Do the Marvel and Dc multiverses exist within the same creation?

Started by Kerr Avon31 pages

Originally posted by Mr Master
Yea TROLL, that was Wanda,
SAME person who tore it to bits and re-arranged it.

Go read comics.

Which means you're a TROLL,
that's just trying to make a name for himself,
but instead continues to bury himself deeper in his blatant cluelessness.

"good guys won" ... 😆
"threat got dealt with" ... 😂

Bonehead, that was Wanda,
SAME individual that broke the Omniverse and put it back the way it was..

I read the comics fine, thanks, and unlike you don't need to resort to infantile name calling. It's you who keep missing the point. The omniverse got put back the way it had been before it was damaged, so the good guys did win, and the threat to the rest of the omniverse was dealt with. So the writer saying that Wanda's reality warp affected the whole omniverse means nothing, because any damage it did outside of 616 was undone.

Originally posted by Mr Master So I guess she was the "bad guy and the good guy" ey TROLL?
She also "dealt with" her own actions.

Actually, yes, that is exactly the case. She was the "bad guy" because she altered her entire reality and caused a shockwave that struck the omniverse. But her friends figured out something was wrong and managed to reach her and convince her to undo it (hence "the good guys won"😉, at by trying to set things back, she was effectively the "good guy" again. And by trying to set right her mistakes, she "dealt with" her own actions.

Originally posted by Mr Master
But why would you know that,
when you're purpose as a secondary account is to TROLL, not debate,
how can you debate, you know nothing of comics.

Again, your paranoia convinces you I am a "secondary account". You insist I know nothing of comics, simply because I don't agree with your interpretation of things. You are actually hilarious with how wrong you are on so many things.

Originally posted by Mr Master "like you said?"

All you've emitted out of that trap is what I dump in a toilet.

"threats that never amount to more than that?"

Dude, are completely retarded, or are you just giving it your best shot?

[B]If the "threat" didn't amoung to anything,
then how the heck was the Omniverse TORN to BITS and RE-ARRANGED
?

The omniverse was also put all back together again almost exactly as it had been. So that tearing to bits and re-arranging amounted to nothing.

Originally posted by Mr Master
That's not a "threat" my child,
it actually HAPPENED!!!

Do you know what a "threat" is:

an intention/something likely/a possibility

What are you 14 going on 5?

🙄 Infantile, as ever.

Originally posted by Mr Master

5funny .... Still falling deeper into a hole of stupidity I see.


How so? 🙂 You quoted Websters to back how you felt the words in the definition backed your interpretation; I quoted back Websters showing another definition for the same word, which doesn't back your definition. But as ever, you choose to only read the bits that suit you.

Originally posted by Mr Master

LOOK at this Clown yall,
taking 3rd and 2nd meanings to over ride the FIRST MEANINGS of a term.

Those other meanings are in there because the word has more than one meaning. Who are you to decide which meaning is the one the Handbook writers were using?

Originally posted by Mr Master
You need to go back to school.

You can try, but you could never.
You're a joke in our forum,
others don't come in here and tell you this to avoid you TROLLING after them too.

Nah, just yours TROLL, and the template TROLL that created you.

Btw. congratulations on your 20th lifetime Post at kmc TROLL.

All in this thread,
all meaningless,
all in a sad attempt to make your template account look good.

Pathetic.

Bah, do what you do,
I'm done wiping the floor with your idiocy. You got a good bottom
and it was well deserved.

Now go on, with your bad self,
post again some more toilet worth material
who cares,
nobody.

yawn [/B]

Very childish. Amusingly so.

Master, your condescension has reached epic levels. Consider this an official warning.

You don't have the right to tell others to leave, even if it's your thread.

Also, repeatedly calling a person a troll and insulting them only makes yourself look childish, especially when it isn't returned by the other poster. If you can't remain respectful toward people who disagree with you, you should refrain from posting. Because honestly, very few end up caring about the validity of your arguments when they couldn't care less for the tone of your debates.

And don't bother pointing fingers. Look yourself in the mirror for a change.

Starlock, you weren't even a part of this particular discussion, so stay out of it. Your unnatural hatred for Master is well noted, but doesn't exempt you from your own attempts to put him down.

Kerr Avon, you'd be advised to stop baiting as well. It isn't constant, and doesn't justify Master's insults, but you haven't been completely respectful yourself. If you continue in an attempt to escalate, it won't be Master who gets in trouble.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Master, your condescension has reached epic levels. Consider this an official warning.

You don't have the right to tell others to leave, even if it's your thread.

Also, repeatedly calling a person a troll and insulting them only makes yourself look childish, especially when it isn't returned by the other poster. If you can't remain respectful toward people who disagree with you, you should refrain from posting. Because honestly, very few end up caring about the validity of your arguments when they couldn't care less for the tone of your debates.

And don't bother pointing fingers. Look yourself in the mirror for a change.

Starlock, you weren't even a part of this particular discussion, so stay out of it. Your unnatural hatred for Master is well noted, but doesn't exempt you from your own attempts to put him down.

DigiMark007 lets get it right...my unatural hatred is for all posters who say things like"swallow my children" and Swinnging from my nuts" added to lying and misleading people,telling them"i will never let you go""troll" "sock" and we know how many reports there are

I would think it would be your job also to have this unatural hatred

So label me correctly in the future...as you might tell from the people i have reported in the past, its not only Mr Master, but since nothing of importance has been done for over a year, i will continue to do what i think is right for me and my kids who sit and read the site with me at times...you want to explain to my brothers kids what "swallow my children means?,

Originally posted by starlock
you want to explain to my brothers kids what "swallow my children means?,
Not trying to be an arse,
but this made me giggle.

ermmhappy

To assume that I should "have hatred" is to allow my emotions to cloud my moderating. I adhere to the forum's policies as closely as possible, and deal with what I can. To become invested beyond that would be to interfere in a negative way with what I do.

So no, I don't have hatred, or even dislike, for anyone on KMC (socks and trolls included, strange as that may seem).

Thank you for your concern, however, as it pertains to behavior and language that could be considered inappropriate.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
To assume that I should "have hatred" is to allow my emotions to cloud my moderating. I adhere to the forum's policies as closely as possible, and deal with what I can. To become invested beyond that would be to interfere in a negative way with what I do.

So no, I don't have hatred, or even dislike, for anyone on KMC (socks and trolls included, strange as that may seem).

Thank you for your concern, however, as it pertains to behavior and language that could be considered inappropriate.

But you don't like me. 🙁

Originally posted by DigiMark007

Master, your condescension has reached epic levels.


I had enough, this has been going on since Oct. 2, 2006,
I gave you the link, don't know if you followed up but,
at some point, one explodes.
Originally posted by DigiMark007
Consider this an official warning.

It was worth it.
Originally posted by DigiMark007
You don't have the right to tell others to leave, even if it's your thread.

This isn't my thread, and I never told anyone to leave,
in fact, I encouraged the continuous Mr Master hating.
I admit, I actually enjoyed fighting back this time.
Originally posted by DigiMark007
Also,
repeatedly calling a person a troll and insulting them only makes yourself look childish

A person Trolls, they're a Troll.
Originally posted by DigiMark007
especially when it isn't returned by the other poster.

Ha. You're a moderator and I respect you,
but there's NO way you truly went through this entire thread to claim this.

The template and his alternate don't call me a Troll cause I don't Troll,
on the other hand, they do everything that coincides with the term.

Originally posted by DigiMark007

If you can't remain respectful toward people who disagree with you,
you should refrain from posting.


This isn't true, and I'm not worried about telling you that.

I have MANY debates here at kmc,
which 99% of are in good taste full of respect.

I admit to lashing out at Mr Master haters, (the Nvrs and Starlocks of the world)
which is quite a different thing from serious debates.

Originally posted by DigiMark007

Because honestly,
very few end up caring about the validity of your arguments
when they couldn't care less for the tone of your debates.


My aggressive tone is directed solely at Mr Master haters.

Since Oct. 2, 2006 friend, I ain't lying.

I called him out back in May 2007: (the link to Oct. 06' is there too)

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=449137&pagenumber=11

Too much, simply too much.

My re-action here is exactly that, a RE-ACTION!

You told me to put him on ignore,
but that's not gonna stop him from bad mouthing me everywhere.
You think it's just this thread?
I'm just not a biatch that needs to press the little red button at every turn.
When I check in before logging on,
I have to witness more lies being posted about me,
and you're not gonna warn or ban cats for lying.

Enough is enough. (so they got the horns of the bull)

Originally posted by DigiMark007
And don't bother pointing fingers.

Just the truth friend.

I haven't always been perfectly sweet, but on THIS ONE,
on THIS ONE ... they called upon the fire and got burned.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Look yourself in the mirror for a change.

You seen what I look like. 😛

Whole thread? Nah. But the last 3-4 pages worth of material. At a certain point it stops mattering who started what, and any insults in any context become reprehensible.

It's possible, completely possible, to refrain from bashing others...even when you're receiving it as well.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
even when you're receiving it as well.
Kinky. kinda

So we STILL have nothing but Appeal's to authority and circular reasoning to support Marvel's statements? Not surprising.

Originally posted by Creshosk
So we STILL have nothing but Appeal's to authority and circular reasoning to support Marvel's statements? Not surprising.

And this circular reasoning by the man who invented the term and it's meaning:

........................................................................................................

These scans are from Avengers v1. #296 - 297

The beginning of the whole Black Celestial drama.
........................................................................................................

So in the Black Celestial arc,
evidently, Galactus was not only an OMNIVERSAL threat,
Galactus was actually going to absorb the ENTIRE OMNIVERSE,
according to MARK GRUENWALD ..

that's the guy who invented the Term.

MARK GRUENWALD was the EDITOR of Marvel during this arc:
........................................................................................................

"Celestial renegade (Taimut) constructed a weapon (Galactus)
mighty enough to threaten the ENTIRE Space-Time structure of the OMNIVERSE
"

........................................................................................................

Nebula had control of some avengers and was planning on taking Galactus' power:

"I have learned about the great weapon in Time"

........................................................................................................

"In my hands, no being in ALL the OMNIVERSE would be safe"

........................................................................................................

A mini artistic depiction of the actual OMNIVERSE:

"Suffice to say that the weapon is Supreme,
the OMNIVERSE is vast beyond imagining
"

........................................................................................................

"Soon, with the help of the Avengers,
Nebula will not only Rule the OMNIVERSE,
she will own it
"

........................................................................................................

This is the clincher: (Notice at the bottom of the scan, who the EDITOR is) 🙂

"The greatest weapon in the OMNIVERSE is nearly mine"

........................................................................................................

Is MARK GRUENWALD hyperboling about his own invention? 😬

........................................................................................................

I guess Reed wasn't lying when he said:

"The time will come soon when ALL the Energy in the UNIVERSE,
through out it's HISTORY will NOT be SUFFICIENT to feed him
"

The History of the Marvel Universe ... an OMNIVERSE!!!

Originally posted by Mr Master
........................................................................

I wonder if I'll see another post claiming,
the word OMNIVERSE is just thrown around by Marvel,
when the individual who literally invented the Term and it's meaning,

(MARK GRUENWALD)

is the EDITOR of an arc where the ENTIRE OMNIVERSE was referenced, depicted,
and literally connected to it's proceeding arc,
which was about Galactus absorbing All of Time-Space in Marvel
.

Was Galactus absorbing the "Real World" .. "DC" and "other" companies?

I don't know,
but MARK GRUENWALD was involved in this arc, (he was the freakin EDITOR)
so maybe Galactus was about to feed on your living room. 😂

i promised myself i would stay away but for this fanzine thing....when MG was doing his thing his 'zine was a report on comic books....current(at that time) and future happenings ang goings on in continuity for both companies.....its no different from what wizard, ign, or newsarama does...in fact the only difference was the fact that it was called "omniverse". so first and foremost, he coined the phrase. secondly it wasnt after he got hired by marvel that any depiction, illustrations, or allusions to an omniverse was ever brought up.... and it wasnt until 2005 that some stupid writer made the claim that the omniverse is everything.....even the real world and other works of fiction.....😕 then shortly therefore, they retracted thier arrogant claims and generically labled it all universes...et al. sooo.....where was i?...umm yeah, so marvel has its own omniverse

The whole counter argument is based on the fact that Marvel characters have referred to the omniversal when talking of the scale of an event, or have said to have set in motion something of omniversal consequences.

That simply does not change what Marvel has stated.

How can any comic fan come in here and say Marvel has its own omniverse when Marvel itself says it doesn't?😕

Its unbelievable.

Copyright means that we'll only ever see a demonstration of a shared omniverse during crossovers but that doesn't change Marvels stance.

You can argue until youre blue in the face but at the end of the day, nothing short of an official statement is going to mean anything here in this debate.

Originally posted by Mr Master
And this circular reasoning by the man who invented the term and it's meaning:

........................................................................................................

These scans are from Avengers v1. #296 - 297

The beginning of the whole Black Celestial drama.
........................................................................................................

So in the Black Celestial arc,
evidently, Galactus was not only an OMNIVERSAL threat,
Galactus was actually going to absorb the ENTIRE OMNIVERSE,
[B]according to
MARK GRUENWALD ..

that's the guy who invented the Term.

MARK GRUENWALD was the EDITOR of Marvel during this arc:
........................................................................................................

"Celestial renegade (Taimut) constructed a weapon (Galactus)
mighty enough to threaten the ENTIRE Space-Time structure of the OMNIVERSE
"

........................................................................................................

Nebula had control of some avengers and was planning on taking Galactus' power:

"I have learned about the great weapon in Time"

........................................................................................................

"In my hands, no being in ALL the OMNIVERSE would be safe"

........................................................................................................

A mini artistic depiction of the actual OMNIVERSE:

"Suffice to say that the weapon is Supreme,
the OMNIVERSE is vast beyond imagining
"

........................................................................................................

"Soon, with the help of the Avengers,
Nebula will not only Rule the OMNIVERSE,
she will own it
"

........................................................................................................

This is the clincher: (Notice at the bottom of the scan, who the EDITOR is) 🙂

"The greatest weapon in the OMNIVERSE is nearly mine"

........................................................................................................

Is MARK GRUENWALD hyperboling about his own invention? 😬

........................................................................................................

I guess Reed wasn't lying when he said:

"The time will come soon when ALL the Energy in the UNIVERSE,
through out it's HISTORY will NOT be SUFFICIENT to feed him
"

The History of the Marvel Universe ... an OMNIVERSE!!! [/B]

Appeal to authority noted, along with morecircular reaonsing from YOU. Not form him. You're trying to use HIS words to justify HIS words.

Nothing logical about it. No valid arguments. Keep trying you might finally grasp that straw you're after.

Do you have any valid logical evidence to use? Or are you just going to keep using the circular reasoning appeal to authority of Marvel is right because Marvel says its right?

Originally posted by Creshosk
Appeal to authority noted, along with morecircular reaonsing from YOU. Not form him. You're trying to use HIS words to justify HIS words.

Nothing logical about it. No valid arguments. Keep trying you might finally grasp that straw you're after.

Do you have any valid logical evidence to use? Or are you just going to keep using the circular reasoning appeal to authority of Marvel is right because Marvel says its right?

😕 What kind of evidence would you want?

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
😕 What kind of evidence would you want?
Anything that gives it validity. You can't for example say that the bible is true because the bible says its true. And that's the textbook example of a circular reasoning fallacy. It's not up to me to do ANY of the person making the claims legwork. And any attempt to get me to say what I'm looking for is the shifting the burden of proof fallacy. As its a sublte attempt to get me to provide the evidence of the other person's claims.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Anything that gives it validity. You can't for example say that the bible is true because the bible says its true.

When taken as a a work of fiction you can. Or is MM arguing that comics are reality?

Originally posted by Creshosk
And any attempt to get me to say what I'm looking for is the shifting the burden of proof fallacy. As its a sublte attempt to get me to provide the evidence of the other person's claims.

Is that pedant for "I'm a chicken" by any chance?

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
When taken as a a work of fiction you can.
Uh no, its still circular reasoning.

Originally posted by TheBadguy
Or is MM arguing that comics are reality?
I have no idea if he is or not.

Originally posted by TheBadguy
Is that pedant for "I'm a chicken" by any chance?
No its attempting to derail a red herring argument before it gets formed. Nice ad hominem by the way. What's your reason for being in this thread?

I'm challaenging Mr Master to prove his claims without using the source that he's trying to validate as the evidence of its own validity. You?

Originally posted by Creshosk
Uh no, its still circular reasoning.

So then everything that happens in comics must be proven with circular reasoning. The only evidence for any of it comes from within the comics themselves.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Nice ad hominem by the way.

Libel. You're assuming that I mean to attack your character.

Originally posted by Creshosk
What's your reason for being in this thread?

I'm challaenging Mr Master to prove his claims without using the source that he's trying to validate as the evidence of its own validity. You?

I'm bored 🙂