, and it wouldn't be very interesting to me personally. But if somebody could give me the logic behind that belief, I would be very interested. It probably wouldn't change my opinion that the earth was formed by an evolutionary process erupting from a big bang, but I would be interested.

Likewise, when somebody says this...

...as too many on KMC already have, I don't agree with that particular somebody. But as a practitioner of a religion based off of God, I'm interested to know how you would support such a statement about a figure whose image has so much to do with the quality of my life.

Originally posted by chickenlover98
easy to defend. a vague figure from the past sets hazy guidelines and expects you to follow them or face torture for eternity. now perhaps satan ramming u in the ass is what you'd like, but personally im good with just not existing.

besides god is extremely duplicitos(new fav word??) saying he has "eternal love" yet he condems his creations to suffer. sorry but when you love someone you dont send them to be tortured. i could go on...if you like

That would be kind of pointless since my religion doesn't believe God sends people to eternal torment anyway, huh?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Degrees_of_glory
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outer_Darkness

Originally posted by Bardock42
Well, I can explain to you very well why I think that the fictional character God, many Christians believe in, would be cruel and not mysterious if the feats ascribed to him were true. Is that what you want?

Any one of us can do that. I've heard millions of them. Good heavens, I've read posts of all sizes, shapes and colors by Digi, Leon and you, and I could still have added more support to them. I've read some convincing atheist books as well.

None of them actually mattered to me because most your points were based off of catholic, evangelical or protestant beliefs. I'm Mormon, remember? Even experienced anti-Mormons don't try to act like the Mormon version of God is unreasonable. Sure, they attack the Book of Mormon or Joseph Smith a lot, but the only argument I've heard against the Mormon view of God is that it doesn't correlate with Catholic beliefs.

But my point was more about your aggressive attack on a religious figure whose status is by no means set in stone. I would also have been annoyed if you'd blatantly insulted Muhammad or Buddha or some religious figure because I'm not particularly tolerant of religious intolerance.

Originally posted by Quark_666
That would be kind of pointless since my religion doesn't believe God sends people to eternal torment anyway, huh?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Degrees_of_glory
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outer_Darkness

Any one of us can do that. I've heard millions of them. Good heavens, I've read posts of all sizes, shapes and colors by Digi, Leon and you, and I could still have added more support to them. I've read some convincing atheist books as well.

None of them actually mattered to me because most your points were based off of catholic, evangelical or protestant beliefs. I'm Mormon, remember? Even experienced anti-Mormons don't try to act like the Mormon version of God is unreasonable. Sure, they attack the Book of Mormon or Joseph Smith a lot, but the only argument I've heard against the Mormon view of God is that it doesn't correlate with Catholic beliefs.

But my point was more about your aggressive attack on a religious figure whose status is [B]by no means set in stone. I would also have been annoyed if you'd blatantly insulted Muhammad or Buddha or some religious figure because I'm not particularly tolerant of religious intolerance. [/B]

actually quark, i had no idea you were mormon. btw ive been wonderin doesnt the mormon religion state that only 144,000 mormons get into heaven? if this is true WHY THE **** WOULD U BE CONVERTING MORE PEOPLE!!?!?!?!?!?!?!

Originally posted by chickenlover98
doesnt the mormon religion state that only 144,000 mormons get into heaven?

Who told you that one? 😆

Originally posted by Quark_666
That would be kind of pointless since my religion doesn't believe God sends people to eternal torment anyway, huh?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Degrees_of_glory
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outer_Darkness

Any one of us can do that. I've heard millions of them. Good heavens, I've read posts of all sizes, shapes and colors by Digi, Leon and you, and I could still have added more support to them. I've read some convincing atheist books as well.

None of them actually mattered to me because most your points were based off of catholic, evangelical or protestant beliefs. I'm Mormon, remember? Even experienced anti-Mormons don't try to act like the Mormon version of God is unreasonable. Sure, they attack the Book of Mormon or Joseph Smith a lot, but the only argument I've heard against the Mormon view of God is that it doesn't correlate with Catholic beliefs.

But my point was more about your aggressive attack on a religious figure whose status is [B]by no means set in stone. I would also have been annoyed if you'd blatantly insulted Muhammad or Buddha or some religious figure because I'm not particularly tolerant of religious intolerance. [/B]

Yes, they were based on Catholic and Evangelical views of God. No sane person talks about your Mormon god when they refer to God...and I am sorry, but insulting an evil and mean character from a book, whether that character is based in truth or not is not religious intolerance. It is my opinion of the character. If I would discriminate against Christians because they like that *******, that might be intolerant, I don't, I just treat them like someone who thinks Britney Spears is the best musician ever. Unless you want to accuse me of musical intolerance, because I don't believe that someone that can't play an instrument, doesn't write their own music and sings mediocre at best is a great musician, I think I can call a character (God) evil, harmful and mean for killing multiple people throughout his development in multiple books, creating a choice between ultimate pain and ultimate salvation and making it impossible for many to achieve the salvation, as well as hiding his existence as well as possible, creating the ultimate "evil" that tries to destroy and harm his creation he apparently loves so much and setting his creation in an harmful environment with the ability to feel unimaginable pain for no good reason whatsoever. I am sorry, mysterious just doesn't cut it here, that's like saying Palpatine's ways are mysterious....Sauron's ways are mysterious....it's not, they are evil, mean and harmful towards all kinds of people. I am not intolerant, I just look at the literature given and evaluate it by reasonable standards.

Originally posted by XvampbenjiiX666
wow..never thought there'd be this many ppl

It's the internet. People bone like rabbits and they all have broadband.

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Originally posted by DigiMark007
It's the internet. People bone like rabbits

You wish 😐

anyway people, theres alot of good stuff in here...i'm out of shit for now

Originally posted by XvampbenjiiX666
anyway people, theres alot of good stuff in here...i'm out of shit for now

Aw...just get involved with these debates and you'll learn to maintain an endless supply!

Originally posted by Bardock42
No sane person talks about your Mormon god when they refer to God...

Well, I guess that settles it. We're talking about two entirely different beings here I suppose.

Maybe I'll even consider the possibility of resolving to quit dishing you BS...now that I know you like being thought of as a sane person!

Originally posted by Quark_666
Who told you that one? 😆

o thats not true??? 😮 ive heard that from many people o well. bad chicken lover, BAD 😠

Originally posted by Quark_666
Well, I guess that settles it. We're talking about two entirely different beings here I suppose.

Maybe I'll even consider the possibility of resolving to quit dishing you BS...now that I know you like being thought of as a sane person!

Besides, you knew I meant the Christian God from the start.

Originally posted by Bardock42
I didn't say I am a sane person.

Besides, you knew I meant the Christian God from the start.

silly bardock we already knew u were a mass murderer 😆

They both claim to enjoy destroying for their good pleasure.

Originally posted by Bardock42
I didn't say I am a sane person.

Besides, you knew I meant the Christian God from the start.

Yeah, it's about time I confess I'm just giving you BS. 😮

Originally posted by chickenlover98
o thats not true??? 😮 ive heard that from many people o well. bad chicken lover, BAD 😠

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