Superman's Powers Vs. Apocalypse's Powers

Originally posted by Blair Wind
You can get pretty creative with tech BD. I mean if he can really do anything he can imagine with tech, he could potentially create the ultimate nullifier (or any of the tech Doom uses to pwn Silver Surfer ala stealing his powers)

Aside from the fact that this is strictly theoretical, Apocalypse lacks the ability to create something as powerful as the Ultimate Nullifier. His power has a limit.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
So yes, with proper execution he COULD pwn a herald level character. In this case its intelligence vs raw power, sadly Apoc is not that smart.

Correct, but not every herald level character as nvr mentioned before.

One thing I never understood, is why he never abused the celestial tech in his own body. He can potentially create herald-smashing weaponry and celestial tech level bases, just by using his own body and technopathy, and yet aside from a few nods from Louise Simonson (SP?), he's never really exploited that side of his powers.

So yeah, powerset-wise, he could take most heralds. On-panel? Apoc is Magneto level, maybe a bit lower. 🙁

We know how good celestial tech is, we've seen celestials and others use it. Hell, Stellaris uses a celestial tech morphing armor, and she's around mid herald level with just that. she has no other powers. And she never demonstrated the vast array of powers that Apocalypse has. She was able to stalemate an avenger's roster with Thor, Quasar and Sersi.

http://www.immortalthor.net/bio-stellaris.html

Not to play semantics, but Nvr did say "should", not "would". I can't see him beating every character in the Herald bracket for a majority, but there are certain power sets in that bracket he matches up very well against. Apoc would have problems with characters that have more exotic powers like matter transmutation, time manipulation, magical attacks, etc., but characters that just blast and punch would be at a disadvantage against Apocalypse, and there's a lot of Herald level characters that fall in that category.

Matter-manip? High end sure, but Sersi couldn't transmute him, nor could Black Bolt. His molecular control gives him strong resistance to matter manip. So it's not exactly a weakness. Agreed on the others though.

Originally posted by illadelph12
Not to play semantics, but Nvr did say "should", not "would". I can't see him beating every character in the Herald bracket for a majority, but there are certain power sets in that bracket he matches up very well against. Apoc would have problems with characters that have more exotic powers like matter transmutation, time manipulation, magical attacks, etc., but characters that just blast and punch would be at a disadvantage against Apocalypse, and there's a lot of Herald level characters that fall in that category.

See the problem with fighting apoc is that one would need an insane amount of powers AND power to beat him. Let's say sersi is fighting him. She's slower than he is. She can't transmute him becuz he can control his own molecules and He has TP feats that dwarf hers.

If He's fighting let's say silver surfer, Surfer is faster for sure from what we've seen. But a smart user of APoc powers could give themselves warp speeds and transportation powers. Hell he'd literally be a living star fleet ship with like other herald powers. HE could pwn the surfer just by wonkeying with his mind and using his exotic powers at the same time.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
So yeah, powerset-wise, he could take most heralds. On-panel? Apoc is Magneto level, maybe a bit lower. 🙁

That argument doesn't hold any weight with me, Trick. Apocalypse has had his powers for what, 5000 years now? He's more adept at using them than any of us could imagine. You, Ill, and everyone else theorizing what is possible with his power-set is folly. The fact that he hasn't really done anything on a grand level isn't because he's stupid. He has experience with his power set out the wazoo.

After a while you have to start thinking that it isn't his CIS that holds him back. Especially when you consider the fact that he's a genius. He's just not powerful enough to give top tiers trouble. 😬

Originally posted by batdude123
Not to mention, if you were interested in exploring the cosmos, Superman's powers are much better suited.

I change my vote.

Now I want Superman's powers.

Originally posted by batdude123
That argument doesn't hold any weight with me, Trick. Apocalypse has had his powers for what, 5000 years now? He's more adept at using them than any of us could imagine. You, Ill, and everyone else theorizing what is possible with his power-set is folly. The fact that he hasn't really done anything on a grand level isn't because he's stupid. He has experience with his power set out the wazoo.

After a while you have to start thinking that it isn't his CIS that holds him back. Especially when you consider the fact that he's a genius. He's just not powerful enough to give top tiers trouble. 😬

Not to play contrarian, but the few times Apocalypse has faced "top tier" opposition he's held his own. It's not regular fare for him because he's an X-Man/Earth Based villain. He hasn't been written to be involved in any story arcs involving the likes of Gladiator or Silver Surfer, but he's gone toe to toe with people like High Evolutionary and Ikaris and made a good accounting for himself.

That said, it's truly immaterial to this thread because we're not debating the merits of Apocalypse as a character, we're debating the viability of having his powers in the real world. Whether or not Apocalypse himself is a tard has no bearing on what you could do with his powers if you had them yourself.

Originally posted by llagrok
I change my vote.

Now I want Superman's powers.

Sarcasm?

Originally posted by illadelph12
Not to play contrarian, but the few times Apocalypse has faced "top tier" opposition he's held his own. It's not regular fare for him because he's an X-Man/Earth Based villain. He hasn't been written to be involved in any story arcs involving the likes of Gladiator or Silver Surfer, but he's gone toe to toe with people like High Evolutionary and Ikaris and made a good accounting for himself.

That said, it's truly immaterial to this thread because we're not debating the merits of Apocalypse as a character, we're debating the viability of having his powers in the real world. Whether or not Apocalypse himself is a tard has no bearing on what you could do with his powers if you had them yourself.

And that's exactly my point. Apocalypse is better with his powers than any of us would be (unless we get his experience to go along with the power set). Therefore, his capabilities may not be as high as most would think around here.

I mean creating an ultimate nullifier with his technomorphing? Really B-Dub? 😬

If he was that powerful, he would've taken over the world a thousand times over. That's all I'm saying. People overestimate his power.

If you refer to the O.P. I stated you get full knowledge in the use of either powerset, so yes, you'd have his "experience" and your own creativity. I doubt you could create the Ultimate Nullifier with his powers as it's more than just a machine and Apocalypse likely couldn't create the power source for the device, but there are countless other applications for his powers, technological and otherwise.

Also, as far as space exploration is concerned (since somehow this has become a point of contention), Apocalypse can survive in space, morph into space craft and other advanced machinery, teleport great distances instantaneously, and he doesn't tire. You may not be able to fly or run at light speed (without creative use of his powers), but you could definitely simulate it by rapidly teleporting in any given direction. He can go from Earth to the Moon in a split second afterall. He can cover a lot of ground in a short span of time, even if not in the conventional "Up, Up and Away" fashion.

Apocalypse gets sold very short around here.

Originally posted by batdude123
If he was [b]that powerful, he would've taken over the world a thousand times over. [/B]

Except his goal isn't world domination.

Originally posted by illadelph12
but there are countless other applications for his powers, technological and otherwise.

Never said there wasn't.

There's just a power level discrepancy here.

Originally posted by illadelph12
Also, as far as space exploration is concerned (since somehow this has become a point of contention), Apocalypse can survive in space, morph into space craft and other advanced machinery, teleport great distances instantaneously, and he doesn't tire. You may not be able to fly or run at light speed (without creative use of his powers), but you could definitely simulate it by rapidly teleporting in any given direction. He can go from Earth to the Moon in a split second afterall. He can cover a lot of ground in a short span of time, even if not in the conventional "Up, Up and Away" fashion.

It's fine if you think that, but for practical purposes Superman's power set is much better suited for space exploration.

Originally posted by illadelph12
Apocalypse gets sold very short around here.

And in this thread he's being wanked.

Originally posted by Bad Ash231
Except his goal isn't world domination.

"He would've achieved his idea of a perfect world in which only the strong survive 1000 times over." 😐

Satisfied?

Originally posted by batdude123
"He would've achieved his idea of a perfect world in which only the strong survive 1000 times over." 😐

Satisfied?

Originally posted by Blair Wind
He's a techno green lantern...or more along the lines of an Engineer with more powers.

Powerwise, he can get creative. On panel evidence suggests he sucks at using said powers ermm

🤨

Originally posted by Bad Ash231
http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/4481/apochistory1ah3.png

http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/1238/apochistory2lr2.png

http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/9453/apocnotaconquerorcy9.png

Lulz. Those two instances are completely counter-intuitive.

Originally posted by batdude123
Lulz. Those two instances are completely counter-intuitive.

Oh, for Pete's sake...

Okay? I have no idea why you're showing me these scans.

Originally posted by batdude123
Okay? I have no idea why you're showing me these scans.

... He does not want to rule the world. Plain and simple.

Originally posted by Bad Ash231
... He does not want to rule the world. Plain and simple.

That's why I changed it to this in the first place:

Originally posted by batdude123
"He would've achieved his idea of a perfect world in which only the strong survive 1000 times over." 😐

Satisfied?

Dick.