Do the Marvel and Dc multiverses exist within the same creation?

Originally posted by Mr Master
Pardon me, it wasn't even a mainstream Marvel issue, it was a Superman comic,.

Originally posted by Mr Master
the Cross-over (Silver Surfer vs Superman) is where they actually meet.

That's what's recognized in IM's bio, the Cross-over,.

Originally posted by Mr Master
what Mxy stated in the Superman issue you posted
is not acknowledged though.

"Mixed Pickels [Mxy], also impersonated Impy on at least one occasion to torment the FF of an undisclosed location":

(From IM's bio in the 2006 OHOTMU)

The scans I posted from the Superman comic fit that description perfectly, imo.

Originally posted by Mr Master
That's a 2005 bio,
it seems that year Marvel was going to incorporate itself
in this external Omniverse idea,

it was obviously stomped the next year,
when we see the LT's bio where he's dealing with Two Marvel MegaverseS (on panel aswell)
That right there would make it impossible for Marvel to be a single Megaverse.

Further stomped in 2007 bios, as it is stated TOAA Created the Marvel Omniverse.

You must've ignored my postS on page 4 ... they're riddled with 2007 and 08 bioS:

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(Late 2007)

[B]Core Continuum Designation

"Numerical identification given to each Earth in the Omniverse"

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(Late 2007)

1. Omniverse

2. TOAA

1. "Group of alternate universeS which encompasses ALL Reality"

2. The entity believed to be the Supreme being/Creator of the Omniverse"

Unless TOAA Created DC the "real World" and all other verseS in other companies,
Marvel MUST have their own Omniverse. 🙂

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I don't really need to prove anything,
as the 2007 and 2008 irrefutable UPDATED evidence speaks for itself.

If Marvel is just a single Multiverse,
why is the Ultraverse located in ANOTHER Multiverse?

http://www.marvel.com/universe/Infinity_Gems

"taken by an energy vampire (Rune) from an alternate-reality.
In that other Multiverse, they were collected by Loki"

(This is referring to the Avengers/Ultraforce arc)

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How can this be?

We know the Ultraverse is One of Marvel's Universes:

(excerpt from the official Marvel handbook 2007)

"Ultraverse - Alternate Earth" (Earth-93060)

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And yet, it's withIN ANOTHER Multiverse withIN Marvel,
so How can Marvel be just a single Multiverse?

Impossible!!!

All those On Panel scans prove that there's a Marvel Omniverse,
there hasn't been One On Panel scan that states Marvel is just a Multiverse,
or Megaverse.

What we do have a plethora of On Panel evidence not only referring to the Omniverse,
but actually artistically depicting (as in illustrated/drawn) not just statements.

In fact, the Marvel Omniverse has even been torn to pieces,
and remade ... this has been ceritifed in separate arcs.

The 2008 bios flat out confirm that Jaspers was going to destroy the entire Omniverse,
in "Die by the Sword" (Winter 2007 arc)
Same arc that describes how Wanda's Chaos Wave
"literally tore the Omniverse to pieces, and rebuilt it"

I ain't just yip yappin, it's all stated On Panel
and corroborated across different arcs. [/B]

In the 2005 handbook it has a definition for multiverse and omniverse.....what i was asking is....do the newer handbooks have entries for the definition of these words....not references

i can see from many of the scans and such that there were references...but that is not enough, to just mention the word and show a artistic view of said omniverse...it never states that marvel has their own omniverse....and the 2005 says"omniverse: A glossary of terms" it then goes on to explain what the term means...is there a definition for the term omniverse in any of the newer handbooks?

Here we go again.

You really don’t get it do you?

Nothing you have posted is proof that Marvels view is that it has a separate omniverse from DC.

Nothing you have posted has proven my posts incorrect.

ALL you have done is post scans of Marvel characters talking about the omniverse from a Marvel perspective and claimed that to be proof of an omniverse solely belonging to Marvel. I’m sorry Mr Master but regardless of how stupid you think the idea all of your posts are just your opinion on how things should be.

That is NOT good enough.

I have asked a question. Do the two companies exist in the same creation?

From Marvel we have a statement saying that there is only ONE omniverse and within it are contained not only Marvels collection of realities but also those of other comic book companies:

(top far right paragraph)

Further to that point we have instances where Marvel characters have met with DC characters and these crossovers have been referred to in Marvels Handbooks which reference what is continuity for Marvel:

Pulsars bio entry:

"the verdant will powered energies of an extra-dimensional emerald gladiator.

We’ve seen Mxy referenced in Impossible Mans bio as shown on page 1 of this thread

A few years back the Grandmaster was involved in a wager with Krona from DC during the Avengers/JLA crossover; this event is referenced in the Grandmasters latest bio making it canon:

Krona talking of destroying universes as a part of his investigations into the beginning of universes:

Grandmaster: “We should play a game to decide matters”

Grandmasters bio:

(The last paragraph on the page)

“A vastly powerful being that had destroyed entire universes in seeking the origins of existence”

“As a delaying tactic and defensive gambit the Grandmaster challenged the scholar to a contest of champions to decide matters”

The result of this crossover that Marvel clearly regards as canon was that Kronas essence was trapped in a cosmic egg as Grandmasters bio references: “trapping the scholar’s essence in a cosmic egg”

DC also made this canon following the growth of the Cosmic Egg in their JLA title:

“We can’t destroy a newly forming universe just because we don’t like what it might become……………….It was touch and go trapping Krona in that cosmic egg in the first place”

There is no doubt that the crossover is regarded as canon for both Marvel and DC.

Marvel has stated that there collection of realities is A PART of the omniverse, not the sum of it.

Unless a poster has a new statement from Marvel directly addressing the issue and stating Marvel to have its own omniverse then anything else is just personal opinion which just doesn’t cut it.

This still stands:

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
I’ve heard some arguments with regards to how Marvel characters such as Roma number all realities within the omniverse, does that change the fact that Marvels stance is that theres one omniverse and that DC are their extra-dimensional neighbours? ❌

Just means that while DC residents might call it Earth-S, Roma might call it Earth 16781 from her Marvel perspective 😉

The omniverse depicted in Marvel is from a Marvel bias and perspective. Omniversal roles are possessed by characters from both companies and for all their talk of being able to destroy or affect an omniverse, it either never happens or if it does then its always done from that specific companies perspective because that’s all they have the right to do by copyright law unless they write up an agreement with the other company allowing them to specifically depict or refer to the other company’s property being affected/destroyed such as within the JLA/Avengers canon crossover.

I’ve heard talk of how Marvels Supreme Being is TOAA and DC’s is The Presence. Does that change the fact that Marvels stance is that there’s one omniverse and DC is recognised as an extra-dimensional neighbour? ❌

[B]If anything it should make you question what TOAA and Presence are in relation to each other, are they the same being represented differently to the two multiverses? Who knows? The fact that we don’t know the answer to that question does NOT change Marvels official stance. [/B]

That quote of one of my earlier posts, especially the part regarding Marvel characters claiming to have at their disposal the power to destroy the omniverse, deals with all of your posts Mr Master.

Please present a statement from Marvel specifically addressing the matter that changes their stance on the omniverse or save yourself the effort.

Scans of Quasar flying around the omniverse, or ones saying the Exiles are protectors of the omniverse do NOT change Marvels statement. They do not have the implications you so wish them to have. 😬

AGAIN:

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Here's the 2008 one! 🙂

Excerpt from Marvel Handbook clip - 2008 - Exiles bio:

"Insectoid alien explorers discover an observatory outside of space-time,
named ... later the Crystal Palace,
the equipment allowed them to observe every Reality in the Omniverse.

Eventually,
accidentally they caused All Creation (Omniverse) to become displaced"

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So they damaged the entire Omniverse?

But isn't Marvel just a Multiverse? dontgetit

Or did they damage DC, the "real world" and all other companies? 😆

AGAIN!!!
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Official Marvel Handbook clip - 2008 - Exiles BIO ...

"Exiles teamed with Excalibur,
to stop Jaspers & the Fury from destroying the Omniverse"

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So Jaspers was going to destroy DC, all other companies plus the "Real World"

hum

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And HERE is that Omniverse they are talking about On Panel: (artistically illustrated)

(Winter 2007)

The WRITER states:

"Not long ago, the Omniverse was swept
by a Temporal Reality Wave of unimaginable power,
that literally tore the Continuum to bits and Re-arranged it"

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That's the Chaos Wave (Wanda's Reality Warp) they're referring to,
it destroyed the Marvel Omniverse before rebuilding the Omniverse afterwards.

Did the Chaos Wave destroy DC, other companis, and the "Real World"

crazy

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I can't believe Wanda (a fictional drawing) has the power to re-create me. 🙂

AGAIN!!!!

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That's a 2005 bio,
it seems that year Marvel was going to incorporate itself
in this external Omniverse idea,

it was obviously stomped the next year,
when we see the LT's bio where he's dealing with Two Marvel MegaverseS (on panel aswell)
That right there would make it impossible for Marvel to be a single Megaverse.

Further stomped in 2007 bios, as it is stated TOAA Created the Marvel Omniverse.

You must've ignored my postS on page 4 ... they're riddled with 2007 and 08 bioS:

.............................................................................................................

(Late 2007)

Core Continuum Designation

"Numerical identification given to each Earth in the Omniverse"

.............................................................................................................

(Late 2007)

1. Omniverse

2. TOAA

1. "Group of alternate universeS which encompasses ALL Reality"

2. The entity believed to be the Supreme being/Creator of the Omniverse"

Unless TOAA Created DC the "real World" and all other verseS in other companies,
Marvel MUST have their own Omniverse. 🙂

If you admit that TOAA created DC every other company plus the "Real World" (us)

I'll concede.
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I don't really need to prove anything,
as the 2007 and 2008 irrefutable UPDATED evidence speaks for itself.

If Marvel is just a single Multiverse,
why is the Ultraverse located in ANOTHER Multiverse?

http://www.marvel.com/universe/Infinity_Gems

"taken by an energy vampire (Rune) from an alternate-reality.
In that other Multiverse, they were collected by Loki"

(This is referring to the Avengers/Ultraforce arc)

..........................

How can this be?

We know the Ultraverse is One of Marvel's Universes:

(excerpt from the official Marvel handbook 2007)

"Ultraverse - Alternate Earth" (Earth-93060)

..........................

And yet, it's withIN ANOTHER Multiverse withIN Marvel,
so How can Marvel be just a single Multiverse?

Impossible!!!

All those On Panel scans prove that there's a Marvel Omniverse,
there hasn't been One On Panel scan that states Marvel is just a Multiverse,
or Megaverse.

What we do have a plethora of On Panel evidence not only referring to the Omniverse,
but actually artistically depicting (as in illustrated/drawn) not just statements.

In fact, the Marvel Omniverse has even been torn to pieces,
and remade ... this has been ceritifed in separate arcs.

The 2008 bios flat out confirm that Jaspers was going to destroy the entire Omniverse,
in "Die by the Sword" (Winter 2007 arc)
Same arc that describes how Wanda's Chaos Wave
"literally tore the Omniverse to pieces, and rebuilt it"

I ain't just yip yappin, it's all stated On Panel
and corroborated across different arcs.
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yawn

Unless there's a direct statement from both companies saying so, I would say no

Originally posted by starlock
In the 2005 handbook it has a definition for multiverse and omniverse.....what i was asking is....

1. Omniverse

2. TOAA

1. "Group of alternate universeS which encompasses ALL Reality"

2. The entity believed to be the Supreme being/Creator of the Omniverse"
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You didn't see this?

Originally posted by starlock
do the newer handbooks have entries for the definition of these words....
not references

I did.

This one even describes what a Megaverse is IN Marvel:

(Mid - 2007)

"Megaverse:

Group of alternate UniverseS which is larger than a Multiverse,
encompassing Realities with a certain closeness,
such as all those associated with Marvel."

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The definition of the Omniverse and the Megaverse all fit in perfectly with,
Marvel's 2006 Updated bio definition of it's Omniverse:

"the REALMS with a Multiverse"

"Within the Omniverse,
collections of associated REALMS from different Multiverses
are referred to as Megaverses"

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As we know, the LT manipulated the destiny of TWO of Marvel's MegaverseS:

"the Living Tribunal also helped fashion the twin Entities the BROTHERS,
each of whom became the guardian of a different Megaverse,
within the larger Omniverse but encompassing MORE than a single Multiverse"

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All This,
plus the the LATE 2007 Glossary also telling us TOAA is the CREATOR of the Omniverse,

is TOO much to deny. 🙂

Originally posted by starlock
i can see from many of the scans and such that there were references...but that is not enough, to just mention the word and show a artistic view of said omniverse...it never states that marvel has their own omniverse....and the 2005 says"omniverse: A glossary of terms" it then goes on to explain what the term means...is there a definition for the term omniverse in any of the newer handbooks? [/B]

What I'm presenting is from the "Glossary of terms" on the last page of the issue:

There you have the Omniverse definition and TOAA's too.

Also notice the "NEW Universe" is just another Alternate Earth,
interesting we understand it's located withIN ANOTHER Multiverse.
(that's the one Quasar visited - I posted the scans on page 4 I think)

🙂

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Unless there's a direct statement from both companies saying so, I would say no

Originally posted by Galan007

One could say that the whole of Marvel = an Omniverse, and the whole of DC = an Omniverse,

and these two Omniverses can exist together at certain times,

[ie. when crossovers occur],

to form a greater Omniverse,

[which follows the 'greater levels of infinity' concept in comics]....

But I wouldn't say that they are perma-linked to the same general creation,

ALL of the time -- or else you'd have Marvel characters affecting DC, and vice versa..

Would that make sense?

I refuse to believe Roma can destroy Universes in DC with the CN,
and that Superman saved DC AND Marvel by vibrating.

so Mr. M when are you gonna re-open your Marvel Cosmic Thread ?

the word omniverse was thrown around again in the latest exiles, but i dont feel like posting and adding to the fire

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
I’ve heard some arguments with regards to how Marvel characters such as Roma number all realities within the omniverse, does that change the fact that Marvels stance is that theres one omniverse and that DC are their extra-dimensional neighbours? ❌

Just means that while DC residents might call it Earth-S, Roma might call it Earth 16781 from her Marvel perspective 😉

The omniverse depicted in Marvel is from a Marvel bias and perspective. Omniversal roles are possessed by characters from both companies and for all their talk of being able to destroy or affect an omniverse, it either never happens or if it does then its always done from that specific companies perspective because that’s all they have the right to do by copyright law unless they write up an agreement with the other company allowing them to specifically depict or refer to the other company’s property being affected/destroyed such as within the JLA/Avengers canon crossover.

I’ve heard talk of how Marvels Supreme Being is TOAA and DC’s is The Presence. Does that change the fact that Marvels stance is that there’s one omniverse and DC is recognised as an extra-dimensional neighbour? ❌

[B]If anything it should make you question what TOAA and Presence are in relation to each other, are they the same being represented differently to the two multiverses? Who knows? The fact that we don’t know the answer to that question does NOT change Marvels official stance. [/B]

👆 Had to bump this agin,Thats what it comes down to.

Mr M might find these Exiles scans somewhat interesting:

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Especially the last page from that particular comic, [the section underlined in red] 😖hifty::

we're earth 1218? who the hell is earth 1?

Originally posted by Galan007
Mr M might find these Exiles scans somewhat interesting:

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Especially the last page from that particular comic, [the section underlined in red] 😖hifty::

Close thread ... mad props to Galan.