Do the Marvel and Dc multiverses exist within the same creation?

Originally posted by Utrigita
I'm sure you wish him the best of luck 😉.

Yet how it is that you handbooks is correct and masters wrong???

And Please don't say because Presence and TOAA are the same, then the scan isn't usuable.

And how will you explain marvels own site where it states that things that occur in the 616 reality are having omniversal significans, by Marvels own diffinition it would mean that things that occur in Marvel will have effect in oure world.

No offence, but if you're going to debate in a thread it makes sense to read the content of the thread first.

Your first point was handled here:

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Ommission doesnt equate to a change of thought.

My bio was a book on dimensions, yours was a small part of a character/team bio. Therefore its common sense that mine would be more in depth on the matter.

If your bio contained a statement stating that Marvel had its own omniverse independent to any other companies, then you'd have justification for highlighting the fact that your bios are a year or two more recent than mine.

As it stands, the point is irrelevant. 🙂

The statement i posted was never contradicted by any Mr Masters showed. Mr Masters handbook excerpts weren't wrong they just didn't do what he wanted them to do, which was prove my handbook statement wrong.

As for your second point, a great deal of Marvel.com is fan generated. I am a member if i could be bothered to build up member points then i could edit and have posted my opinion.

As for your comment regarding events of omniversal significance occurring in Marvel, regardless of how stupid you think it, that is the definition given by Marvel. Of course what happens in X-men or Avengers isn't gonna happen in the real world, but thats the definition given.

Berate it all you want, but us readers do not dictate continuity, we can only highlight it as and when it is presented by Marvel. I have presented a statement and highlighted other official sources which support it.

I have not presented a bunch of comic scans and posted with them my opinion of why what Marvel has said is stupid 👇

Hate it or love it, Marvel has spoken. Its a horrible quality to be so arrogant as to try and sway a comic book forum to ignore official statements in favour of your opinion on how continuity should be. ❌

Originally posted by Galan007

For all who are still curious,
Here are the excerpts we are referring to,
from the last page of the latest issue of Exiles:

"The Omniverse ... There are infinite MULTIverseS inside it"

Galan shut this thread down a while ago.

That excerpt from the Writers of Marvel comics in a 2008 issue
cements what I was stating from the beginning.

AGAIN ...

ONLY Omniverse I know of that has infinite MULTIverseS

is Marvel's Omniverse!!!

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Well ... if Galan's find (from the questionnaires addressed to the "Writers themselves)
wasn't enough for the obtuseness at hand,
perhaps this On Panel corroboration/confirmation will be.

Yet another source from a completely separate Title/Arc/Team ... but from Marvel,
sayin the SAME exact shit as the relevance in Galan's scans:

(Goblin Queen/Beyonder's essence) ... like I said, ONLY Marvel's Omniverse!!!!

"The Beyonder Walks amongst us ... He will Destroy Everything"

"The MultiverseS ...

the Past ... the Present ... the Yet to Be ... will ALL be Destroyed"

✅

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Hmm ... perhaps just the term MultiverseS on its own isn't enough.

Meh, how's this then ...

"In the Countless MultiverseS you (Alex) alone are unique"

"So much Power in such a small mind ...

we could have Conquered the MultiverseS together ...

Now I will have to do it alone"

whistling

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Meh, and like the Winter (2007) Official Marvel Handbooks (Glossary of Terms)

clearly confirms,

it was Marvel's TOAA that CREATED This Omniverse containing infinite MULTIverseS

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1. Omniverse

2. TOAA

1. "Group of alternate universeS which encompasses ALL Reality"

2. The entity believed to be the Supreme being/Creator of the Omniverse"

Unless TOAA Created DC the "real World" and all other verseS in other companies,
Marvel MUST have their own Omniverse. 🙂

If you admit that TOAA created DC every other company plus the "Real World" (us)

I'll concede.

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yawn ... this thread, while entertaining in its attempt, has been shut down.

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Winter (2007) Official Marvel Handbooks (Glossary of Terms)

ALSO ... clearly confirms,

There you have the Omniverse definition and TOAA's.

Also notice the "New Universe" is just another Marvel Alternate Earth,
interesting when we know it's located withIN ANOTHER Multiverse.
(that's the one Quasar visited)

New Universe

"Alternate Earth (Earth-148611)
on which most superhumans abilities were granted by the STAR BRAND"

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Here's Quasar in ANOTHER Marvel Multiverse OUTISDE the Prime Multiverse.

Quasar interacting with D.L.P. (hero team) OUTSIDE the Prime Multiverse in the NEW UNIVERSE:

"in 1986 ... folks began developing paranormal abilities ... it was called STAR BRAND"

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Do not be fooled by intransigence yall,

Quasar WAS OUTSIDE the Prime Multiverse ...
in ANOTHER Multiverse that houses the New Universe (an Alternate Marvel Earth)

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(PROOF) ... 100% Canon ... in the Winter 2007 Official Marvel Handbooks:

The Watcher and Her,
are searching for Quasar who Quantum Jumped out of the 616 Multiverse
into the Multiverse that houses the New Universe.

"He is somewhere Beyond the Mutliverse of Dimensions"

"What's Beyond the Multiverse?"

"Beyond the Multiverse Exists an Omniverse, a Continuum of MultiverseS"

Watcher goes on to say it has never been proven.

But let's proceed.

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"I refuse to believe you (Quasar) are dead, you must be in the Omniverse"

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Quasar returns to the 616 Multiverse

"I know atleast it's the right Multiverse"

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In the end, the Marvel Omniverse is confirmed ON PANEL:

"You went Outside the Multiverse into the greater Omniverse"

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"You went Outside the Multiverse into the greater Omniverse"

Hmm ... where one of the MANY Marvel "Alternate Earths" (New Universe) are found.

AGAIN!!!

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Official Marvel Handbook clip - 2008 - Exiles BIO ...

"Exiles teamed with Excalibur,
to stop Jaspers & the Fury from destroying the Omniverse"

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So Jaspers was going to destroy DC, all other companies plus the "Real World"

hum

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And HERE is that Omniverse they are talking about On Panel: (artistically illustrated)

(Winter 2007)

The WRITER states:

"Not long ago, the Omniverse was swept
by a Temporal Reality Wave of unimaginable power,
that literally tore the Continuum to bits and Re-arranged it"

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That's the Chaos Wave (Wanda's Reality Warp) they're referring to,
it destroyed the Marvel Omniverse before rebuilding the Omniverse afterwards.

Did the Chaos Wave destroy DC, other companies, and the "Real World"

durznuts

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bangin

http://www.marvel.com/universe/Marvel_Universe

"Although considered the “prime reality” in which events of Universal significance occur

(and, indeed, Megauniversal and/or Omniuniversal significance),

This Reality is designated as number 616 (thus, “Earth-616”) ... "

swank

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This is why this can happen:

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Uatu and the Watcher realized
that nanoseconds after the 616 Reality dies,
the Omniverse will die:

"After my last report however, we were forced to reinspect our fundamental principles.

We concluded that the destruction of This Universe,
while still bounded by the speed of light,
would occur within an expanding simultaneity, which would,
paratemporally, have begun immediately following the initial
nanoseconds of This Universe.

And then it would Expand outward from This Universe ...
we call it 616 ... to engulf All Others ... "

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Dr Stange is confused with the Uatu's explanation,
so Uatu tells him in plain engilsh the fact concerning the significance
of the 616 Reality:

Dr Strange says,

"I do not understand ... please explain more simply"

Uatu explains more simply,

"If your World Dies now, Stephen, it will take Everything with it.

Not only This Universe (616) but All the Other UniverseS as well.

Everything there is, will End.

Or rather put it even more simply, Everything will never have been"

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Is this a fluke? Not at all folks.

Here we are in yet another title where the same thing is stated,
by Ute:

"Or THIS, the Prime Reality (616) will fall and with it ... ALL EXISTENCE"

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If Reality/Universe 616 dies ... the entire Marvel Omniverse dies. thankyou

Originally posted by 123KID
i love it
NO ONE agrees with him
everyone says he's wrong
but he's proclaiming victory

Galan shut this thread down before he needed to find irrifutable evidence,
that Marvel possess an Omniverse that consist of "Infinite MultiverseS"

Originally posted by Galan

One could say that the whole of Marvel = an Omniverse, and the whole of DC = an Omniverse,

and these two Omniverses can exist together at certain times,

[ie. when crossovers occur],

to form a greater Omniverse,

[which follows the 'greater levels of infinity' concept in comics]....

But I wouldn't say that they are perma-linked to the same general creation,

ALL of the time -- or else you'd have Marvel characters affecting DC, and vice versa..

Would that make sense? ❌

I refuse to believe Roma can destroy Universes in DC with the CN,
and that Superman saved DC AND Marvel by vibrating.

Originally posted by Mr Master

Which is precisely why they have their separate Omniverses,
where one can never influence the other.

Only in consonant cross-overs,
are the Two realities ever of any significance to each other,
this significance of course, remains contained withIN the cross-over.

i have a question for GS
You frequently accuse Mr. M of speculating and misinterpreting things with no proof
but you yourself speculate the Presence and TOAA are the same being with ZERO proof only to try and gloss over the scan flatly declaring TOAA made the omniverse

Galans scan said the omniverse consists of infinite universes and infinite multiverses.

How does that equate to, Marvel and DC exist in separate omniverses, or Marvel has its own omniverse? 😕

It doesn't 🙂

This writers opinion merely supports what the official source stated which was that the omniverse is a collection of all realities including those of all other comic book companies.

Simple. 🙂

The rest was a repost of what has been handled before numerous times in this thread.

I'm still waiting for your official statement. A statement directly on the issue that is NOT open to interpretation.

My statement i presented says Marvels collection of realities exists in the omniverse alongside those of other comic book companies.

I don't want to see open to interpretation, ambiguous comic book scans which surprise surprise you're telling us supports YOUR OPINION.

To counter what i've presented, the word of Marvel is required. Your opinion doesn't is negligible (http://dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?key=53314&dict=CALD)

Originally posted by 123KID
i have a question for GS
You frequently accuse Mr. M of speculating and misinterpreting things with no proof
but you yourself speculate the Presence and TOAA are the same being with ZERO proof only to try and gloss over the scan flatly declaring TOAA made the omniverse

I never said Presence are and TOAA are the same thing.

I said Marvel and DC agree that their collection of realities are both within the same omniverse. Marvel says TOAA created, DC say The Presence.

That doesn't prove the statement wrong. They've said it, they've shown it by making a number of crossovers canon. Marvels handbook writers sites talk of the matter.

What that point should do is make you question what if any relationship exists between the Presence and TOAA. Are they one and the same being represented differently to each collection of realities? Who knows? We don't because the companies haven't told us.

But that doesn't change what we have been told. And that is that they exist in the same omniverse. Us not knowing the answer to something we haven't been told doesn't change that.

I will not answer that question again. 🙂

Valid as ever 😱

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
So you can keep posting scans of a character talking of multiple multiverses within Marvel, does that prove me wrong or change Marvels official statement? ❌

Multiple multiverses do NOT equate to an omniverse, an omniverse is everything and given that JLA/Avengers is canon, Marvel can NOT be an omniverse unto itself.

You can post scans of characters talking about potentially being able to destroy or affect the omniverse, but does that change Marvels statement? ❌

Marvel can do what it wants say what it wants with regards to the omniverse, just as long as they don't feature another comic book companies property by reference or artistic depiction.

I've even directed you to a portion on Marvel.com and the Handbook writers talking of the matter on marvunapp.com and agreeing they are within the same omniverse but saying they don't interact all of the time due to the legal implications and thats its only through agreed crossovers that they can.

Your whole argument is opinion based. Parading around scans and interpreting them to suit your argument doesn't change a thing.

My argument is based on a direct conclusive statement from Marvel. It is based on Handbooks referring to crossovers and canon comic books featuring the events of said crossovers.

What you have shown is not good enough. 😬

Damn. Maybe you are worst than nvrbeenwthagirl.

Originally posted by Air Legend
Damn. Maybe you are worst than nvrbeenwthagirl.

And maybe you should join Mr Master in his search for something significant to post in this thread. 🙂

What if DC says they're not? I think at best that'd give Marvel universes that are like DC's, the real world, tv shows, etc in every single way but aren't those things.

Originally posted by Doctor-Alvis
What if DC says they're not? I think at best that'd give Marvel universes that are like DC's, the real world, tv shows, etc in every single way but aren't those things.

So far as i've shown, the JLA/Avengers crossover made it into the pages of JLA where the story was continued.

Marvel says its the case, it says that the omniverse is NOT just made of their collection of realities.

DC makes the crossover canon.

That doesn't answer the question.

The omniverse is a collection of ALL universes, all multiverses and all the megaverses. Including but not limited to Marvel, DC, Image, Dark Horse, Archie, Harry Potter, Lord of the Rings, Star Wars, Star Trek, Dragonlance, including all the fanfiction out there in each of their own universes, all trhe bad fanfiction exists within their own. even the real one would be part of the omniverse of which there is only one. Don't be fooled by any of the companies misusing the term, the comics are shown to us by storytellers who quite frequently misuse terms. This does not changw the nature of the way things are. Marvel or DC or whomever refering to something in a way doesn't make it that way. for example there was an instance of Storm using Solar Winds to fly. Solar winds are just discharges from the sun, and not actual wind. it was later retconned to her using her jetpack. They've also refered to Jubilee's powers as pyrokinetic, when she does not have anything to do with flame or fire. Plasma is an ionized gas not fire nor flames. This does not keep them from misuing the term.

Likewise even them misuising the term 'omniverse' does not mean that they were actually doing anything to the omniverse.

Originally posted by Creshosk
[B]The omniverse is a collection of ALL universes, all multiverses and all the megaverses. Including but not limited to Marvel, DC, Image, Dark Horse, Archie, Harry Potter, Lord of the Rings, Star Wars, Star Trek, Dragonlance, including all the fanfiction out there in each of their own universes, all trhe bad fanfiction exists within their own. even the real one would be part of the omniverse of which there is only one.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Likewise even them misuising the term 'omniverse'
does not mean that they were actually doing anything to the omniverse.

In fact, the Marvel Omniverse has been damaged entirely
]ever since the Exiles were created,
in fact, that WHY they were assembled,
to fix Realities across the infinite Marvel Omniverse.
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On Panel the Marvel Omniverse was artistically depcited,
as in illustrated (not just characters or even writers making statements)

Is there another Omniverse out there that represents another significance?

I don't know, and I don't care.

Does Marvel refer to their Reality as an Omniverse
that encompasses "Countless MultiverseS?"

Without a doubt.

🥷

stoned