Darkseid vs. Surtur

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Lying has nothing to do with it. If DS believed that it would truly not effect him, then that's that. What we don't know, is if DS would have actually crumbled under the pain. He said he wouldn't... but...

How many times old chum? Once, twice? Superman has smacked him around without a full fight like twice... and then there's the sun dip, and then there's Apok Now.

Bio's have listed Namor as lower than 100 tons... they are untrue.
Just because he wanted to make a powerful son, doesn't mean he's actually strongerl than Odin himself. Hell, when Loki was in Odin's body, he beat Thor down pretty hard.
Also, Odin's father was out wrestling Thor a couple times... and Thor managed to scrape out one win. Just saying friend. 🙂

Would you kindly tell me how one showing makes an average? He's rocked the universe more times than that... Plus, it was directed 2000 feet over the planet in a thin beam. It doesn't mean anything.

Thor 455 or whatever? The time Masterson KO'ed Loki/Odin? Or is there another time?

True though.

Since the rest is up to view point, and most people like to choose the view point that lessens DS, I would rather not discuss it any more with you.

Originally posted by Martian_mind
Well,Thor straight up over-powered him at one stage,and the time they went man-to-man physically it was Thor who was holding back.

Not that I'm saying Thor>Odin always,i just wanted to say that this time NVR has a theory that has a bit of evidence.

That he bases off of bios, and breeding...

When did this forum start asterisk bleeping?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
He didn't seem to focus to well when fighting the celestials. Or When fighting Thanos. He could have amped himself to physical lvls and just pummeled thanos right? We all know thanos can't fight beings who possess strength like you say Odin can amp himself to now can he? And yes Odin wanted his son to be stronger than he.

Celestials are beyond Odin's amping levels. Odin beat Thanos.

Thanos fought Champ with the Power Gem. He had virtually limitless strength.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Since it's pretty obvious to myself that you have a bit of something of bias against me going on, I won't bother any more. I wills ay this, Superman has ONE valid win over DS. and He has to pull out all of the stops to do such. DS has more impressive wins over Superman given He can pimp smack clark and make clark think he would be mad to fight Him. Even in Superman Batman, DS took Superman's speed blitz and wasn't affected and then ***** slapped supers. DS is Still Superman's superior given the evidence.

Since the rest is up to view point, and most people like to choose the view point that lessens DS, I would rather not discuss it any more with you.

He only thought he was mad to fight him in their first meeting...

Are you talking about after DS cheap shotted Superman?

Would you kindly tell me how other people's view points are relevant to my own?

Your choice, brother. 🙂

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
IT's called a retcon. They never noticed it before SUperman batman. Or you would think DS would have been trying to rekindle his omega powers much earlier. Speculation is Ok when given that the DS has been imprisoned on that wall before. ANd the wall hadn't changed. Now it really doesn't matter, becuz DS only lost to Superman one time. Which would be PIS under forum rules. And given that Mr. Miracle says DS would never give a quarter, then APok now was Extreme PIS invalidated by The More recent Death of the New Gods.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Spin it how you will. Mister Miracle threatened to torture DS. And DS wouldn't bug on the subject. THis really means DS won't give into pain. ANd The ALE can do far worse than Superman did. Thus it is pis. And Superman and DS being physical peers doesn't bother me. DS has the obvious advantage in strength. he's smacked Superman down enough times. ANd Superman is the strongest Being in comics that isn't a skyfather or trans lvl. Hell Odin is class 70. And look how powerful he is. And yes, it is speculation that he was depowered, but it is a good speculation. Given the facts of the recent retconn.

DS drains his energy and adds it to his own, spite.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Since it's pretty obvious to myself that you have a bit of something of bias against me going on, I won't bother any more. I wills ay this, Superman has ONE valid win over DS. and He has to pull out all of the stops to do such. DS has more impressive wins over Superman given He can pimp smack clark and make clark think he would be mad to fight Him. Even in Superman Batman, DS took Superman's speed blitz and wasn't affected and then ***** slapped supers. DS is Still Superman's superior given the evidence.

Since the rest is up to view point, and most people like to choose the view point that lessens DS, I would rather not discuss it any more with you.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
DS drains his energy and adds it to his own, spite.

How, DS is abstract level...Surtur is skyfather.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
How, DS is abstract level...Surtur is skyfather.

That's right....cause Quanchi knows that even Thanos would get bitchslapped by Surtur

DS has had abstractlevel feats, why cant he drain Surtur...hes done it to beings of Surturs level before.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
DS has had abstractlevel feats, why cant he drain Surtur...hes done it to beings of Surturs level before.

Originally posted by KMC_Drifter
That's right....cause Quanchi knows that even Thanos would get bitchslapped by Surtur

Originally posted by quanchi112
This thread is about Darkseid and Surtur.

True, but other threads have never stopped you from going off-topic...when you felt the need!!!

Originally posted by KMC_Drifter
True, but other threads have never stopped you from going off-topic...when you felt the need!!!

Originally posted by quanchi112
Surtur wins. You and I both agree on this. I am not even going to bring up Darkseid's embarrassing past.

Sure....Surtur could beat DS now...but, Classic Kirby DS would be another story...he'd wtf pwn Surtur.

I have to say, looking at it from Nvr's perspective, there's not much direct proof of the Source Wall depowering DS other than S/B 40. But I can see why he would think that. As a retcon, it would explain his seeming depowerment over the years. I'm not saying I agree with Nvr, but I think his idea is worth considering.

Nvr: However, there's not much direct proof of your theory (unfortunately) and just stop bringing up Apok Now. It's a horribly bad showing and extreme PIS, but it's a loss nonetheless.

Bran: Come on dude. Superman is the only top tier who has ever had any kind of win over DS in a fight. And it's obvious that he was getting wanked like no tomorrow in some of those fights. To quote Galan: "When he has to be, Superman>>>>>ALL." So losing to him isn't the low showing that some would make it out to be.

Cosmic: Your bringing up the OE being deflected by freaking heat vision shows that you're biased and obviously not willing to listen to reason. That incident stinks of PIS and Loeb's writing. That entire issue was trash and had numerous plotholes and nonsensical elements. Like Supes creating a boomtube, or DS letting himself be taken to the Source Wall.