Comic Book Mythbuster

Originally posted by Eel O'Brian
Look, don't get your panties in a twist just because Crucifer could control Superman and Angel can't even bite him.

And I'm still right.

There's no shame in being wrong Smurf,just bow out quietly and leave the discussion to the adults.

Just thought I'd throw this in. Proof that Superman, Flash, Wonder Woman, and Martian Manhunter move faster than thought. Speed blitz for rell.

Actually,that was happening because Flash was amping the other three....

noob. dur

Originally posted by Martian_mind
Actually,that was happening because Flash was amping the other three....

noob. dur

Watch who you Dur, son. uhuh

Originally posted by Badabing
Doesn't change the point that all 4 can move faster than thought. Flash phased them to discuss a plan without setting off alerts since he's the only one who can share speed.

Watch who you Dur, son. uhuh

Posting a scan that in no way proves the point warranted the Dur mate.

Originally posted by Martian_mind
Posting a scan that in no way proves the point warranted the Dur mate.

That giant dur needs to go.

I'm about a day away from banning it from my forums.

crackers

Originally posted by Badabing
My point is that it's said on panel they move faster than thought.

Multiple times, in multiple places. 👆.

Originally posted by Badabing
Just thought I'd throw this in. Proof that Superman, Flash, Wonder Woman, and Martian Manhunter move faster than thought. Speed blitz for rell.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
That giant dur needs to go.

I'm about a day away from banning it from my forums.

crackers

Originally posted by Soljer
Multiple times, in multiple places. 👆.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
adminpower

crackers

Originally posted by Soljer
Multiple times, in multiple places. 👆.

thats what she said...

I got a WWH vs Flash myth for you guys to investigate.

Anything the flash would do would be ineffective. And yes the Hulk would rage him out of existence.

It's impossible for the flash to steal any speed from the Hulk since the Hulk is an infinite power generator. Explosive power at universally cosmic level is speed and therefore flash would take infinite forever to do anything of that magnitude.

As far as going back in time. Let Flash try and do that and the Hulk woudl be so strong he would grab the fabric of time itself and reality itself pull the flash back to present time for a pounding.

This is courtesy of a fanboy.

Busted or Confirmed?

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
I got a WWH vs Flash myth for you guys to investigate.

This is courtesy of a fanboy.

Busted or Confirmed?

crylaugh Oh jeez.....seriously who said that!!?

Originally posted by The Pict
crylaugh Oh jeez.....seriously who said that!!?

It's from a forum outside of KMC. Topic Hulk vs Speed. After 45 pages they still think Hulk thunderclaps Flash...and wins.

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
It's from a forum outside of KMC. Topic Hulk vs Speed. After 45 pages they still think Hulk thunderclaps Flash...and wins.

Oh man, I'm not even too sure that FOB is that bad. Makes me wonder if they even read comics or are just there for laughs.

Originally posted by Raoul
[b]Myth: That Superman was at his fullest while fighting Wonder Woman in Sacrifice...

Alright, so, for a while on KMC, there has been the perception that Wonder Woman held her own against a fully committed, ready to kill her Superman in issue 219 of her last series, and that it was an incredibly achievement for Diana. Now, while lasting any amount of time against a being such as Superman is undoubtedly impressive, I am here now to say that the power Superman wielded in that battle has been overstated... And i have what i believe to be definitive PROOF.

It all starts in Adventures of Superman 642, where we find out that under the influence of Maxwell Lord's telepathic power, Superman has been made to see incredibly traumatic images of loved ones being killed by his most dangerous enemies. Maxwell Lord had also recently murdered Ted Kord (Blue Beetle), and had taken control of the Brother Eye satellite. Lord uses the images of the likes of Brainiac, Darkseid, Doomsday and Ruin to scar Superman, making him watch them butcher those he cares most about in the world. With that rage boiling over, Lord makes Superman believe that one of his allies, Bruce Wayne, is one such enemy, and Superman attacks his close friend, almost killing him. Here's the scan:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v655/pr1983/sacrifice/AOS642-clarkvbruce.jpg

Batman survives (a supposedly full on attack from Superman), and with help from the Martian Manhunter, Superman and the rest of the JLA realise that Maxwell Lord is the one causing Clark to see these horrible images. After escaping the JLA's attempts to put him into protective custody, Clark heads for Lord's location, quickly followed by Wonder Woman.

When the princess arrives, however, she finds that Lord has once again taken control of the Man of Steel. Lord begins to describe how he has taken control of Clark, and has just made him watch, within his mind, Doomsday murdering his beloved Lois Lane. This fight takes place in Wonder Woman 219.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v655/pr1983/sacrifice/WonderWomanv221903.jpg

Lord then describes how its taken YEARS for him to achieve this much control over Superman. Not days, weeks, or months, YEARS.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v655/pr1983/sacrifice/WonderWomanv221904.jpg

Then, Lord sets the heartbroken, enraged Superman against Wonder Woman, and they fight, Wonder Woman convinced Clark is holding nothing back, as he's just watched Doomsday murder his wife:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v655/pr1983/sacrifice/WonderWomanv221905.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v655/pr1983/sacrifice/WonderWomanv221906.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v655/pr1983/sacrifice/WonderWomanv221907.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v655/pr1983/sacrifice/WonderWomanv221908.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v655/pr1983/sacrifice/WonderWomanv221909.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v655/pr1983/sacrifice/WonderWomanv221910.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v655/pr1983/sacrifice/WonderWomanv221911.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v655/pr1983/sacrifice/WonderWomanv221912.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v655/pr1983/sacrifice/WonderWomanv221913.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v655/pr1983/sacrifice/WonderWomanv221914.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v655/pr1983/sacrifice/WonderWomanv221915.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v655/pr1983/sacrifice/WonderWomanv221916.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v655/pr1983/sacrifice/WonderWomanv221917.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v655/pr1983/sacrifice/WonderWomanv221918.jpg

With Clark stunned, Diana uses what little time she has, and seeing no other alternative, kills Maxwell Lord, freeing Superman from his control. What happens next? Infinite Crisis, Alexander Luthor and Superboy Prime attempting to remake the universe as they see fit.

Over a year passes, before Booster Gold, still saddened by the loss of his best friend Blue Beetle, decides to change history, and rescue Beetle from the clutches of Maxwell Lord. He succeeds (Booster Gold 6), but changes history, changing it to the effect that Lord isn't killed by Wonder Woman, and using Superman as his puppet (along with an army of omacs), conquers the planet.

We do learn, now, that even with his powers honed over many years, that no matter how hard he tries, he is unable to make Superman kill for him (Booster Gold 8).

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v655/pr1983/sacrifice/BG8MaxcantmakeClarkKill.jpg

Of course, Lord isn't the first being that has attempted to coerce the Man of Steel into committing dirty deeds, there have been many more. One thing, however, remains constant. Superman's ability to resist and fight against the mental onslaught he is under...

Batman 612: Under Poison Ivy's control, Superman is forced to attack the Batman. Several times during the battle, Batman talks about how Superman is still fighting Ivy's control, and holds back even though his own body betrays him.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v655/pr1983/sacrifice/Batman612pg08.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v655/pr1983/sacrifice/Batman612pg09.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v655/pr1983/sacrifice/Batman612pg10.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v655/pr1983/sacrifice/Batman612pg11.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v655/pr1983/sacrifice/Batman612pg12.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v655/pr1983/sacrifice/Batman612pg13.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v655/pr1983/sacrifice/Batman612pg14.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v655/pr1983/sacrifice/Batman612pg15.jpg

Other examples:

He resists Maximas psi-bolts in this one. Sorry its hard to read.

http://img118.imageshack.us/my.php?image=424rf.jpg

Same with this one.

http://img515.imageshack.us/my.php?image=2077lm.png

Mageddon. Batman annoyed him. He broke Mags control.

Dominus.

Drives another mind controller out of his head.

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Superman/Supesbreakinmindcont.jpg

MM gets pwned.

http://i84.imagethrust.com/images/5pRN/view-image/martianmanhunter-20-p-18.html

Not only resists a mental probe, but reverses it back on its users, seeing their thoughts:

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Superman/supermanmentalresistance.jpg
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Superman/supermanmentalresistance1.jpg
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Superman/supermanmentalresistance2.jpg
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Superman/supermanmentalresistance3.jpg

It took multiple telepaths to subdue him with great difficulty...some died in his head.

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Superman/supermanmentalresistance6.jpg

He was still toying with them, and destroyed what was left with internal HV.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=10198701

Here he is resisting MAGICAL telepathic attack from Arion, and overcoming it through sheer force of will:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v655/pr1983/sacrifice/02-03.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v655/pr1983/sacrifice/05.jpg

and these are just some examples, they aren't even the entirety...

So, given Superman's incredibly impressive ability to combat mental control, and the ON PANEL proof that Maxwell Lord couldn't make him kill, the chance that he was actually at his fullest and actively trying to kill Diana is slim to none.

Myth. Busted.

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Many thanks to Avlon, Soljer and Bada for their input and assistance in putting this together... [/B]

This is an awesome thread, hopefully I'll contribute soon.

Originally posted by fangirl101
I don't agree with this at all. you know why? Becuase punching someone from the sun to the earth at faster than 8 times light speed is a killing blow. Also trying to drag them into the sun is a killing strat. Myth busted revoked.

If he wanted to kill her, he could have just tossed her say...the other way...right into the sun itself...

Myth busted.

Originally posted by Avlon
If he wanted to kill her, he could have just tossed her say...the other way...right into the sun itself...

Myth busted.

Originally posted by Juntai
Also noting the fact once again, that Max said he couldn't make Superman kill no matter how hard he tried.