Originally posted by EvilAngel
See, i don't think it can be. After all doesn't it take ages of being in the mako fountain thing doesn't it?And only now your bringing up their different.
In the original KH Sephiroth Platinum match after summons in the meteors he uses TK to make them spin around him.
OMG STFU yor being dumb. You arguing stuff that not directed to you. Im stating its crap that people say that they are the same only when it conveint but then go on and say that they are different in another thread.
But now after i responded to you nit picking every little thing I say. I do agree about it taking ages in a fountain. But im not exactly sure. i remember them saying somehtring about it but i dont remember it exactly
Originally posted by Terryc250
BT are you little slow-minded?he asked "What are the powers of the lifestream. "
Materia is made out of lifestream genius, what does sephiroth have control over?
Its ok BT, kindergarten is almost half way over, I'm sure they will teach you how to properly read in grade 1.
Materia is made of lifestream, so? a chair is made of wood.....just because i have wood doesnt mean i can make the chair...or perhaps something more complicated, if i had metal nad plastic, that doesnt mean i could sit and make a gun
but okie lets go along your line of thought....Kain has control over time, dimension, nature, energy, so he could just stop time, take the suns energy and annhilate the solarsystem before recreating the broken husks of planets and controlling nature to create life itself.....he has control over it genius 😛
now an argument to that may be, hes never shown that power......neither has sephiroth though has he? or does he have the ability just for being Sephiroth? hahaha
Originally posted by Sol Valentine
This is not Kain v.s. Sephiroth BT!
why you telling me that? Terry turned it into a debate, the only time i used Kain is as an example of TK and Terry started to attack Kain.....so i defended....
also debates for one character can be relevent for others simply because it would show to light weaknesses and lies about Sephiroth, so Ryu can fight a KH Sephiroth unaltered by fans, but ime not sure, i think in this fight Ryu would lose anyway, since the one in KH seems to >>>most other sephiroths with its speed and skill, the same would be for Ryu, his fate would be lost, although overall Ryu skills are probably many, Sephiroth still has his huge sword to gut Ryu
i actually was closer to turning it into a Sephiroth VS Xemnas thread here
Originally posted by Burning thought
iSeph would fall to Xemnas hard
where i directly said a character would defeat Sephiroth
Originally posted by Burning thought
why you telling me that? Terry turned it into a debate, the only time i used Kain is as an example of TK and Terry started to attack Kain.....so i defended....also debates for one character can be relevent for others simply because it would show to light weaknesses and lies about Sephiroth, so Ryu can fight a KH Sephiroth unaltered by fans, but ime not sure, i think in this fight Ryu would lose anyway, since the one in KH seems to >>>most other sephiroths with its speed and skill, the same would be for Ryu, his fate would be lost, although overall Ryu skills are probably many, Sephiroth still has his huge sword to gut Ryu
i actually was closer to turning it into a Sephiroth VS Xemnas thread here
where i directly said a character would defeat Sephiroth
Oh.
Originally posted by Furion
I just realized something, Kain only has those powers in HIS world. Whats gives him those powers in Midgar or Hell or places like that?
KMC rules usually
also what do you mean? what powers?
if your talking about the pillars kain has the powers even after the pillars break, the reaver gives him those powers since it has the pillar emblems which are parts of the pillars or certainly have the power of the pillars within them, it gives kain the ability to use the power of the pillars
Originally posted by Furion
But those pillars don't exist in Midgar or the Nether Realm or places like that. How do you know the Reaver would work that far away. In Reality actually.
because as i said he doesnt need the pillars for his powers, he has the emblems of hte pillars, if you check kain still has powers and his abilities after he gets his heart torn out, when your fighting spirits in the Oracle room, kain still has all his powers, so the Emblems give it to him through the reaver, without the reaver he would lose the power ofc in reality
otherwise its just KMC rules that kain would get all his powers
Originally posted by Burning thought
Materia is made of lifestream, so? a chair is made of wood.....just because i have wood doesnt mean i can make the chair...or perhaps something more complicated, if i had metal nad plastic, that doesnt mean i could sit and make a gunbut okie lets go along your line of thought....Kain has control over time, dimension, nature, energy, so he could just stop time, take the suns energy and annhilate the solarsystem before recreating the broken husks of planets and controlling nature to create life itself.....he has control over it genius 😛
now an argument to that may be, hes never shown that power......neither has sephiroth though has he? or does he have the ability just for being Sephiroth? hahaha
Theres a difference between, being able to just pick up metal and move it around, and having total molecular control over metal, Sephiroth had total control over the negative lifestream, he even says he would transform the entire planet into his ship.
No, Kain doesnt have control over those things.
Lets see.. you already know what the lifestream is capable of, Sephiroth has control over it, he even states he will turn the planet into his ship, he proved he had control over it, with a gesture of his hand he covered the entire city with it.
why you telling me that? Terry turned it into a debate, the only time i used Kain is as an example of TK and Terry started to attack Kain.....so i defended....
Originally posted by Terryc250
Theres a difference between, being able to just pick up metal and move it around, and having total molecular control over metal, Sephiroth had total control over the negative lifestream, he even says he would transform the entire planet into his ship.No, Kain doesnt have control over those things.
Lets see.. you already know what the lifestream is capable of, Sephiroth has control over it, he even states he will turn the planet into his ship, he proved he had control over it, with a gesture of his hand he covered the entire city with it.
Just had to correct to, you contradicted urself.. you think Kains TK is strong, yet you called Sephiroths weak, when obviously Sephiroth has much more powerful TK then Kain.
key woulds "would have done"...didnt, a lot of villains say they would do something but did not, and yes i suppose he would considering the lifestream is the planets spirit as it were
whats makes you say so? their the concepts he has power over thanks to the reaver, so he would be able to do anything with them.....same reasoning as you
all it can do from what ive seen is turn the planet into his ship, that wont help him in a fight on a planet that has no lifestream anyway. And when did he cover the city, all ive seen it do is fly above him, looks like a big black tornado
aye its merely a stronger blast but his much weaker at controlling smaller things with TK considering ive never seen him do it, assuming is pointless, controlling smaller things can be far more difficult than simply knocking a building down with a force
Originally posted by Csdabest
Well he has control over the negative lifestream. The Negative lifestream hasnt shown the ability to create materia. Just the regular one. Even then it takes ages. Just replayed it last night. So yeah. But just because he has control over something doesnt mean he has control over all its abilities
well exactley, thats the point i was trying to make, kain cannot neccerily (altho considering nothing is said much about its limits) control every aspect of the things he has at his disposal, neither can Sephiroth which is why kain was menstioned in the thread
but anyway, Sephiroth as Csdabest says has negative not regular, and furthermore, Ryu loses imo, i mean i dont know all of Ryus abilities, ime a noob at him, but KH Sephiroth seems to strongest sephirth and has all these fast powers and abilities
Originally posted by Burning thought
well exactley, thats the point i was trying to make, kain cannot neccerily (altho considering nothing is said much about its limits) control every aspect of the things he has at his disposal, neither can Sephiroth which is why kain was menstioned in the threadbut anyway, Sephiroth as Csdabest says has negative not regular, and furthermore, Ryu loses imo, i mean i dont know all of Ryus abilities, ime a noob at him, but KH Sephiroth seems to strongest sephirth and has all these fast powers and abilities