Superman's Powers Vs. Apocalypse's Powers

Originally posted by batdude123
That's why I changed it to this in the first place:

Dick.

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Originally posted by batdude123
It's fine if you think that, but for practical purposes Superman's power set is much better suited for space exploration.

Well, that was more lame than I expected.

Wouldn't you have trouble navigating?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
If He's fighting let's say silver surfer, Surfer is faster for sure from what we've seen. But a smart user of APoc powers could give themselves warp speeds and transportation powers. Hell he'd literally be a living star fleet ship with like other herald powers. HE could pwn the surfer just by wonkeying with his mind and using his exotic powers at the same time.

Originally posted by Doctor-Alvis
You mean space lost-ploration?

Well, that was more lame than I expected.

Wouldn't you have trouble navigating?

Not if we get Superman's knowledge, apparently.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
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Originally posted by batdude123
And in this thread he's being wanked.

Exactly.

Originally posted by batdude123

It's fine if you think that, but for practical purposes Superman's power set is much better suited for space exploration.

Superman would likely need some sort of yellow sunlight emitting contraption while exploring red sun solar systems, if such failed(say while asleep). He'd likely be stranded there forever.

I'd rather have Apoc's powers. Formidability be damned.

What would make Superman's powers more useful than Apocalypse's powers in the real world though? That's the question. Apocalypse can pretty much simulate everything that Superman has as a power in one form or another, and has loads of options Superman does not as well. It seems the argument is moreso against the characterization than the actual abilities.

Putting aside the anti Apocalypse sentiments, what makes Superman's powers more useful than Apocalypse's powers?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
See the problem with fighting apoc is that one would need an insane amount of powers AND power to beat him. Let's say sersi is fighting him. She's slower than he is. She can't transmute him becuz he can control his own molecules and He has TP feats that dwarf hers.

She's transmuted Deviants and Eternals, the former being shapeshifters, the latter having control of their selves to the atomic level.

And no he doesn't have telepathic feats that dwarf hers, he barely has telepathic feats. He has one mind reading feat of Ozymandias, and one possible pisblast of Xavier. That is all. Sersi has mindscanned the planet before, and has psiblasted Exodus.

Oh and Apocalypse beat Silver Surfer? Ha.

Apoc > Sersi?

Lulz...

Didn't Apocalypse wake up from his hibernation (well, got 'resurrected' by Cable) and sense that the world's mutant population had been depleted when he returned after House of M? It's not exactly a telepathy feat, but it does show scope and range with his senses.

Originally posted by En Sabah Nur X
Superman would likely need some sort of yellow sunlight emitting contraption while exploring red sun solar systems, if such failed(say while asleep). He'd likely be stranded there forever.

Red sun radiation isn't what it used to be against Superman. He's supposedly moved a planet under a red sun, he's fought an entire army of metas ON a red sun, he's survived the supernova of a red sun, he's powered up a machine that had a mass 16x that of Earth's with his heat vision under a red sun, he fought Zod under a red sun and their blows were breaking apart the planet they were standing on, he continued to fight Eradicator after being thrown in a red sun twice, he beat Eclipso who as pumping out red sun radiation and kryptonite radiation all throughout the fight, etc... You get the point.

Escaping a red star system shouldn't be a problem.

Plus, Superman is also powered up by white and blue stars.

Originally posted by illadelph12
What would make Superman's powers more useful than Apocalypse's powers in the real world though? That's the question. Apocalypse can pretty much simulate everything that Superman has as a power in one form or another, and has loads of options Superman does not as well. It seems the argument is moreso against the characterization than the actual abilities.

So Apocalypse can create thunderstorms? biscuits

Originally posted by batdude123
Red sun radiation isn't what it used to be against Superman. He's supposedly moved a planet under a red sun, he's fought an entire army of metas [B]ON a red sun, he's survived the supernova of a red sun, he's powered up a machine that had a mass 16x that of Earth's with his heat vision under a red sun, he fought Zod under a red sun and their blows were breaking apart the planet they were standing on, he continued to fight Eradicator after being thrown in a red sun twice, he beat Eclipso who as pumping out red sun radiation and kryptonite radiation all throughout the fight, etc... You get the point.

Escaping a red star system shouldn't be a problem.

Plus, Superman is also powered up by white and blue stars.

So Apocalypse can create thunderstorms? biscuits [/B]

And, yet, was most recently rendered entirely powerless as soon as he arrived on a future earth which sported a red star.

I'm thinking Apocalypse's fans are taking far too many liberties with his technomorphic and physical abilities as depicted on panel, as if there are no limits.

Just because he can turn into a plane and fly away from his exploding base doesn't mean at all that he can turn into a Shi'ar starcruiser that can transcend superluminal velocities.

Just because he can turn his hand into a gun, doesn't mean he can make an Ultimate Nullifier.

I've never seen anything that suggests he could come close to emulating Superman's speed, or even really his strength considering some of the insane strength feats Superman has.

He has access to some Celestial technology, he isn't Arishem.

In a real world setting, I'd much rather have Apoc's, if I could do something about the acidified metal gorilla look.

Originally posted by Soljer
And, yet, was most recently rendered entirely powerless as soon as he arrived on a future earth which sported a red star.

There's more evidence of him being resistant to red sun radiation nowadays vs. him not being resistant.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I'm thinking Apocalypse's fans are taking far too many liberties with his technomorphic and physical abilities as depicted on panel, as if there are no limits.

My point exactly.

Originally posted by batdude123
There's more evidence of him being resistant to red sun radiation nowadays vs. him not being resistant.

And yet the most recent depiction of Superman vs. red sun radiation shows him having absolutely no resistance.

Corroborated by the red sun watch.

Originally posted by Soljer
And yet the most recent depiction of Superman vs. red sun radiation shows him having absolutely [b]no resistance.

Corroborated by the red sun watch. [/B]

Alright? That doesn't erase all of his other showings where it has little to no effect on him. It's called laws of average, and on average Superman is highly resistant.

Btw, I love the whole "I'm a dick" motif. It's very Val-like of you.

Psshaw. Val got that from I, I say! From I!

Originally posted by batdude123
Alright? That doesn't erase all of his other showings where it has little to no effect on him. It's called laws of average, and on average Superman is highly resistant.

Btw, I love the whole "I'm a dick" motif. It's very Val-like of you.

And those other showings don't change the fact that, currently, in both his on-goings, Superman is written with absolutely no resistance to red sun radiation. And, if I recall correctly, we do typically take 'current versions unless otherwise specified.' 🙂.

I haven't noticed acting particularly dick-y. Where did that come from?