Originally posted by 123KID
why not ?
i haven't seen one thing he says i agree with yet
maybe that'll change in future but as of right now i don't see me agreeing with GS about anything short of "was the Holocaust a bad thing?" and i think we'd both agree it was bad
You don't have to agree with me, everyones entitled to their own opinion, thats what makes debates so much fun. The problem is, you seem to get frustrated and very personal when i don't share your viewpoint. There's no need for that. ❌
Do you think i get worked up when people disagree with me? 😕
Its just comics at the end of the day is this really that important? 😬
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
The Batmite can beat the IB. GS just showed us how patheticaly weak she was.
Original IB would flick Mxy out of existence. It's like Mxy vs the Presence. But I'm sure your Mxy can even beat him. 🙄
Originally posted by Air Legend
GS was talking about Nemisis and started the thread by spamming it with a topic he's getting pounded on in the comic book forum.Original IB would flick Mxy out of existence. It's like Mxy vs the Presence. But I'm sure your Mxy can even beat him. 🙄
THe IB has never been anything like the presence. THe IB was NEVER a true supreme beings. They don't die. They don't seperate. They are always and forever. There is nothing the IB did that mxy hasn't.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
THe IB has never been anything like the presence.THe IB was NEVER a true supreme beings. They don't die. They don't seperate. They are always and forever.
There is nothing the IB did that mxy hasn't.
A supreme being can die if it wants to.
Actually, the IB did everything in Marvel, so in fact, Mxy has never done anything the IB has.
Hell Classic Molecule Man would snap Mxy, all his little buddies, and Ultimator out of existence. However, you're just content with rambling about nonsense with no stakes at hand. It's still funny how you cowardly backed out from our planned battlezone match because you realized you would have been banned for 3 months. So instead you spew your lies here where you are safe from retribution.
Originally posted by Air Legend
Being the original creator of its company.A supreme being can die if it wants to.
Actually, the IB did everything in Marvel, so in fact, Mxy has never done anything the IB has.
Hell Classic Molecule Man would snap Mxy, all his little buddies, and Ultimator out of existence. However, you're just content with rambling about nonsense with no stakes at hand. It's still funny how you cowardly backed out from our planned battlezone match because you realized you would have been banned for 3 months. So instead you spew your lies here where you are safe from retribution.
I've never seen the classic Molecule man destroy and recreate every fiber of the marvel verse. I've never seen the IB retconn anyone. Hell, it got retconned right? So talk trash all you want. My view is my own.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
No need to hype up feats so that you can justify your version of the Marvel hierarchy.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Marvel doesnt have its own omniverse,
Marvels collection of realities exists within an omniverse alongside DC:
http://img149.imageshack.us/my.php?...tsamuraids2.jpg
Confirmed in Late 2007 Official Marvel Handbook bios:
1. Omniverse
2. TOAA
1. "Group of alternate universeS which encompasses ALL Reality"
2. The entity believed to be the Supreme being/CREATOR of the Omniverse"
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Here's that same Omniverse, illustrated (drawn) On Panel in Marvel comics:
(describing it exactly like in the official Marvel bio)
"Reality ... Brian came to realize the size and breadth of Reality,
he learned of the Omniverse and its unending alternatives,
Alternative Realities ...
the Omniverse is the collection of All those possibilities"
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(artistically depicted, as an actual place with substance withIN Marvel)
"The Omniverse" ✅
Originally posted by GalacticStormhttp://img149.imageshack.us/my.php?...tsamuraids2.jpg
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=474708&pagenumber=1
I have my own bump into your thread:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=474708&pagenumber=4
It completely dispels the comedic notion that claims Marvel is just a single Multiverse.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Plus creating 616 doesnt result in the automatic creation of all Marvel realities.
After the prime 616 universe, parallel universes formed from it latter which had similarities from the prime universe but were inherently different and divergent realities later formed, universes which shared a common history with 616 but diverged at some point.
http://www.marvel.com/universe/Marvel_Universe
"Although considered the “prime reality” in which events of Universal significance occur
(and, indeed, Megauniversal and/or Omniuniversal significance),
This Reality is designated as number 616 (thus, “Earth-616”) ... "
~swamp~
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This is why this can happen:
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Uatu and the Watcher realized
that nanoseconds after the 616 Reality dies,
the Omniverse will die:
"After my last report however, we were forced to reinspect our fundamental principles.
We concluded that the destruction of This Universe,
while still bounded by the speed of light,
would occur within an expanding simultaneity, which would,
paratemporally, have begun immediately following the initial
nanoseconds of This Universe.
And then it would Expand outward from This Universe ...
we call it 616 ... to engulf All Others ... "
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Dr Stange is confused with the Uatu's explanation,
so Uatu tells him in plain engilsh the fact concerning the significance
of the 616 Reality:
Dr Strange says,
"I do not understand ... please explain more simply"
Uatu explains more simply,
"If your World Dies now, Stephen, it will take Everything with it.
Not only This Universe (616) but All the Other UniverseS as well.
Everything there is, will End.
Or rather put it even more simply, Everything will never have been"
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Is this a fluke? Not at all folks.
Here we are in yet another title where the same thing is stated,
by Ute:
"Or THIS, the Prime Reality (616) will fall and with it ... ALL EXISTENCE"
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Stop trying to hype up characters who merely re-created a universe,
up to omniversal status
to justify your agenda defined hierarchy.
I sincerely doubt it ... anyways, gibberish.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
If all Marvel realities were created at the same time then why would there be "baby universes"
as featured in Ultimate Extinction, universes which have yet to go through their Big Bang?
When the Marvel Omniverse has been erased,
it's always been re-created back to its original state.
Only Thanos, and Genis made slight differences concerning beings,
but no one has twisted the order of Cosmic consonance
that keeps All Reality balanced.
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Sis-Neg erased Marvel, and returned to where it was before he erased it.
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Entropy/Genis, erased Eternity (Multiverse) that erased all of Marvel as a result.
Then Entropy exploded into the next Multiverse as Eternity again,
all of Marvel is created again to it's original point. (the cosmic cycle)
Genix made some changes but on personal level (dealing with people he knew)
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Thanos erased 616,
and from withIN 616 continued to absorb until nothing remained.
Only existences Outside of Time/Space seemed to be left untouched,
or only Atleza's realm was left behind,
so Warlock can "witness" Thanos' "grand gesture"
that being, re-creating Marvel:
And Mistress Death,
perhaps he overlooked her subconsciously due to his "Love" for her.
Or again, it could've been cause he left realms outside of Space/Time untouched.
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The Alien Entity traveled back through Time & Space
and by accident or design folded all of Marvel's History into a Void,
the AE confirned On Panel to be the true "Spark" that ignites the "Fires of Creation"
not only that,
but the AE produced the "Spark" from withIN his body,
AE actually chose when to put that "Spark" into action by sayin,
"let there be Light" (like the voice of God)
Reed, who also played a role in creating the "Spark"
was the "quest for Knowledge" that helped create the "Spark"
the AE was the "quest for Truth"
After the AE "Spark" the original Big Bang,
the AE managed to merge with the "energies and forces" that create All of Marvel,
indeed, the AE became the embodiment of the "Fires of Creation"
"Then let me ... open your mind ... to Me ... to the Fires of Creation."
With Reed's mind,
the AE was able to re-create All of Marvel back to it's original state,
the state it was in before they remade it.
The AE continued on to merge with the Future too. 🙂
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Hold up,
i thought you said the re-creation of 616 via a Big Bang created the "Marvel omniverse"?
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Originally posted by GalacticStorm
I know what I Being has done as per continuity and i'm betting thats different to what you're saying the I Being is responsible for and capable of within this thread.
The Infinity Being is still that Entity that was once the ONLY Sentience in all of Marvel,
until it committed suicide cause it had no peers.
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http://www.marvel.com/universe/Infinity_Gems
"The Infinity Gems ...
Each one allows its owner complete Omnipotence ...
wielded together, nothing is impossible for their bearer ...
The Gems were actually once part of the primordial entity Nemesis,
who, eons ago,
ended its existence rather than live as the ONLY sentience in the Universe."
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In fact,
Marvel.com states the Infinity Gauntlet grants,
http://www.marvel.com/universe/Infinity_Gauntlet_(item)
Powers: "Absolute Omnipotence when the Gems are used altogether"
yawn
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The IG alone makes one "God" (absolute Omnipotence) beneath the LT,
and that's just a partial demonstration of the Infinity Being.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
What has I being done as per continuity, you tell me?
Imo, those are the "energies and forces" that personify the "Fires of Creation"
imo, it is that power that the Alien Entity now embody's.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I've never seen the IB retconn anyone. Hell, it got retconned right?
Just wanna point out, that Nemesis was never able to fully reach her potential,
not even close, because the Gem were struggling for control over her.
But even still,
Nemesis was able to destroy the 616 Universe and the Ultraverse,
those are the Two Prime UniverseS of their respective MultiverseS. (specially 616)
and then,
she was able to remake a New Reality that was made from both:
"What we have witnessed
and experience of TWO Universes (616/Ultraverse) must be UNDONE!"
"in the blink of an eye the Being called Nemesis Obliterates Two Universes "
"not with destructive force,
but with a wave of creative energy,
thus Reality is not brought to the edge of apocalypse, but its very Origins"
http://www.marvel.com/universe/Infinity_Gems (like I said across Two MultiverseS)
(second to last paragraph)
"The Infinity Gems were sought by numerous other beings, including Count Abyss,
but were eventually taken by an energy vampire from an alternate-reality.
In that OTHER Multiverse, ✅
they were collected by Loki but then reunited with a seventh gem, the Ego Gem,
the remnant of Nemesis' consciousness,
who wreaked havoc in BOTH Dimensions."
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After obliterating the Two Universes (616/Ultraverse) Nemesis began to create:
"a brief sketch of a working Universe,
a few thousand miles across,
containing Elements of UniverseS It'd experienced"
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This is a Trans-Multiversal feat. (and she wasn't able to reach her potential)
This would be her potential:
"This Being was the only Living Thing that Existed within Any and ALL Realities"
"ALL That Was and ALL that Was, Was it "
Then Thanos says, "I wouldn't blame you for calling it GOD ...
What other name would fit?"
(which makes sense)
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"ALL That Was Was already Part of Itself ... there was NO Other in it's Life"
"It chose to put an End to itself ...
from it's Ashes rose ALL That is currently Reality ... in ALL it's many forms"
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Diana of the Dark Shoppe (from another Multiverse) basically tells the same tale:
"Many Millennia ago in your Universe, (the Prime Multiverse that is)
[i]there was a God with the power of Infinity,
even with control of ALL that is,
the God's loneliness could not be soothed, by his own hand he died"
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And This Truth, has NEVER been retconned:
http://www.marvel.com/universe/Infinity_Gems
"The Infinity Gems ...
Each one allows its owner complete Omnipotence ...
wielded together, nothing is impossible for their bearer ...
The Gems were actually once part of the primordial entity Nemesis,
who, eons ago,
ended its existence rather than live as the ONLY sentience in the Universe."
