Do the Marvel and Dc multiverses exist within the same creation?

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Its not about disagreeing with me because i'm not taking an ambiguous scene and presenting my interpretation

I've posted a statement from Marvel which is directly answering the topic of this thread "Do the Marvel and DC multiverses exist in the same creation?"

and the answer given is:

Here's the 2008 one! 🙂

Excerpt from Marvel Handbook clip - 2008 - Exiles bio:

"Insectoid alien explorers discover an observatory outside of space-time,
named ... later the Crystal Palace,
the equipment allowed them to observe every Reality in the Omniverse.

Eventually,
accidentally they caused All Creation (Omniverse) to become displaced"

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So they damaged the entire Omniverse?

But isn't Marvel just a Multiverse? dontgetit

Or did they damage DC, the "real world" and all other companies? 😆

Official Marvel Handbook clip - 2008 - Exiles BIO ...

"Exiles teamed with Excalibur,
to stop Jaspers & the Fury from destroying the Omniverse"

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So Jaspers was going to destroy DC, all other companies plus the "Real World"

hum

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And HERE is that Omniverse they are talking about On Panel: (artistically illustrated)

(Winter 2007)

The WRITER states:

"Not long ago, the Omniverse was swept
by a Temporal Reality Wave of unimaginable power,
that literally tore the Continuum to bits and Re-arranged it"

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That's the Chaos Wave (Wanda's Reality Warp) they're referring to,
it destroyed the Marvel Omniverse before rebuilding the Omniverse afterwards.

Did the Chaos Wave destroy DC, other companis, and the "Real World"

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I can't believe Wanda (a fictional drawing) has the power to re-create me. 🙂

Originally posted by Mr Master
Impossible Man's.

Which also makes him beating Marvel staff canon..

Originally posted by Mr Master
It was a Fantastic Four issue,
I' would've preferred it to be recognized there,
instead of in an outside party's (like IM).

Originally posted by Mr Master
That's fine.

It doesn't take away from the fact that in 2008
the Crystal Palace is credited with damaging the entire Omniverse (took place on panel)

The Chaos Wave Re-Created the entire Omniverse as you know.

That's what I'm debating, is Marvel a Multiverse,
or an Omniverse?

If Marvel has stories where the Omniverse is getting "torn to pieces and rebuilt"

Then it's not difficult to summize that Marvel indeed has it's own Omniverse.

Originally posted by Galan007
What was a F4 issue?

That's what's recognized in IM's bio, the Cross-over,
what Mxy stated in the Superman issue you posted
is not acknowledged though.

Originally posted by Galan007
My stance on what the companies are, hasn't changed,
[you know my opinion there].

Originally posted by Galan007

One could say that the whole of Marvel = an Omniverse, and the whole of DC = an Omniverse,

and these two Omniverses can exist together at certain times,

[ie. when crossovers occur],

to form a greater Omniverse,

[which follows the 'greater levels of infinity' concept in comics]....

But I wouldn't say that they are perma-linked to the same general creation,

ALL of the time -- or else you'd have Marvel characters affecting DC, and vice versa..

Would that make sense? ❌

I refuse to believe Roma can destroy Universes in DC with the CN,
and that Superman saved DC AND Marvel by vibrating. srsly

Imo, this is the most sensible explanation.

master i'm curious about 1 thing that if i'm right i may have a compromise to off everyone here, with the whole HOM thing was it ever stated that the entire omniverse was destroyed and reformatted by wanda? Or has there ever been any such claim by marvel I know it "tore through the onmiverse" but that doesnt mean that the entire thing was destroyed now does it

Originally posted by Mr Master
Or, as I think Galan was pointing out, (I'm paraphrasing)
perhaps these stories are only of consequence
when concerning said cross-overs are published.
Other than that, they're separate entites.
(this is a more logical outlook imo,
otherwise Dr Strange/Fate is the most powerful being in Marvel/DC combined)

😆

Bingo.

Marvel writers can scream the word "Omniverse" at us until their faces turn blue. However, if the Omniverse was destroyed in a Marvel comic, DC would still be pumping out comics weekly.

😬

I have a thoery about this but i'll need some info from master to prove it, seeing as how there have been offically recognized canon crossovers between the two i'm not that close mindied to the idea of them being with in the same omniverse, One could say that they both inhabit different regions of the omnivers, and that both are so far away from one another that neither one of them is likely to effect the other, I know marvel throws around the term omniverse alot, with the whole creation wave and all but even though it was stated to be tearing through the omniverse it was never stated that the entire omniverse was destroyed. After all the omniverse in theory has no limit to it, so you can view it as part of the omiverses being damaged, but other parts (like the dc region) were un effected as the wave was stopped. For example if there was a super hurricane or something that tore through tronado ally an international news reporter may say that it tore trough the U.S. in a general report because it is more expediant than talkign about the minute details of the matter. Or let's say someone was shot in the shoulder or something, most people would just say he was shot, but to be more precise only his shoulder was effected, not his legs or other arm and such, the omniverse is a BIG place it's no too far fetched to beliver that major events could happen with in it but still not have far enough reaching effects to effet other regions of it. Looking at it that way marvel and dc could be on completely different ends of it not likely to ever interact but both part of the same. I know i'm not always crystal clear when i try to explain my thoughts but i hope you understand what i'm trying to get at. Any way this is just my oppinion.

Originally posted by lando005
it was stated to be tearing through the omniverse
it was never stated that the entire omniverse was destroyed.

Originally posted by lando005
After all the omniverse in theory has no limit to it,
so you can view it as part of the omiverses being damaged,

Originally posted by lando005
For example if there was a super hurricane or something that tore through tronado ally an international news reporter may say that it tore trough the U.S. in a general report because it is more expediant than talkign about the minute details of the matter. Or let's say someone was shot in the shoulder or something, most people would just say he was shot, but to be more precise only his shoulder was effected, not his legs or other arm and such, the omniverse is a BIG place it's no too far fetched to beliver that major events could happen with in it but still not have far enough reaching effects to effet other regions of it. Looking at it that way marvel and dc could be on completely different ends of it not likely to ever interact but both part of the same. I know i'm not always crystal clear when i try to explain my thoughts but i hope you understand what i'm trying to get at. Any way this is just my oppinion.

Originally posted by lando005
master i'm curious about 1 thing that if i'm right i may have a compromise to off everyone here,
with the whole HOM thing was it ever stated
that the entire omniverse was destroyed and reformatted by wanda?

"Not long ago, the Omniverse was swept
by a Temporal Reality Wave of unimaginable power,
that literally tore the Continuum to bits and Re-arranged it"

🙂

We all know it was Wanda
or as the official Marvel Handbook states "Scarlet Witch's Reality Warp
that brought Jaspers back to life:

"During the Scarlet Witch's 'House of M' Reality Warp,

Jaspers Reformed alive merged with the Fury"
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"Mad Jim Jaspers has also returned,
brought back to life by the Scarlet Witch's recent Reality Warp

Originally posted by lando005
Or has there ever been any such claim by marvel

Originally posted by lando005
I know it "tore through the onmiverse"
but that doesnt mean that the entire thing was destroyed now does it

it literally "tore it to pieces" and then Re-arranged it

"Literally" ✅ (On Panel as you read with your own eyes above)

Originally posted by Mr Master

"Not long ago, the [B]Omniverse was swept
by a Temporal Reality Wave of unimaginable power,
that literally tore the Continuum to bits and Re-arranged it"

🙂

We all know it was Wanda
or as the official Marvel Handbook states "Scarlet Witch's Reality Warp
that brought Jaspers back to life:

"During the Scarlet Witch's 'House of M' Reality Warp,

Jaspers Reformed alive merged with the Fury"
........................................................................................

"Mad Jim Jaspers has also returned, brought back to life
by the Scarlet Witch's recent Reality Warp"

Yea, right above friend, from the Writer himself.

It didnb't just tore through it,

it literally "tore it to pieces" and then Re-arranged it

"Literally" ✅ (On Panel as you read with your own eyes above) [/B]

these scans would also hint then that the omniverse is in some way finite if you want to belive that it was completely destroyed and reformatted, somehow that just doesnt seem right, doesn't it seems like more of a general assesment of the damage done?

Originally posted by lando005
these scans would also hint then that the omniverse is in some way finite
if you want to belive that it was completely destroyed and reformatted,
somehow that just doesnt seem right,

Or are you gonna argue against
every On Panel artistically illustrated feat
that depicts an entire company Reality getting erased?

It's happened in DC, and in Marvel in other occasions.

Originally posted by lando005
doesn't it seems like more of a general assesment of the damage done?

"Not long ago, the Omniverse was swept
by a Temporal Reality Wave of unimaginable power,
that literally tore the Continuum to bits and Re-arranged it"
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I disagree,
it does not seem, "like more of a general assesment of the damage done"
it seems that the entire Omniverse was re-created[/i],
just like the On panel depiction clarifies with NO room for speculation. 🙂

It's stated in plain english, quite clearly,

"Not long ago, the Omniverse was swept
by a Temporal Reality Wave of unimaginable power,
that literally tore the Continuum to bits and Re-arranged it"

Originally posted by batdude123
Bingo.

Marvel writers can scream the word "Omniverse" at us until their faces turn blue. However, if the Omniverse was destroyed in a Marvel comic,
DC would still be pumping out comics weekly

Which is precisely why they have their separate Omniverses,
where one can never influence the other.

Only in consonant cross-overs,
are the Two realities ever of any significance to each other,
this significance of course, remains contained withIN the cross-over.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Or the Chaos Wave, like other Marvel Omniversal busters
simply have the power to wipe out infinity.

Or are you gonna argue against
every On Panel artistically illustrated feat
that depicts an entire company Reality getting erased?

It's happened in DC, and in Marvel in other occasions.

Well friend,
you asked if it's been stated On Panel
that the Chaos Wave tore the Omniverse pieces,
I posted On Panel proof that the Wave not only tore the Omniverse to pieces,
but rebuilt the Omniverse aswell.

"Not long ago, the [B]Omniverse was swept
by a Temporal Reality Wave of unimaginable power,
that literally tore the Continuum to bits and Re-arranged it"
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I disagree,
it does not seem, "like more of a general assesment of the damage done"
it seems that the entire Omniverse was re-created,
just like the On panel depiction clarifies with NO room for speculation. 🙂

It's stated in plain english, quite clearly,

"Not long ago, the Omniverse was swept
by a Temporal Reality Wave of unimaginable power,
that literally tore the Continuum to bits and Re-arranged it" [/B]

Originally posted by lando005
ok fair enough

Originally posted by lando005
but there is some room for speculation though

Jaspers was going to destory the Omniverse too, in 2007's "Die by the Sword"

This was even confirmed in the 2008 Official Marvel handbook bios:

"Exiles teamed with Excalibur,
to stop Jaspers & the Fury from destroying the Omniverse"

Originally posted by lando005
like how a destruction wave could completely destroy something
that is without end that statement in its self is contridictonary

Originally posted by Mr Master
Cool.

None whatsoever.

Jaspers was going to destory the Omniverse too, in 2007's "Die by the Sword"

This was even confirmed in the [B]2008 Official Marvel handbook bios:

"Exiles teamed with Excalibur,
to stop Jaspers & the Fury from destroying the Omniverse"

It's happened sevaral times (all reality/existence getting erased) in DC & Marvel. [/B]

Originally posted by lando005
alright just saying is sounds kinda odd
to completely destroy somthing tha doesn't have an end to it,
you gotta admit that

Anyway, finding perfect logic in a fictional creation is a dead end road,
like traveling back in time,
the very idea brings up so many unescapable paradoxes
that one quickly realizes how absurd the notion is.
And yet, cats that can't even destroy a Planet are swooping in and out of time.

If I named all the "odd" occurences that take place in comics (Marvel & DC)
I wouldn't have enough room on this entire page to complete the list.
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So let's not use the
"that doesn't make sense" argument in a fictional setting to devalue a feat.

Although, a valid counter to your dilemma could be,
there are different levels of Infinity in Marvel,
so under that logic, reasonably one Infinity can smother another,
in other words, the power of that Wave,
was greater than the infinity of the Omniverse.

Same understanding applies to the other Omniversal busters.
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That must be the case of Mxy and others
who have demonstrated the same Feat in DC's Omniverse.

Originally posted by Mr Master
That's a matter of opinion good friend,
what's of consequence is, it happened, it's a fact, and that's the bottom line.

Anyway, finding perfect logic in a fictional creation is a dead end road,
like traveling back in time,
the very idea brings up so many unescapable paradoxes
that one quickly realizes how absurd the notion is.
And yet, cats that can't even destroy a Planet are swooping in and out of time.

If I named all the "odd" occurences that take place in comics (Marvel & DC)
I wouldn't have enough room on this entire page to complete the list.
................................................................................

So let's not use the
"that doesn't make sense" argument in a fictional setting to devalue a feat.

Although, a valid counter to your dilemma could be,
there are different levels of Infinity in Marvel,
so under that logic, reasonably one Infinity can smother another,
in other words, the power of that Wave,
was greater than the infinity of the Omniverse.

Same understanding applies to the other Omniversal busters.
................................................................................

That must be the case of Mxy and others
who have demonstrated the same Feat in DC's Omniverse.

So basicaly all cross overs are canon?

Originally posted by lando005
like saying the rate of expansion of the chaos wave was greater than the rate of expansion of the omniverse... it was eventually overtaken, ok i get it

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
[So basicaly all cross overs are canon?

Originally posted by Mr Master
Which is precisely why they have their separate Omniverses,
where one can never influence the other.

Only in consonant cross-overs,
are the Two realities ever of any significance to each other,
this significance of course, remains contained withIN the cross-over.

i totally forgot why any of this is important........ 😐

Threadstarter asked" do the marvel and DC multiverses exist within the same creation"

http://img149.imageshack.us/my.php?image=altuhb2005streetsamuraids2.jpg

This seems to answer the question right from marvel

With this evidence i wonder why a updated -newer bio has not been shown? does the 2006-7-8 handbooks not have an entry for multiverse and omniverse?

All these scans of exiles, jaspers, and then ones explanation of said scans is not answering the question, they are only asking more questions, sorry but what does the newer handbooks state? do they leave out entries for multiverse and omniverse?

Originally posted by starlock
Threadstarter asked" do the marvel and DC multiverses exist within the same creation"

http://img149.imageshack.us/my.php?image=altuhb2005streetsamuraids2.jpg

This seems to answer the question right from marvel

it was obviously stomped the next year,
when we see the LT's bio where he's dealing with Two Marvel MegaverseS (on panel aswell)
That right there would make it impossible for Marvel to be a single Megaverse.

Further stomped in 2007 bios, as it is stated TOAA Created the Marvel Omniverse.

Originally posted by starlock
With this evidence i wonder why a updated -newer bio has not been shown?
does the 2006-7-8 handbooks not have an entry for multiverse and omniverse?

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(Late 2007)

Core Continuum Designation

"Numerical identification given to each Earth in the Omniverse"

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(Late 2007)

1. Omniverse

2. TOAA

1. "Group of alternate universeS which encompasses ALL Reality"

2. The entity believed to be the Supreme being/Creator of the Omniverse"

Unless TOAA Created DC the "real World" and all other verseS in other companies,
Marvel MUST have their own Omniverse. 🙂

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I don't really need to prove anything,
as the 2007 and 2008 irrefutable UPDATED evidence speaks for itself.

If Marvel is just a single Multiverse,
why is the Ultraverse located in ANOTHER Multiverse?

http://www.marvel.com/universe/Infinity_Gems

"taken by an energy vampire (Rune) from an alternate-reality.
In that other Multiverse, they were collected by Loki"

(This is referring to the Avengers/Ultraforce arc)

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How can this be?

We know the Ultraverse is One of Marvel's Universes:

(excerpt from the official Marvel handbook 2007)

"Ultraverse - Alternate Earth" (Earth-93060)

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And yet, it's withIN ANOTHER Multiverse withIN Marvel,
so How can Marvel be just a single Multiverse?

Impossible!!!

Originally posted by starlock
All these scans of exiles, jaspers,
and then ones explanation of said scans is not answering the question,
they are only asking more questions

What we do have a plethora of On Panel evidence not only referring to the Omniverse,
but actually artistically depicting (as in illustrated/drawn) not just statements.

In fact, the Marvel Omniverse has even been torn to pieces,
and remade ... this has been ceritifed in separate arcs.

Originally posted by starlock
sorry but what does the newer handbooks state?
do they leave out entries for multiverse and omniverse?

I ain't just yip yappin, it's all stated On Panel
and corroborated across different arcs.