Do the Marvel and Dc multiverses exist within the same creation?

Originally posted by manjaro
ok, ok, ok let Jaro end this once for all...at least hopefully.....ppl c'mon look within yourselves and look real deep. of all the comic companies out there Marvel has been the only one taking an over the top approach to cosmic stuff. Marvel has been the only one throwing around the word omniverse rather willy-nilly-ly...Marvel has been the one to take it upon themselves to literally "write the book" on extra,pan, and omni dimensional adventures

another thing you gotta ask yorself about these aforementioned crossvers is that all of them were spearheaded by marvel comics with DC's permission to use thier intellectual property...its only the JLA/Avengers thing that was a true joint venture where both entities went in to cash in. in fact all the canonical remnants are always brought up by Marvel characters..LT primarily. to my knowledge only mxy in DC has made a passing remark of his time in the MU...talking about his adventure with his "fantastic friends".

what does this mean to Jaro? its simple......MU has its own Omniverse, only a damn fool would believe otherwise....even if we wanted to go there and say ok its more than one comic company, thus far Marvel has only done canonical crossvers with DC and Image(Invincible) so at the very least even if one wanted to stretch, thats still just three companies. not all of them put together like some less enlightened posters have been imagining....thats asenine. however, as we have seen when a particular arc requires it, both companies act like they are a part of the same uni, but thats as far as it usually goes. other than a passing refernece there never is a lasting effect on either universes

I would go over to thier HQ and punch them in the freaking mouth if i was starting my own comic company only to find that that marvel has lumped mine in thier omniverse. that doesnt make any freaking sense...who is the one that gave them the authority to do that? at the end of the day as ive always said this omniversal stuff should not be taken so literally, or seriously for that matter..time and time again we've seen that this is marvel's baby. nobody gives a damn about this stuff more than they do, so you all or rather we all should just let it go...

* shakes head at how mad rant falls on deaf ears *
sadwalk

Anywho, kinda of post is expected from a true debater. (unbiased reaoning)

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Originally posted by Kerr Avon
Comic writer statement at ComixFan is > than On Panel Bios at Marvel.com
which fans can modify.

Actually dude,

my Bio info comes from Official Marvel Handbooks, not websites like yourself.

My On Panel info, comes from Marvel Comics, published by Marvel.

My website info, comes from Marvel.com the company's official site,
I challenge to go and try to edit something,
anything, from the Two pages I posted form Marvel's site.

That's a huge misconception,
no one can alter the info at Marvel.com,
only Company staff.
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After you claimed,

Comixfan > On Panel in Marvel comics, Official Marvel Handbook Bios, Marvel.com

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😆 ... You expect me to take you serious?

Respect is earned, and "one post" man has a long way to go.

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Originally posted by manjaro
wow i never ben on ignore before...im all broken up

Can you tell me where your bio info stated that there were separate omniverses?

Because if i'm not mistaken none of your evidence states that, none of your evidence conclusively shows that.

I've provided a statement that specifically addresses the matter.

I've shown the point is canon for both companies.

I've linked to statements from the handbook writers explaining that regular depiction or reference of DC's properties is restricted by copyright.

In light of that, to be anything but a waste of time, what is required is a similarly conclusive statement and set of comic scans. Not ones with a vague reference of the term "omniverse" accompanied by YOUR OPINION of how they answer the threads question.

Keep up the search, its been a few weeks now but persevere. 👆

Until then, away with you. bye

😱

Bottomline ... Marvel Official Handbook Glossary of terms - Winter 2007

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1. Omniverse

2. TOAA

1. "Group of alternate universeS which encompasses ALL Reality"

2. The entity believed to be the Supreme being/Creator of the Omniverse"

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SIX On Panel depictions of the Marvel Omniverse! (actually Illustrated)

These aren't just statements, or references ...

Marvel literally depicted it's Omniverse On Panel

..........................................................................

Earth X Trilogy - (2000)

"The Omniverse"

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Infinity Abyss - (2002)

"An Infinity beyond Infinity"

..........................................................................

Exiles - (Mid 2007)

"I offer the Omniverse"

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X-Men Die by the Sword - (Late 2007)

"Not long ago, the Omniverse was swept
by a Temporal Reality Wave of unimaginable power,
that literally tore the Continuum to bits and Re-arranged it"

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Exiles - (2008)

"Those lights we've been assuming was a star, just as we see from Earth,
they represent entire Dimensions.

I think that's a representation of the entire Omniverse,
we're looking at All Creation"

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Exiles (2008)

"Crystal Palace ... home of the Exiles ...
when they look up into the sky at night at what they believe are Stars ...
... it turns out they're really beholding Entire DimensionS,
the WHOLE, incredible panoply (collection) of the Omniverse ...
... right before their eyes"

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Keep on searching son 🙂

Your reposts will not get you anywhere. 🙂

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Your reposts will not get you anywhere.

But evidently True debaters agreed with me,
that's all that counts.

All of your scans show the omniverse from Marvels perspective. Given that:

Marvel exists within an omniverse that it admits it shares with DC

Marvel.com and marvunapp have articles detailing that same point and the fact that interaction between the two is limited by copyright

why do you think that scans of the omniverse from Marvels perspective do anything but look pretty on my monitor? 😕

Goodnight Mr Master.

Work in the morning.

I will be on tomorrow to laugh at your regurgitated bullshit

Ciao 😱

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
All of your scans show the omniverse from Marvels perspective. Given that:

Marvel exists within an omniverse that it admits it shares with DC

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Marvel.com and marvunapp have articles detailing that same point and the fact that interaction between the two is limited by copyright

Let's alos ignore that the Winter 2007 Glssary of terms states,
that the New Universe is alos located in ANOTHER Multiverse.

Freakin hypocrite!

Marvunapp, is respected,
but Marvunapp will NEVER be > Marvel Comics On Panel,
or official Marvel Handbooks, or Marvel.com

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
why do you think that scans of the omniverse from Marvels perspective do anything but look pretty on my monitor?

You've completely ignored the Fact that the Exiles were assembled
because Aliens messing with the Crystal Palace damaged the entire Marvel Omniverse,
you've also completely ignored
that the Chaos Wave completely "tore to pieces and rebuilt" the Marvel Omniverse.

Typical, but I was expecting a surprise in the midst of so much evidence.

Jeesh ...

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Goodnight Mr Master.

Work in the morning.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
I will be on tomorrow to laught at your regurgitated bullshit

I promise I won't laugh behind your back like the others do.

Originally posted by Mr Master
My website info, comes from Marvel.com the company's official site,
I challenge to go and try to edit something,
anything, from the Two pages I posted form Marvel's site.

That's a huge misconception,
no one can alter the info at Marvel.com,
only Company staff.

I'm not the one suffering from a huge misconception. The bio section is a wikipedia, and can be altered by regular posters who have accumulated enough points. But in any case, go check Marvel.com's Glossary, letter O

"Omniverse
The collection of every single universe, dimension, reality, etc. This includes the real world, as well as the Marvel Universe, the Star Trek Universe, the Image Universe, etc. "

and the Marvel Universe page you linked to before.

"Omniverse is EVERY reality, including those published by other companies. "

Originally posted by Mr Master
After you claimed,

Comixfan > On Panel in Marvel comics, Official Marvel Handbook Bios, Marvel.com

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😆 ... You expect me to take you serious?

Handbook writer explicit statement > wikipedia site bios. Doesnt matter what site either is on.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Bottomline ... Marvel Official Handbook Glossary of terms - Winter 2007

.............................................................................................................

1. [B]Omniverse

2. TOAA

1. "Group of alternate universeS which encompasses ALL Reality"

2. The entity believed to be the Supreme being/Creator of the Omniverse"

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1. ALL reality. Not all reality except the bits Marvel doesnt own. This evidence works against your case, not for it.
2. Believed to be. So he might not be. And even if TOAA is the creator of the entire omniverse, whats stopping him being the creator of the DC universe too, under a different name? God = Allah = Yahweh. Different names, apparently the same being.

Originally posted by Mr Master
[B]SIX On Panel depictions of the Marvel Omniverse! (actually Illustrated)

These aren't just statements, or references ...

Marvel literally depicted it's Omniverse On Panel

..........................................................................

Earth X Trilogy - (2000)

"The Omniverse"

..........................................................................

Infinity Abyss - (2002)

"An Infinity beyond Infinity"

..........................................................................

Exiles - (Mid 2007)

"I offer the Omniverse"

..........................................................................

Exiles - (2008)

"Those lights we've been assuming was a star, just as we see from Earth,
they represent entire Dimensions.

I think that's a representation of the entire Omniverse,
we're looking at All Creation"

Exiles (2008)

"Crystal Palace ... home of the Exiles ...
when they look up into the sky at night at what they believe are Stars ...
... it turns out they're really beholding Entire DimensionS,
the WHOLE, incredible panoply (collection) of the Omniverse ...
... right before their eyes"

So the panels show the omniverse, do they? Nope! They show bits of the omniverse. The handbook writer at ComixFan pointed that out. We don't get to see all of the omniverse in a single panel. If you claim that anything not seen in those panels isnt part of the omniverse then theres lots of Marvel realities which can't be part of the omniverse, because they arent represented in the pictures you linked to, and theres no way you can argue that.

Originally posted by Mr Master X-Men Die by the Sword - (Late 2007)

"Not long ago, the Omniverse was swept
by a Temporal Reality Wave of unimaginable power,
that literally tore the Continuum to bits and Re-arranged it"

................................................................................................................. [/B]

The handbook writer shot that down too. Since you can't be bothered to go read what he says, I'll copy it here.

"Ignoring the option of hyperbole for a moment, first, there's the note that everything was eventually put back the way it was - which means that if HoM did have a ripple effect across all realities and changed (for example) Bananaman's reality, since everything got put back to normal after a while, then Bananaman isn't likely to have noticed what happened.

Also, we again hit the fact that the Omniverse is infinite; what was a tsunami rushing over the Marvel multiverse was likely a small ripple by the time it hit the more distant parts of the Omniverse (such as the realities owned by other companies). We are told the Continuum got tore into pieces - but how big were those pieces? At the distant edges of the damage, we could find that entire megaverses were moved around, but that nothing inside those megaverses got rearranged relative to one another. Who was going to notice that for the duration of HoM the realtive interdimensional locations of the Star Wars multiverse and the Star Trek multiverse had changed?"

seems like we are trying to redefine the word omniverse.

Originally posted by xjustice69x
seems like we are trying to redefine the word omniverse.

Depends on who you think is trying to redefine it. Mark Grunwald apparently came up with the word and used it as the name of his fanzine which discussed both Marvel and DC. So it seems to me that it has always been meant to include more than just Marvel. Omni means ALL after all, and ALL means more than just one companys creations.

thats the way i understood it. he coined the term suposedly. he was also the head writer of the hand books i think. then we have a clear defining entry in the 2005 book, and no clear redifine in the new books just some refrences.
then we have a statement from a writer on a message board that marvel links directly to.
then to top it all off we have numorus cross overs that clearly show there is a conection between these multiverses.
weather thay are cannon or not thay have existed in the same creation. thay are also conected by our universe the place where all these storys stem from. using the same writers in maney cases !
it is the one conection that can not be erased with any on pannel showing. then there is the fact that the word can not be redifined its basic etymology does not alow it.
to redefine it as any less then "all" would need a renaming as well . then its not omniverse any more. it might be multiverse or megaverse.

Originally posted by Mr Master
👆 ... Is it really that hard to comprehend jaro? ...
Or do you smell agenda like myself?

Anywho, kinda of post is expected from a true debater. (unbiased reaoning)

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lmao

Actually dude,

my Bio info comes from Official Marvel Handbooks, not websites like yourself.

My On Panel info, comes from Marvel Comics, published by Marvel.

My website info, comes from Marvel.com the company's official site,
I challenge to go and try to edit something,
anything, from the Two pages I posted form Marvel's site.

That's a huge misconception,
no one can alter the info at Marvel.com,
only Company staff.
......................................................................................

After you claimed,

Comixfan > On Panel in Marvel comics, Official Marvel Handbook Bios, Marvel.com

......................................................................................

😆 ... You expect me to take you serious?

Respect is earned, and "one post" man has a long way to go.

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😂 ... Who cares what socks/trolls do jaro.

Hey there why dont you go right now and check out that great site for info...Why everyone who is interested should go there and check out the info..go to the bottom of the page...here is a quick link...this is your site that cant be edited so, i know you will take the info that is NOW up on the site as proof
http://www.marvel.com/universe/Marvel_Universe

Go all the way to the bottom and see what is there now, i eagerly await a response for this one.....

This should is the end of this debate,i would think that even Mr Master has the savy to admit a loss in this case

Originally posted by Kerr Avon

I'm not the one suffering from a huge misconception.

The bio section is a wikipedia,
and can be altered by regular posters who have accumulated enough points.

I have NEVER used Wiki bios or Wiki anything.

Nice try on the lies.

Originally posted by Kerr Avon
But in any case, go check Marvel.com's Glossary, letter O

"Omniverse
The collection of every single universe, dimension, reality, etc. This includes the real world, as well as the Marvel Universe, the Star Trek Universe, the Image Universe, etc. "

and the Marvel Universe page you linked to before.

"Omniverse is EVERY reality, including those published by other companies."

This is WHY:

Bottomline ...

Marvel Official Handbook Glossary of terms - Winter 2007

.............................................................................................................

1. Omniverse

2. TOAA

1. "Group of alternate universeS which encompasses ALL Reality"

2. The entity believed to be the Supreme being/Creator of the Omniverse"

.....................................................................................................

So you're trying to tell us TOAA Created the "Real World"

durlaugh

Originally posted by Kerr Avon
Handbook writer explicit statement > wikipedia site bios.
Doesnt matter what site either is on.

Be thorough homie and PAY ATTENTION!!!

I have NEVER used Wiki fo anything duke.

ALL my Bios come from Official Marvel HANDBOOKSSSSSSS!!!!!!

(You know ... like COMIC BOOKSSSSS)

Originally posted by Kerr Avon
1. ALL reality. Not all reality except the bits Marvel doesnt own.

Originally posted by Kerr Avon
This evidence works against your case, not for it.

Originally posted by Kerr Avon
2. Believed to be. So he might not be.

Originally posted by Kerr Avon
And even if TOAA is the creator of the entire omniverse, whats stopping him being the creator of the DC universe too, under a different name? God = Allah = Yahweh. Different names, apparently the same being.

Ain't gonna friend.

Present ONE scan (from MARVEL COMICS) in 2007-2008
Not from disconnected Websites, like Comixfan or Wiki or any other garbage.

Claiming something, anything to help your case,
cause right about now, theoretical works of fantasy aren't doing it for me.

Originally posted by Mr Master
So you are suffering from a huge misconception still.

I have NEVER used Wiki bios or Wiki anything.

Nice try on the lies.

Marvel.coms bio section is a WIKI. If you are using it to try and back your claims, then you are using a WIKI. That is not a lie.

Originally posted by Mr Master Yea, it was already established,
that Marvel connects their Omniverse to DC's for Cross-overs and Cross-overs alone.
The stories and their siginificance are contained withIN said Cross-overs,
and have absolutely NO influence or pertinence to Marvel continuity.

Then why do the handbooks keep referring to these crossovers?

T

Originally posted by Mr Master his is WHY:

[B]Bottomline ...

Marvel Official Handbook Glossary of terms - Winter 2007

.............................................................................................................

1. Omniverse

2. TOAA

1. "Group of alternate universeS which encompasses ALL Reality"

2. The entity believed to be the Supreme being/Creator of the Omniverse"

.....................................................................................................

So you're trying to tell us TOAA Created the "Real World"

Originally posted by Mr Master
You should pay attention if you're gonna debate with me,
posting mis-information (about posters) or lies will put you on the ignore list.

I'm not the one who needs to pay attention, and I've posted no lies nor misinformation.

Originally posted by Mr Master Be thorough homie and PAY ATTENTION!!!

Originally posted by Mr Master I have NEVER used Wiki fo anything duke.

Originally posted by Mr Master ALL my Bios come from Official Marvel HANDBOOKSSSSSSS!!!!!!

(You know ... like COMIC BOOKSSSSS) [/B]

And a Marvel Handbook writer has come online to say you are wrong, so how do you answer that?

what i dont underatnd is why is there such a desparate need to have both companies fully sanctioned as a joint entity.....crossover are just that....crossovers. sometimes they are canon, most times they are not. what is so unfathomable about two different companies having thier own set of rules and standards? am i the only one blown away by the fact that some ppl even consider our world, th"real world" a aprt of the omniverse? is this not totally f ****ed in the head or what