Ryu Hayabusa v.s. KH Sephiroth

Originally posted by EvilAngel
Again, you are compeltely wrong.

Ryu more of an assassin one or two strikes and his enemy is dead. This requires blinding speed and great insight true.

Sephiroth is a Swordsmaster. His battles consist of swordplay with other combat specialists. In SOLDIER he was KNOWN to be the single greatest one of them all. This implies huge skill and experience when it comes to battles with other people who possess amazing skill, speed and strength.

While Ryu is skilled, Battleing against someone like Sephiroth would play into his hands. Ryu lacks the experience to Defeat Sephiroth blade to blade.

From my PoV i can't even see how this is debatable

Ryu has incredibly blinding speed, I agree with that.

Ryu is also a skilled swordmaster. He has massive speed that is on par with Seph's in the KH battle. DOA and Ninja Gaiden are two intwetwined games, DOA Hayabusa is younger than NG Hayabusa, thus he has had years pf experience and skill throughout the years of DOA 1,2,3,4 and soon to be 5, and in Ninja Gaiden 1, and soon to be 2.

NG is placed before DOA. Also Ryubusa is not lacking in experienced. Far from it. Ryubusa has been trained from birth,since he was able to be a killing machine. Ryubusa has fought countless battles and his experiences in NG 1 should last him a life time. Ryu is a skilled sword master. He is skilled in just about every weapon there is. and NGII will further it.

Ryu is either more or aorund the same amount of skill level when it comes to swords. Ryu also has an asortmen of other weapons. And knows how to counter eachone as he has shown in the Game.

I really hope they make a Ninja Gaiden 3. One that takes place after DOA.

Originally posted by Sol Valentine
Ryu is also a skilled swordmaster. He has massive speed that is on par with Seph's in the KH battle.

Speed and Skill are two very different things, as proved by Kariya fighting Ichigo, or Lee fighting Kimimaro. Just because Ryu's speed is comparable to Sephiroth does by no means make him as skilled, far far from it

As i said before, hence i'm repeating myself:

The Number of specilalized warriors Sephiroth has defeated is way beyond that of Ryu's.

Experience and Skill are both of Sephiroths side as you have yet to post any video that proves Ryu is on the same level as Sephiroth in Blade to Blade combat. And just so you don't throw that point back at me

YouTube video

lol. Doku, Spirit Doku, Alma, Awakened alma, The devil Incarnate VE, and the devil incarnate Murai. He stated them as too different categories.. Ryu doesnt even neccarisly have to use his sword to outclass sephiroth in close range battle. Have you even played any of the Ninja Gaidens?

Also he fought his evil dopleganger that is just as strong and as fast and as skileld as he is.

I just saw a demo of Ninja Gaiden II. Ryu's doing some pretty insane stuff. Basically, he's doing what Sephiroth does, only he gets to pick what weapon he uses. Judging by that, and all the other games and the bosses he's beaten, I'd say Ryu could definitely win.

Ryu's physical abilities do not come close to equating Sephiroth's.

Speed regarding the two would be about equal in terms of how fast they can travel in short bursts (meaning about 10 meters or so). Sephiroth can sustain traveling as fast as he does for long distances while flying. Although speed here could mean nothing seeing as they both can simply teleport anywhere. Speed at which they fight is close.

Ryu's attacks, ultimate techniques, energy and ninpo are pretty much < Sephiroth's abilities, judging with complete honesty here.

Last but not least, Sephiroth is farther from being a normal human than Ryu is. That by itself is not a supportive statement, but..

Sephiroth's durability is far greater (was hit by Genesis' fireballs which are destructive despite having done nothing to Seph).

Sephiroth can disable Ryu in some way with his telekinesis (the same way he leveled a building).

Wait...I'm talking about VII Sephiroth. 😛

KH Sephiroth is just as much greater than Ryu in my opinion, judging by all the crap he has shown to be able to pull off in battle. that does not mean Ryu hasn't a chance either. My first post on the first page provide my reasons.

Just my take on it.

Originally posted by Csdabest
lol. Doku, Spirit Doku, Alma, Awakened alma, The devil Incarnate VE, and the devil incarnate Murai. He stated them as too different categories.. Ryu doesnt even neccarisly have to use his sword to outclass sephiroth in close range battle. Have you even played any of the Ninja Gaidens?

Also he fought his evil dopleganger that is just as strong and as fast and as skileld as he is.

Lol, you comparing them to Sephiroth?!

Dare i say it i think you're bias here, you want Ryu to be better than Sephiroth in Reality, it's never gonig to happen.

Sephiroth 9.9/10

My completely honest opinion is that Spirit Doku, and both versions of the DI can compare to Sephiroth considering the facts about them.

Let's not bring them up for any reason, though, because anything about them does not confirm or explain Ryu's stats (such as what he can do etc.). Comparing only the stats of the characters in discussion is the best way to choose a winner...

Not that people have to vote for the same character, though.

I kinda meant, compare Ryu's defeating of them as an adequate reason as to Ryu's battle with Sephiroth but nvm

No. I stated those names as to who ryu has faced blade on blade. No im not trying to make Ryu better than Sephiroth. i already admitted Sephiroth takes the majoirty. Also imo Ryu has better TK. Levititating a peice of rock while standing on it manuvering it while attacking a very large enemy shows good control with TK. So i doubt sephiroth TK would really play a role in this.

Only thing Sephiroth's has is his special attack which Revovls around energy. But then again Ryubusa True Dragon Sword has been seen to cut through pure energy. In old school and against the VE. but Ryu does have moves to take out sephiroth with ease

100 winged Blade. Basicly evicerates opponents. Also Storm of he heavenly dragon. Then comes True Gleam of the dragon. The big Tornado attack. Which basicly slices and dices enemies. So Ryu does have a Big chance in defeating sephiroth. Just sephiroth has a bigger chance.

Sephiroth wins 6/10

lol How am iBias towards Ryubusa when i gave Sephy the majority?

Originally posted by Csdabest
No. I stated those names as to who ryu has faced blade on blade. No im not trying to make Ryu better than Sephiroth. i already admitted Sephiroth takes the majoirty. Also imo Ryu has better TK. Levititating a peice of rock while standing on it manuvering it while attacking a very large enemy shows good control with TK. So i doubt sephiroth TK would really play a role in this.

Only thing Sephiroth's has is his special attack which Revovls around energy. But then again Ryubusa True Dragon Sword has been seen to cut through pure energy. In old school and against the VE. but Ryu does have moves to take out sephiroth with ease

100 winged Blade. Basicly evicerates opponents. Also Storm of he heavenly dragon. Then comes True Gleam of the dragon. The big Tornado attack. Which basicly slices and dices enemies. So Ryu does have a Big chance in defeating sephiroth. Just sephiroth has a bigger chance.

Sephiroth wins 6/10

lol How am iBias towards Ryubusa when i gave Sephy the majority?

Perfect example of your bias is right there. Levetating a rock while on it, is better then bringing down half a build with a nod, HOW?! A raise of the arm summoning all the negative lifestream, Ryu show control of TK but no where near the power of Sephiroths.

HOW IS THAT BIAS. I just said better control. Control does not equal power. No where has sephiroth held anyone still with TK that would be bias. And do you forget that the building was already destroyed. Also

What are the powers of the lifestream. The lifefestream only stopped a meteor. It has never been shown to attack a human or anything else. So what is sephiroth going to do wit the lifestream.

So tell me how is Moving priobably a loose peice to send the building to crumble down which takes brute force how is that using more control than manuvering your self on a boulder while dodging attacks from a planet busting enemy and sucessfully killing it with minor injuries. Come on now. Your indications of me being bias are pure rubbish,

You saying im bias cuz ishowed an example of control rather than brute force when i clearly said control and stated control

Originally posted by Csdabest
HOW IS THAT BIAS. I just said better control. Control does not equal power. No where has sephiroth held anyone still with TK that would be bias. And do you forget that the building was already destroyed. Also

What are the powers of the lifestream. The lifefestream only stopped a meteor. It has never been shown to attack a human or anything else. So what is sephiroth going to do wit the lifestream.

So tell me how is Moving priobably a loose peice to send the building to crumble down which takes brute force how is that using more control than manuvering your self on a boulder while dodging attacks from a planet busting enemy and sucessfully killing it with minor injuries. Come on now. Your indications of me being bias are pure rubbish,

You saying im bias cuz ishowed an example of control rather than brute force when i clearly said control and stated control

[edit] ok the video has been deleted -.- and it's the only one i can find with the clip i need.

At the end of FF7 Sephiroth nearly tears apart the entire party using TK alone.

HOW IS THAT BIAS. I just said better control. Control does not equal power. No where has sephiroth held anyone still with TK that would be bias. And do you forget that the building was already destroyed

What are the powers of the lifestream. The lifefestream only stopped a meteor. It has never been shown to attack a human or anything else. So what is sephiroth going to do wit the lifestream.

Not only does the lifestream have destructive powers, it can be used to create materia, and just about anything on the planet. In FF7, Sephiroth tried to gather the lifestream into one spot where he can absorb it, this would have transformed Sephiroth into a true god. In AC Sephiroth gained control of the lifestream, with a gesture of his hand he covered all of midgar(by far the largest city) with it instantly.

What is Sephiroth going to do with the lifestream you ask? lol

Though it is an extreme powerful force. There is no point debating about Negative lifestream as this is Kingdom Hearts Sephiroth, and there's not Life stream in that, the Worlds have the keyholes and all don't they?

Originally posted by Terryc250
What is Sephiroth going to do with the lifestream you ask? lol

owned....theres no lifestream or negative in KH sephiroth disposal....

but ime also curious, whats he going to do? has anyone made materia on the spot?, is it quick? show me please

Yea i think its can possibiely done. But its not a feat sephiroth has ever done. Also moving tons. Brute force doesnt exactly say control. But the 8 people at the same time shows it aswell. But since people are sooo willing to say KH is different from FF then i think its crap that people only use his FF feats when it conveintent.

See, i don't think it can be. After all doesn't it take ages of being in the mako fountain thing doesn't it?

Originally posted by Csdabest
Yea i think its can possibiely done. But its not a feat sephiroth has ever done. Also moving tons. Brute force doesnt exactly say control. But the 8 people at the same time shows it aswell. But since people are sooo willing to say KH is different from FF then i think its crap that people only use his FF feats when it conveintent.

And only now your bringing up their different.

In the original KH Sephiroth Platinum match after summons in the meteors he uses TK to make them spin around him.

Originally posted by Burning thought
[B]owned....theres no lifestream or negative in KH sephiroth disposal....

Originally posted by Terryc250
Plz read first before making dumb comments like i often do , i simply answered his question about the lifestream and added a fairly odd asumption that sephiroth could use it to create materia.