Galactus has rarely been portrayed as fully fed. Once in the original SW and in FF #337-341. So, being 'weak' is how everyone perceives him. Is that Marvel's fault. I think u and I can agree it is
Earth X Franklin as Galactus. Heroes Reborn, Frankie=1 Celestial. Writers tend to forget wats written
Exitar the Exterminator was briefly fazed, still carried his mission and destroyed the evil part of Pangoria and let the good live
Imo the closest we get is doom when the power of Galactus worldship in the secret wars. And you know that his levels of hunger is changing from story to story never sure when he is feed ore if he isn't...
And like Tenebrous once said, Marvel has choosed to honor one of there Great cosmic (celestials) and degenerate the other (Galactus)
And Galactus wasn't faced he just called Stardust in to deal with the flie 😛
Again, its a shame we don't see Galactus at his best. Heroes have always driven him from his goal. Last showing, getting 'hurt' and 'fed' from Gravity. Marvel has truly sunk to an all time low
In regards to Tenebrous and Aegis, be nice to see them return
Ah Stardust, getting socked by Ben Grimm. More nonsense from Marvel, but Ben did k/o Norrin
Originally posted by guy222
Again, its a shame we don't see Galactus at his best. Heroes have always driven him from his goal. Last showing, getting 'hurt' and 'fed' from Gravity. Marvel has truly sunk to an all time lowIn regards to Tenebrous and Aegis, be nice to see them return
Ah Stardust, getting socked by Ben Grimm. More nonsense from Marvel, but Ben did k/o Norrin
Weel he hadn't fed since he was realised from annihilation I think so the guy must have been pretty hungry 😛
And Galactus should from this point onwards only have the same writer as in Annihilation which apparently understand what powerlevels he works under 🙂
And to see Galactus kick there ass this team and not sure.
What about BP being capable of knockout Surfer 😆
Originally posted by Utrigita
It smells more like a retcon to me...Again possible retcon because in the Tyrant incident we know that Galactus was trying to disassemble the UN but couldn't find the energy to do so, I smell more PIS in that first illustration then I do in the latest issues which clearly shows that Galactus has a high command over the UN.
A retcon has to be clear, like the LT/Beyonder thing was.
Also, you have to weight the events. The first appearance of Galactus is a storyline that comics after it are judged by, not the other way around. Galactus was awesome in his first appearance and their was no way that the FF was beating him on their own as per the storyline.
Originally posted by Utrigita
Well they don't have to 😛
They do if they want my respect (and more of my dollars, I have dropped ASM as a result of OMD for example, and probably will drop both Avengers books for their destruction of the MU in general the way things are going).
But this is all out of topic.
Originally posted by Utrigita
Really since when Galactus has always been a merging between a Mortal and a Abstract, and is there a certain level of power one have to be consideret a Abstract, The
For Galactus to be truly an Abstract entity, he would have to be based on a concept.
Galactus Prime (616 Galactus) is basically a giant planet eating prison cell. That's all he does.
Originally posted by UtrigitaA Galactus that was so weak that he had to resort to tech, and in the same Act (if we are thinking on the same incident) then Thor had to channel such a level of the Odinforce against Galactus that he couldn't even hold Mjolner and then directed his attack against a Galactus that wasn't prepared wow great work.
Thor did not channel the Odinforce, he channeled his own Godforce (which is Elder god level, as shown several times over).
Also, what is more effective, shooting someone in the back of the head when they can't see you or standing in front them letting them see you start the attempt and have a chance to draw their own gun. There is a reason snipers are so effective.
Originally posted by Utrigita
Not denying the busted Galaxies but as mentioned the Consume universe part has been retconned, And Odin never damaged the multiverse in his battle with Seth, he destroyed death Galaxies that was located in the prime 616 universe and was tearing in the fabric of the multiverse, I can tear at the corner of a carpet thus I'm tearing in the fabric that makes up the carpet but that doesn't mean I'm tearing at the entire Carpet.
The so-called retcon of the Infinity Saga event, means
either
1) Odin can draw upon the power of Infinity at will
or
2) Infinity (the abstract entity) is the actual source of the Odinpower
or
3) the two characters involved, Thor and Maelstrom, had no clue what they were talking about.
Originally posted by Utrigita
Impressive, Galactus defeated the Proimael Gods beings that rival the Celestials in power in theory.
We have yet to see this primordial conflict of the "beings of the Cosmic Consonance". I have a thought that it may be a future Annihilation event, or be revealed in one.
Originally posted by Utrigita
No chance that Odin would defeat a single Celestial his greatest creation the Destroyer would get owned by a single Celestial. And I think in that act Odin attacked with all the strenght he could muster he along with his fellow styfathers was angry because of the celestials seeing themselves as having a course far beyond what concerned the Skyfathers and they where humbled.
You are confusing two sets of events.
I refer to the events of Thor #300.
Odin, in the Destroyer armor, with the Odinsword and all the godforce of the gods of Asgard besides Thor, in an environment where he could go all out, is going to beat probably 2 Celestials maybe even 3, but not 10-12 of them.
Originally posted by Utrigita
Galactus ftw IMO. 🙂
To each his own.
I would say it this way
up and until Galactus is like 65% or so, Odin wins, simply because Odin is far wiser and more savy that Galactus. The very fact that Thor can deliver a potentially mortal wound to Galactus, and Odin is thousands of times more powerful than classic Thor tells me this. After about 65% or so, Galactus becomes so powerful that he can literally overwhelm anything used against him, despite Galactus ineptitude.
Originally posted by thtadthtshldntb
A retcon has to be clear, like the LT/Beyonder thing was.Also, you have to weight the events. The first appearance of Galactus is a storyline that comics after it are judged by, not the other way around. Galactus was awesome in his first appearance and their was no way that the FF was beating him on their own as per the storyline.
Hence calling for a Plot device the UN, It is exactly the same situation as shown in which the confrontation with Tyrant, Galactus suddenly forgot important fact about his creation, but he stated that he could have disassembled the UN if he hadn't been so weak. So we have two instance where Galactus states that he can control the UN against one where earth only chance of survival was the UN.
They do if they want my respect (and more of my dollars, I have dropped ASM as a result of OMD for example, and probably will drop both Avengers books for their destruction of the MU in general the way things are going).But this is all out of topic.
yes.
For Galactus to be truly an Abstract entity, he would have to be based on a concept.
He is based on a Concept actually a combination between Death and Eternity, Infinity and Oblivion, he is the death that comes to all eventually.
Galactus Prime (616 Galactus) is basically a giant planet eating prison cell. That's all he does.
Not quiet in during that, he forfilles his role to the letter, giving death more power (killing) and giving Eternity more power (Making more space)
Thor did not channel the Odinforce, he channeled his own Godforce (which is Elder god level, as shown several times over).
I thought that the God Blast was a aspect of the Odin Force hence Odins reasons for in one issue being capable of manipulating it ore something like that.
Also, what is more effective, shooting someone in the back of the head when they can't see you or standing in front them letting them see you start the attempt and have a chance to draw their own gun. There is a reason snipers are so effective.
The First but that is what we on this forum tend to call a cheap shoot. And you are forgetting the exact effect the God Blast had on Galactus it didn't directly hurt him, instead it was drawing out his Biosphere energy, his very foundation for Survival, Impressive but directly damage him, I don't see it do that also the way I see the asgardiens. In the early days of Marvel Comics, the gods of Asgard were the most powerful beings in the Universe, but as time, writers, and storylines progressed, the power of the cosmic beings of the Marvel Universe began to eclipse that of Odin and his children. This is why Thor's attacks early on in Thor #160-#161 hurt Galactus, when today the World Devourer would simply ignore them.
The so-called retcon of the Infinity Saga event, means
either
1) Odin can draw upon the power of Infinity at will
How did you reach that conclusion since it said that he gained fraction of her power, (borrow Stole etc) that doesn't mean that he can draw apon it at will.
or
2) Infinity (the abstract entity) is the actual source of the Odinpower
Likely even though I don't quiet see how that helps RLT...
or3) the two characters involved, Thor and Maelstrom, had no clue what they were talking about.
I think Thor which helped his father to defeat Infinity would have a pretty good idea what he is talking about.
We have yet to see this primordial conflict of the "beings of the Cosmic Consonance". I have a thought that it may be a future Annihilation event, or be revealed in one.
We doesn't really have to since we know that Galactus defeated every single one of them that was fighting with Diableri.
You are confusing two sets of events.I refer to the events of Thor #300.
Odin, in the Destroyer armor, with the Odinsword and all the godforce of the gods of Asgard besides Thor, in an environment where he could go all out, is going to beat probably 2 Celestials maybe even 3, but not 10-12 of them.
No not really when three Skyfathers fail to even to remotely damage to a Celestial with all there power, (I don't see them holding back), and we then have the Destroyer with all the power still getting owned, it didn't manage to leave a lasting mark on a single Celestial, it was pwned and left like a piece of scrab, and no battlefield would change that.
To each his own.
Agreed.
I would say it this wayup and until Galactus is like 65% or so, Odin wins, simply because Odin is far wiser and more savy that Galactus. The very fact that Thor can deliver a potentially mortal wound to Galactus, and Odin is thousands of times more powerful than classic Thor tells me this. After about 65% or so, Galactus becomes so powerful that he can literally overwhelm anything used against him, despite Galactus ineptitude.
I'm just counting what have happend and have been shown in the comics so far and that tells me that Galactus weak would take the majority against Odin.
Originally posted by thtadthtshldntb
up and until Galactus is like 65% or so, Odin wins, simply because Odin is far wiser and more savy that Galactus. The very fact that Thor can deliver a potentially mortal wound to Galactus, and Odin is thousands of times more powerful than classic Thor tells me this. After about 65% or so, Galactus becomes so powerful that he can literally overwhelm anything used against him, despite Galactus ineptitude.
How stupid can you get?
Originally posted by Utrigita
Hence calling for a Plot device the UN, It is exactly the same situation as shown in which the confrontation with Tyrant, Galactus suddenly forgot important fact about his creation, but he stated that he could have disassembled the UN if he hadn't been so weak. So we have two instance where Galactus states that he can control the UN against one where earth only chance of survival was the UN.
The instance where Galactus fled needs to be addressed for this to be a proper retcon. Otherwise we have one of the top ten most signature story arcs in Marvel history, versus two semi-contradictory (to each other) events from lesser arcs.
Originally posted by Utrigita
He is based on a Concept actually a combination between Death and Eternity, Infinity and Oblivion, he is the death that comes to all eventually.
That's not a concept, except philosophically, the same way that every thought is a concept.
Originally posted by Utrigita
Not quiet in during that, he forfilles his role to the letter, giving death more power (killing) and giving Eternity more power (Making more space)
You can't make more space. All the space that ever was was created at the moment of creation of any self contained continuity, whether real or fictional. As the real or fictional universes expand, space-time is just stretched out.
Originally posted by Utrigita
I thought that the God Blast was a aspect of the Odin Force hence Odins reasons for in one issue being capable of manipulating it ore something like that.
Godforce is the lifeforce of all gods (presumably throughout the MU but in the Thor annual where Atum was introduced it was explained in Earth specific terms).
The Godforce blast is when Thor (or presumably any other deity capable of wielding Mjollnir) channels his godforce through Mjollnir. Presumably this amps it or focuses it.
Originally posted by Utrigita
The First but that is what we on this forum tend to call a cheap shoot. And you are forgetting the exact effect the God Blast had on Galactus it didn't directly hurt him, instead it was drawing out his Biosphere energy, his very foundation for Survival, Impressive but directly damage him,
I am not talking about the style of combat, honorable or whatever. I am simply referring to the power of the attack. Presumably, at the time Galactus was shielding against Ego's attacks. For the Godforce blast to hurt him that way suggests that shielding against it, if Thor charges it enough, requires much more effort than shielding against Ego's attacks.
Originally posted by Utrigita
I don't see it do that also the way I see the asgardiens. In the early days of Marvel Comics, the gods of Asgard were the most powerful beings in the Universe, but as time, writers, and storylines progressed, the power of the cosmic beings of the Marvel Universe began to eclipse that of Odin and his children. This is why Thor's attacks early on in Thor #160-#161 hurt Galactus, when today the World Devourer would simply ignore them.
The feats still stand, and Odin's final battle with Seth, occurred in continuity probably about 5 years ago. RLT is more powerful than that.
Originally posted by Utrigita
How did you reach that conclusion since it said that he gained fraction of her power, (borrow Stole etc) that doesn't mean that he can draw apon it at will.
This is one of the possible conclusions, its not the one I agree with.
Originally posted by Utrigita
Likely even though I don't quiet see how that helps RLT...
I think this is the most likely answer given how powerful we have seen Odin act at times. But there is not enough evidence to fully support this.
Originally posted by Utrigita I think Thor which helped his father to defeat Infinity would have a pretty good idea what he is talking about.
Odin has mindwiped Thor at least 2-3 times to my conscious recollection, so much so, that it eventually drove Thor insane (remember Blood and Thunder).
Originally posted by Utrigita
We doesn't really have to since we know that Galactus defeated every single one of them that was fighting with Diableri.
What is the scale of reference for these events? Yeah, they were awesomely powerful, but where is the indicator that they were so off the scale in terms of power level.
Originally posted by Utrigita
No not really when three Skyfathers fail to even to remotely damage to a Celestial with all there power, (I don't see them holding back), and we then have the Destroyer with all the power still getting owned, it didn't manage to leave a lasting mark on a single Celestial, it was pwned and left like a piece of scrab, and no battlefield would change that.
Odin was not all out for either of those events. We know all out Odin blows galaxies up and damages (to whatever degree one wants to argue) the multiverse. Earth was not even harmed much by the events of Thor 300.
Originally posted by Utrigita
I'm just counting what have happend and have been shown in the comics so far and that tells me that Galactus weak would take the majority against Odin.
As I said, to each his own.
I have read a lot of comic books. Galactus' feats are in many respects less than Odins.
Or let me put it another way.
Swap 50% power Galactus for Odin in Thor 300. Tell Galactus he is not allowed to damage the planet or the galaxy in any way (as Odin did not do that either). Do you seriously think Galactus is beating those Celestials? Galactus get's owned there, as Odin did.
Originally posted by thtadthtshldntb
The instance where Galactus fled needs to be addressed for this to be a proper retcon. Otherwise we have one of the top ten most signature story arcs in Marvel history, versus two semi-contradictory (to each other) events from lesser arcs.
So we are going to just take the first apperance and accept that on what basis??? because we have I think three Incidents that shows that Galactus is the one with the greatest level of Control over the UN and somehow it always ends up back with him, It is as much a part of him as his own heart (that he technically wouldn't have).
That's not a concept, except philosophically, the same way that every thought is a concept.
And neither is the fact that Eternity and Death accept him as a equel duo to his status a sign of him being a abstract neither the fact that he shows differently
You can't make more space. All the space that ever was was created at the moment of creation of any self contained continuity, whether real or fictional. As the real or fictional universes expand, space-time is just stretched out.
Well that was the way it was described, by Destroying the planet there would be more "space" for eternity.
Godforce is the lifeforce of all gods (presumably throughout the MU but in the Thor annual where Atum was introduced it was explained in Earth specific terms).
Okay I have always thought that it was linked to the odinforce.
The Godforce blast is when Thor (or presumably any other deity capable of wielding Mjollnir) channels his godforce through Mjollnir. Presumably this amps it or focuses it.
Perhaps, but he still had to channel Mjollnir to such levels that he couldn't hold it himself.
I am not talking about the style of combat, honorable or whatever. I am simply referring to the power of the attack. Presumably, at the time Galactus was shielding against Ego's attacks. For the Godforce blast to hurt him that way suggests that shielding against it, if Thor charges it enough, requires much more effort than shielding against Ego's attacks.
I never saw anything that in any way could suggest that Galactus used a shield in that battle also what levels of power do you think Galactus was operating under at that point of time hungry, ore very hungry??? I'm leaning towards very Hungry it has been some time since I last saw Galactus use his tech in a battle. And lets not forget that Galactus would have killed Thor in that act if it hadn't been for Ego.
The feats still stand, and Odin's final battle with Seth, occurred in continuity probably about 5 years ago. RLT is more powerful than that.
It does but certainly not in the same way. All I can say is Galactus vs Agamotto a battle that wasn't taken serious by either, and yet they wreaked hawok around alternates dimensions I haven't seen a battle between Odin and a foe that when it isn't serious make that kind of damage 😬
This is one of the possible conclusions, its not the one I agree with.
Each is entitled to his openion.
I think this is the most likely answer given how powerful we have seen Odin act at times. But there is not enough evidence to fully support this.
I Think it has more to do with the Odin Sleep and how long time it has been since he last had it, but it could possibly be that the Odin Sleep is used to recharge the shard from Infinity but I don't know.
Odin has mindwiped Thor at least 2-3 times to my conscious recollection, so much so, that it eventually drove Thor insane (remember Blood and Thunder).
And he would mindwip the knowlegde of near universal destruction coursed by a shard of infinity that Odin gained through unknown means I see no reason for that.
What is the scale of reference for these events? Yeah, they were awesomely powerful, but where is the indicator that they were so off the scale in terms of power level.
I don't quiet understand you question, are you asking for the reason why it's a feat for Galactus to defeat every single one, where the weakest was the forfather of the Watchers???
Odin was not all out for either of those events. We know all out Odin blows galaxies up and damages (to whatever degree one wants to argue) the multiverse. Earth was not even harmed much by the events of Thor 300.
We know that Odin when he is fighting can destroy lots, but how much have Odin actually destroyed under his own power (not battlewise)??? and you think that it was for Fun that the disintegration beam didn't work, that the Odin-Sword was melted with a gesture from Arishem, and that a blow that could have destroyed a Planet didn't even faze the Celestial???
As I said, to each his own.
It's just a debate.
I have read a lot of comic books. Galactus' feats are in many respects less than Odins.
Please mention someone, someone that haven't been retconned.
Or let me put it another way.Swap 50% power Galactus for Odin in Thor 300. Tell Galactus he is not allowed to damage the planet or the galaxy in any way (as Odin did not do that either). Do you seriously think Galactus is beating those Celestials? Galactus get's owned there, as Odin did.
But You can be sure that Galactus would put at least three down how many did the Destroyer put down, thats right zero. And Galactus chances are a lot better then Odins, he can draw there Hyperspace energy out of them, draw from a higher plan of Hyperspace then Sue did against Exitar, There are more ways for Galactus to win against the Celestials then there will ever be for Odin, Time and Place is irrelevant he will get owned.