Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirlDeflection is deflection.
You mean the weakened OE? When DS was depowered? What if DS uses his finder beams first? Then what?
I don't remember anything about him being depowered. He was his regular old self.
Why would a homing effect prevent it from being deflected?
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirlI'm not spinning it friend, I'm telling it how it is. 🙂
Spin it how you will. Mister Miracle threatened to torture DS. And DS wouldn't bug on the subject. THis really means DS won't give into pain. ANd The ALE can do far worse than Superman did. Thus it is pis. And Superman and DS being physical peers doesn't bother me. DS has the obvious advantage in strength. he's smacked Superman down enough times. ANd Superman is the strongest Being in comics that isn't a skyfather or trans lvl. Hell Odin is class 70. And look how powerful he is. And yes, it is speculation that he was depowered, but it is a good speculation. Given the facts of the recent retconn.
Friend, I said nothing about them being equals, since Superman has beaten DS around before. The only indication about them being equals in strength, comes from DS giving himself compliments... and maybe beating a weakened Superman up, and Superman from their first meeting. 🙂
Would you kindly tell me what you base Odin being a class 70 off of? Odin has never shown that he has ever been weaker than Thor. 🙂
"Good" speculation is still speculation. It's also wishful thinking friend. 🙂
Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Deflection is deflection.I don't remember anything about him being depowered. He was his regular old self.
Why would a homing effect prevent it from being deflected?
DS was depowered. Reading New Gods would help. Or at least studying them so you can know. And The Finder beams render barriers moot. They Omega Beams then teleport thru barriers.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
DS was depowered. Reading New Gods would help. Or at least studying them so you can know. And The Finder beams render barriers moot. They Omega Beams then teleport thru barriers.
It didn't say so in the comic, so there's no reason to assume he was.
Not a barrier, just deflection by another energy source. Like heat vision, or something.
Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
I'm not spinning it friend, I'm telling it how it is. 🙂
MM did nothing to DS. Until DS actually experienced his buttocks being tortured, we don't know how he would react.Friend, I said nothing about them being equals, since Superman has beaten DS around before. The only indication about them being equals in strength, comes from DS giving himself compliments... and maybe beating a weakened Superman up, and Superman from their first meeting. 🙂
Would you kindly tell me what you base Odin being a class 70 off of? Odin has never shown that he has ever been weaker than Thor. 🙂
"Good" speculation is still speculation. It's also wishful thinking friend. 🙂
And DS has pimp smacked Superman a couple of times. Also DS seems to handle superman much easier than when superman has to go all out. I mean superman has to use speed blitzes and more to do what DS can do with a pimp smack.
Also Odin's bio's listed him class 70. Plus Odin wanted to mate with Geae so that his Son THor could be class One hundred. All the other asgardians seem to be around class 30.
As for wishful thinking, It's no more wishful thinking to think Odin is as powerful as poeple say when he could only rock a planet with other sky gods.
Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Would you kindly tell me what you base Odin being a class 70 off of? Odin has never shown that he has ever been weaker than Thor. 🙂
Well,there was an issue where Thor was shown and stated to be definetly stronger physically....but even then,being weaker theThor does not mean ur not class 100.
Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
It didn't say so in the comic, so there's no reason to assume he was.Not a barrier, just deflection by another energy source. Like heat vision, or something.
It's called a retcon. REad up on it. And another energy source wouldn't get in the way of th Ob's once the finder beams are fired. The Ob's would go around the Energy source OR teleport thru them. How many DS comics have you read?
Originally posted by Martian_mind
Well,there was an issue where Thor was shown and stated to be definetly stronger physically....but even then,being weaker theThor does not mean ur not class 100.
Naturally Thor is stronger than Odin. Much stronger. However through the Odin Power his strength can reach near infinite levels.
Originally posted by Larceny
Naturally Thor is stronger than Odin. Much stronger. However through the Odin Power his strength can reach near infinite levels.
Well,Thor straight up over-powered him at one stage,and the time they went man-to-man physically it was Thor who was holding back.
Not that I'm saying Thor>Odin always,i just wanted to say that this time NVR has a theory that has a bit of evidence.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
It's called a retcon. REad up on it. And another energy source wouldn't get in the way of th Ob's once the finder beams are fired. The Ob's would go around the Energy source OR teleport thru them. How many DS comics have you read?
Nvr you can't twist the comics to have them depict what you wanted to happen. If were talking about the instance in which the OE was deflected and stalemated by HV then DS specifically stated he was using the OE.
Surtur either deflects the OE or withstands the assault. 😬
Originally posted by Martian_mind
Well,Thor straight up over-powered him at one stage,and the time they went man-to-man physically it was Thor who was holding back.Not that I'm saying Thor>Odin always,i just wanted to say that this time NVR has a theory that has a bit of evidence.
Which doesn't have a tad bit of relevance when considering the possibilities the Odin Power grants. Odin can be class 70 or whatever he is or he could be class 1trillion and beyond. His choice.
Originally posted by Larceny
Nvr you can't twist the comics to have them depict what you wanted to happen. If were talking about the instance in which the OE was deflected and stalemated by HV then DS specifically stated he was using the OE.Surtur either deflects the OE or withstands the assault. 😬
Please pay attention. I'm saying that there was a retcon and DS omega powers were weakened. I dont' know what you are talking about.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Also Odin's bio's listed him class 70. Plus Odin wanted to mate with Geae so that his Son THor could be class One hundred. All the other asgardians seem to be around class 30.As for wishful thinking, It's no more wishful thinking to think Odin is as powerful as poeple say when he could only rock a planet with other sky gods.
It never said anything about strength. He mated with Geae so his heir could be greater than Asgard itself.
Odin wouldn't be much of a skyfather if he couldn't focus and direct his power now would he?
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirlWhat happened in the retcon?
It's called a retcon. REad up on it. And another energy source wouldn't get in the way of th Ob's once the finder beams are fired. The Ob's would go around the Energy source OR teleport thru them. How many DS comics have you read?
I know that the OBs follow the person, and go through obstacles, but I doubt they wouldn't be deflected.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirlLying has nothing to do with it. If DS believed that it would truly not effect him, then that's that. What we don't know, is if DS would have actually crumbled under the pain. He said he wouldn't... but...
With the Use of the ALE, Mister Miracle could tell that DS wasn't lying. He would never submit to torture. HE didn't need to do that to know.And DS has pimp smacked Superman a couple of times. Also DS seems to handle superman much easier than when superman has to go all out. I mean superman has to use speed blitzes and more to do what DS can do with a pimp smack.
Also Odin's bio's listed him class 70. Plus Odin wanted to mate with Geae so that his Son THor could be class One hundred. All the other asgardians seem to be around class 30.
As for wishful thinking, It's no more wishful thinking to think Odin is as powerful as poeple say when he could only rock a planet with other sky gods.
How many times old chum? Once, twice? Superman has smacked him around without a full fight like twice... and then there's the sun dip, and then there's Apok Now.
Bio's have listed Namor as lower than 100 tons... they are untrue.
Just because he wanted to make a powerful son, doesn't mean he's actually stronger than Odin himself. Hell, when Loki was in Odin's body, he beat Thor down pretty hard.
Also, Odin's father was out wrestling Thor a couple times... and Thor managed to scrape out one win. Just saying chum-dog. 🙂
Would you kindly tell me how one showing makes an average? He's rocked the universe more times than that... Plus, it was directed 2000 feet over the planet in a thin beam. It doesn't mean anything.
Originally posted by Martian_mindThor 455 or whatever? The time Masterson KO'ed Loki/Odin? Or is there another time?
Well,there was an issue where Thor was shown and stated to be definetly stronger physically....but even then,being weaker theThor does not mean ur not class 100.
True though.
Originally posted by Larceny
It never said anything about strength. He mated with Geae so his heir could be greater than Asgard itself.Odin wouldn't be much of a skyfather if he couldn't focus and direct his power now would he?
He didn't seem to focus to well when fighting the celestials. Or When fighting Thanos. He could have amped himself to physical lvls and just pummeled thanos right? We all know thanos can't fight beings who possess strength like you say Odin can amp himself to now can he? And yes Odin wanted his son to be stronger than he.