Superman's Powers Vs. Apocalypse's Powers

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
You snatched the thought right out of my head.

All of those descriptions fit Carnage perfectly.

Forced "Natural" Selection is a lot more unique and less mundane than being crazy.

There's no depth whatsoever.

If you think that, then evidently I'm not describing the character well enough.

Read up on Joker then, is all I can say. Having read both Apoc and the others, I can firmly say that his motives are less satisfying and his origin more contrived.

Originally posted by StylishSmurph
contrived.

Originally posted by StylishSmurph
No. Carnage is a character that hops around shouting about how batshit crazy he is.

There's no depth whatsoever.

If you think that, then evidently I'm not describing the character well enough.

Read up on Joker then, is all I can say. Having read both Apoc and the others, I can firmly say that his motives are less satisfying and his origin more contrived.

Being crazy and not knowing right from wrong satisfies you as a motive?

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
There's the word I was looking for. It was on the tip of my digital tongue.

Pay attention.

'Contrived' has such a negative connotation. More like complex.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Which is exactly what Joker does. Jokes and all.

Being crazy and not knowing right from wrong satisfies you as a motive?

Go read The Killing Joke. Maybe even Hush.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
He said it before. 🙄

Pay attention.

Contrived has such a negative connotation. More like complex.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
He said it before. 🙄

Pay attention.

'Contrived' has such a negative connotation. More like complex.

And the two words have different meanings, and thus obviously different connotations. His back story as laid out in the mini, isn't really any more complex than a movie of the week, it is however pretty contrived - the pieces are forced in trying to give him some semblance of character.

Orphaned child with great power.
Raised in a trial by fire manner.
Dictator to be overthrown.
Dictator is blamed for father's death. Ergo revenge is needed.
Likes a girl. Girl eventually rejects him for his differences.

Not exactly the stuff of epics.

Originally posted by StylishSmurph
No. 😐

Go read The Killing Joke. Maybe even Hush.

I did? 😕
Negative connotation was intended.

You said convulted. Perhaps I should pay attention. 😮

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Where... 🤨

And the two words have different meanings, and thus obviously different connotations. His back story as laid out in the mini, isn't really any more complex than a movie of the week, it is however pretty contrived - the pieces are forced in trying to give him some semblance of character.

What's so forced about them?

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Nevermind that. 😮

What's so forced about them?

The story adds some needed depth to his character but in a pretty forced manner.

Same thing occurred with Vulcan really in terms of being given a pretty contrived history in order to create some sort of empathy for the annoying character that is Vulcan.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
See above, they're all pretty cliched plot-points strung together into a story. It's paperback romance novel stuff really imo. 😬

The story adds some needed depth to his character but in a pretty forced manner.

Same thing occurred with Vulcan really in terms of being given a pretty contrived history in order to create some sort of empathy for the annoying character that is Vulcan.

G'night.

I'm not sure about the others, but I have a hard time seeing Apocalypse's motives as being as deep as Magneto's. "Survival of the fittest" sounds like a fancy word for "jerk" to me. He wants things his way.

Magneto, on the other hand, wants to prevent mutant kind from going through the same thing he went through during the Holocaust. It's hard to call him a bad guy when he has a completely valid point, and by association his t-shirts are right, too. It's not about ego or greed, or at least not completely. But he does go too far sometimes so it's not that hard to call him a bad guy.

Originally posted by Doctor-Alvis
I'm not sure about the others, but I have a hard time seeing Apocalypse's motives as being as deep as Magneto's. "Survival of the fittest" sounds like a fancy word for "jerk" to me. He wants things his way.

Magneto, on the other hand, wants to prevent mutant kind from going through the same thing he went through during the Holocaust. It's hard to call him a bad guy when he has a completely valid point, and by association his t-shirts are right, too. It's not about ego or greed, or at least not completely. But he does go too far sometimes so it's not that hard to call him a bad guy.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Without survival of the fittest, there would be no mankind. It's how evolution works.

Also helped spur racism, sexism, a homophobia for which which billions of people were killed so the "fittest" can survive.

I digress 🙄

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Than whom?

Magneto, Joker, Luthor, Doom? Nah...

Wow, using some of the most well developed villains in the comic verse?

You don't have to be more well developed than these guys to be a deep or even a good character. Magneto and Doom in example are deeper than pretty much any Marvel villain :/

Not that you, with Kakashi in your sig, would be a great judge of whether or not a character is great....

I asked again whom exactly he thought Apocalypse was deeper than a second time and got no response... ermm

Edit: Oh and I made this sig like a year ago, and haven't bothered changing it, and don't have sigs and avatars turned on anyway. I made it more for the aesthetics than the characters appeal.

But ooh ouch hitting where it hurts, my signature. Fatality. Ad hominem's really going to provide Apocalypse with some much needed character development. 😐

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I asked again whom exactly he thought Apocalypse was deeper than a second time and got no response... ermm

Edit: Oh and I made this sig like a year ago, and haven't bothered changing it, and don't have sigs and avatars turned on anyway. I made it more for the aesthetics than the characters appeal.

But ooh ouch hitting where it hurts, my signature. Fatality. 😐

Fanboy 313

I was just kidding, but even you with your unbridled hatred for Apocalypse, must understand that it's possible to be a good and/or deep character without being comparable to Doom or Joker?

Well, CC did start comparing him to Joker and Doom anyway... 😬

And again, I asked whom he thought Apocalypse was so much deeper than... but didn't really get an answer...

Oh and I don't particularly like or hate Apocalypse, I'm not particularly interested in him I'll admit and I do dislike the misinformation that a certain fan of him is prone to though.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Well, CC did start comparing him to Joker and Doom anyway... 😬

And again, I asked whom he thought Apocalypse was so much deeper than... but didn't really get an answer...

That's because he's an idiotá

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Without survival of the fittest, there would be no mankind. It's how evolution works.

Originally posted by 2damnloud
Also helped spur racism, sexism, a homophobia for which which billions of people were killed so the "fittest" can survive.

I digress 🙄

Social darwinism and scientific evolution have very, very little to do with one another.

His backstory baby gets orphaned, is different, grows up, is enslaved, uses differences to win out etc. etc. isn't all that more interesting or compelling than a story arc in Xena the Warrior Princess or other Conan genre tales. Just add in some scifi elements.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot

child with great power.
Raised in a trial by fire manner.
Dictator to be overthrown.
Dictator is blamed for father's death. Ergo revenge is needed.
Likes a girl. Girl eventually rejects him for his differences.
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Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Well at one point you did state that you thought he had "more potential," but then later said he had "potential to be more than what he is." For the former, I'm not seeing it, for the latter, a lot of characters can claim that. Apocalypse isn't special in that regard.

Originally posted by batdude123
[B]This argument would actually hold weight if they were different versions of the same character. They aren't, so it doesn't.

I brought up 7 instances just off the top of my head to your 2. I'll even throw in another one:

Ruin blasts Superman with red sun radiation only to have it filtered out of his body in mere moments. Kal then proceeds to own him.

Using averages counts for more than approaching it from a narrow-minded perspective.