Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
You missed the point. Everyone else seems to disregard Odin's low showings and Dismiss DS's High ones. I was basically saying Odin has low showings as well. So trying to use DS low showings to some how dismiss him is BIASED.
Everyone has low showings and high showings, it's the average showing that is the true test of a character's resolve. DS's average showing is nowhere near Odin's nor THANOS's... Sorry it's true.
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Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirlActually Nvr,, I disagree.
DS lost once to Superman. And you do realize that he was being slowly depowered by the source wall. He hasn't had his full effect omega since like Kirby age. And I seem to remember Odin being knocked out by an earth quake and running from a villian Thor beat. Oh and SUperman has beaten an mutliversal being and another skyfather. So your point is moot.
In Superman/Batman 40 I believe, it says that Darkseid lost his Omega Powers when he was stuck in the Source Wall, and nothing more.
It directly responds to the time he was put in the Source Wall earlier in the Superman/Batman series, not from anything else. If that is what you're implying to. 🙂
Would you kindly point out to me when Odin was knocked out by an earthquake, and when he ran from a villain Thor beat?
And, Superman only beat the being because he tricked him. It wasn't through raw power, or because T-Vo is a God gift.
Who is this other skyfather, Nvr? Would you kindly point him out to me?
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Originally posted by Tony Stark
Everyone has low showings and high showings, it's the average showing that is the true test of a character's resolve. DS's average showing is nowhere near Odin's nor THANOS's... Sorry it's true.💃
DS. average showings include
Blasting the AM thru Luthor
Hurting the Spectre and the Spectre saying he wouldn't be able to stop DS from following
Creating alternate realities
Giving granny goodness skyfather lvl power
beating down highfather who is a skyfather
waving his hand and pwn top tiers
Surviving solar system destroying attacks
pwning old Gods with his OE
Killing and destroying Pantheons
Being the balance of the source with highfather
sustaining the power of apokolips thru the firepits
Creating Stayne
Taking blast from Highfather's staff
Erasing beings as powerful as the Infinity man
etc.
Time travelling
Etc.
Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Actually Nvr,, I disagree.In Superman/Batman 40 I believe, it says that Darkseid lost his Omega Powers when he was stuck in the Source Wall, and nothing more.
It directly responds to the time he was put in the Source Wall earlier in the Superman/Batman series, not from anything else. If that is what you're implying to. 🙂Would you kindly point out to me when Odin was knocked out by an earthquake, and when he ran from a villain Thor beat?
And, Superman only beat the being because he tricked him. It wasn't through raw power, or because T-Vo is a God gift.
Who is this other skyfather, Nvr? Would you kindly point him out to me?
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I dont' like you. and YOu didn't CAREFULLY read Superman Batman did you. DS didn't lose his omega powers. They were weakened. And any manifestation of them were from him struggling. Now since the source wall has not changed, then the retcon would go all the way back to when EVER DS has touched the source wall. Unless oyu can prove the wall has changed.
Superman beat a kryptonian skyfather once before. I believe it's in the respect thread.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
DS. average showings includeBlasting the AM thru Luthor
Hurting the Spectre and the Spectre saying he wouldn't be able to stop DS from following
Creating alternate realities
Giving granny goodness skyfather lvl power
beating down highfather who is a skyfather
waving his hand and pwn top tiers
Surviving solar system destroying attacks
pwning old Gods with his OE
Killing and destroying Pantheons
Being the balance of the source with highfather
sustaining the power of apokolips thru the firepits
Creating Stayne
Taking blast from Highfather's staff
Erasing beings as powerful as the Infinity man
etc.
Time travelling
Etc.
You forgot "surviving the batkick". That trumps alot of those you listed.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirlI did nvr. What would give you that implication?
I dont' like you. and YOu didn't CAREFULLY read Superman Batman did you. DS didn't lose his omega powers. They were weakened. And any manifestation of them were from him struggling. Now since the source wall has not changed, then the retcon would go all the way back to when EVER DS has touched the source wall. Unless oyu can prove the wall has changed.Superman beat a kryptonian skyfather once before. I believe it's in the respect thread.
My wording was wrong. That isn't relevant I'm afraid.
No nvr. That isn't right. It says that it was only weakened because he was stuck in the wall, not because he touched it. 🙂
Would you kindly show me the scans? It's kind of hard to search through hundreds of pages.
Plus, was he actually a Skyfather level, or are we led to believe that off of his status? I mean, does he have feats to put him on this level, nvr? 🙂
Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
I did nvr. What would give you that implication?My wording was wrong. That isn't relevant I'm afraid.
No nvr. That isn't right. It says that it was only weakened because he was stuck in the wall, not because he touched it. 🙂
Would you kindly show me the scans? It's kind of hard to search through hundreds of pages.
Plus, was he actually a Skyfather level, or are we led to believe that off of his status? I mean, does he have feats to put him on this level, nvr? 🙂
And DS was stuck on the source wall before. In the Titans Xmen cross over. And DC referenced that as being canon If I'm not mistaken.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirlI'm sorry if I confused you nvr, but that isn't the point.
I tell you what, DS does have feats that put him on skyfather lvl, and in some instances above it, now you tell me, does it make sense that Superman can beat him?And DS was stuck on the source wall before. In the Titans Xmen cross over. And DC referenced that as being canon If I'm not mistaken.
Would you kindly show me when DC has referenced that crossover as being canon?
Also, it specifically references the time when Superman shoves him into the wall as being the time his Omega powers were depleted, nothing else. So I'm sorry, but anything else is irrelevant to Darkseid's power going down, and it's complete unsupported speculation to say anything else involving any other altercations with the Source Wall had any bearing on DS's power. 🙂
Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
I'm sorry if I confused you nvr, but that isn't the point.
We were having a discussion about only when Superman shoved him into the Wall having any effect on him, not if it makes sense for Superman to beat him. 🙁Would you kindly show me when DC has referenced that crossover as being canon?
Also, it specifically references the time when Superman shoves him into the wall as being the time his Omega powers were depleted, nothing else. So I'm sorry, but anything else is irrelevant to Darkseid's power going down, and it's complete unsupported speculation to say anything else involving any other altercations with the Source Wall had any bearing on DS's power. 🙂
No. The story only tells us about what Desaad and Orion's wife knew. It doesn't limit the source wall draining him to that one point. The SOurce wall hasn't changed and neither had DS. And DS did reference that cross over when it mentioned DS being stuck to that wall. Which happened in that cross over if I"m correct. I dont' remember the actuals, but I'll find them with some research.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirlThey've never noticed this ever before. Only the last time he went in the Wall. 🙂
No. The story only tells us about what Desaad and Orion's wife knew. It doesn't limit the source wall draining him to that one point. The SOurce wall hasn't changed and neither had DS. And DS did reference that cross over when it mentioned DS being stuck to that wall. Which happened in that cross over if I"m correct. I dont' remember the actuals, but I'll find them with some research.
That my old friend, is unsupported speculation I'm afraid... and wishful thinking. 🙁
Would you kindly post the proof when you find it? I would like to see it. 🙂
Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
They've never noticed this ever before. Only the last time he went in the Wall. 🙂That my old friend, is unsupported speculation I'm afraid... and wishful thinking. 🙁
Would you kindly post the proof when you find it? I would like to see it. 🙂
IT's called a retcon. They never noticed it before SUperman batman. Or you would think DS would have been trying to rekindle his omega powers much earlier. Speculation is Ok when given that the DS has been imprisoned on that wall before. ANd the wall hadn't changed. Now it really doesn't matter, becuz DS only lost to Superman one time. Which would be PIS under forum rules. And given that Mr. Miracle says DS would never give a quarter, then APok now was Extreme PIS invalidated by The More recent Death of the New Gods.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirlWasn't Darkseid stuck in the Wall for like a year or so? Would you kindly give me the answer to that question, as I'm too lazy to go look for it? 🙂
IT's called a retcon. They never noticed it before SUperman batman. Or you would think DS would have been trying to rekindle his omega powers much earlier. Speculation is Ok when given that the DS has been imprisoned on that wall before. ANd the wall hadn't changed. Now it really doesn't matter, becuz DS only lost to Superman one time. Which would be PIS under forum rules. And given that Mr. Miracle says DS would never give a quarter, then APok now was Extreme PIS invalidated by The More recent Death of the New Gods.
But it only mattered in that one time... no other times. It is speculation to say he was depowered any other time.
Just because he might have only lost once, doesn't make it pis. He's been punched around by Superman quite a few times to my understanding. 🙂
It says you could never break DS's will... it never says he can't beg for mercy. Also, Superman actually beat the hell out of DS in a way he wouldn't have imagine... MM did nothing to DS but say he couldn't get an answer out of him. 🙂
Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Wasn't Darkseid stuck in the Wall for like a year or so? Would you kindly give me the answer to that question, as I'm too lazy to go look for it? 🙂But it only mattered in that one time... no other times. It is speculation to say he was depowered any other time.
Just because he might have only lost once, doesn't make it pis. He's been punched around by Superman quite a few times to my understanding. 🙂
It says you could never break DS's will... it never says he can't beg for mercy. Also, Superman actually beat the hell out of DS in a way he wouldn't have imagine... MM did nothing to DS but say he couldn't get an answer out of him. 🙂
Spin it how you will. Mister Miracle threatened to torture DS. And DS wouldn't bug on the subject. THis really means DS won't give into pain. ANd The ALE can do far worse than Superman did. Thus it is pis. And Superman and DS being physical peers doesn't bother me. DS has the obvious advantage in strength. he's smacked Superman down enough times. ANd Superman is the strongest Being in comics that isn't a skyfather or trans lvl. Hell Odin is class 70. And look how powerful he is. And yes, it is speculation that he was depowered, but it is a good speculation. Given the facts of the recent retconn.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
So people dont' have a right to an opinion?
It's Darkseid. 😐
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
IF a blast of the OE can make the spectre howl, I'm sure it can do so much more to Surtur.
If Spectre can withstand the OE like nothing once he actually starts to defend himself, then I'm sure Surtur can as well.