Originally posted by SamZED
wolverine never beat Carnage all he did was stab him from behind with no effect after Carnage bit his claws off and stopped paying attention to him.
Carnage wins this. Itd take more than adamantium claws to put him down.
Uh, no.. carnage and Wolverine continued their one on one fight throughout the issue and iff you look hard, or download the comic and upgrade the images you can see them standing off the entire issue in the background. 😬
Originally posted by Phoenix2001Since I feel like playing Devil's advocate today:
Carnage by a land slide. When you stack the two profiles against each other, Carnage has the advantage by a significant margin. I don't see Sabretooth winning this anyway except through PIS and some serious nuthugging by the writer.
He has a strength advantage that's nearly useless for the purposed of fighting Sabretooth.
An assumed speed advantage that's non-existant going by feats.
And even if he uses blades, spikes and tendrils to their best, he could very well hit Sabretooth in several vital areas at the same time and to utterly no effect.
On Panel Carnage couldn't outpace, outfight Bone Claw Wolverine in a prolonged fight.
Wolverine has a 100% Stalemate/victorious record against Venom in battle, who has multiple times proven to be the superior to Carnage.
Alternatively, one strike to the head, neck, or heart by Sabretooth could kill Cassidy or slow him down enough to finish off.
These two will fight a standard melee based fight and given Sabretooth's HF, tenacity and fighting skill on top of his mutant powers he more than levels the playing field against Carnage in a fight.
There is no stomp in this thread. 😐
Originally posted by jinzinI know that, but that pannel doesnt really show anything. All we know for sure is - Carnage bit his claws off and Wolverine later attacking Carnage from behind with no ill effect for Carnage. The rest hapened off panel. Nowhere in that book did Wolverine "own" Carnage like that banned guy said. If anything the book showed that itd take more than just claws to put him down. Carnage simply got more options here. A few dozen razor sharp tendrils moving faster than bullets would be a problem even for ST.
Uh, no.. carnage and Wolverine continued their one on one fight throughout the issue and iff you look hard, or download the comic and upgrade the images you can see them standing off the entire issue in the background. 😬
Originally posted by SamZED
I know that, but that pannel doesnt really show anything. All we know for sure is - Carnage bit his claws off and Wolverine later attacking Carnage from behind with no ill effect for Carnage. The rest hapened off panel. Nowhere in that book did Wolverine "own" Carnage like that banned guy said. If anything the book showed that itd take more than just claws to put him down. Carnage simply got more options here. A few dozen razor sharp tendrils moving faster than bullets would be a problem even for ST.
Actually they had multiple panels that showed them fighting. After he bit the claws off. 😬
Wolverine didn't own him, true, but carnage didn't rage stomp either, it was another Logan on symbiote stalemate, like usual.
Also, Logan didn't hit any vital areas... of course the symbiotes can tank most damage.
Originally posted by jinzinI never said that Carnage owned him, my post was a reply to the guy who said that Logan owned Cassidy. That's true there's no clear winner. But I stil believe that Carnage will take clear majority over Sabertooth. Im in no way understimating ST, its just Carnage has more options and normally it takes some kind of heatbased attack to put him down.
Actually they had multiple panels that showed them fighting. After he bit the claws off. 😬Wolverine didn't own him, true, but carnage didn't rage stomp either, it was another Logan on symbiote stalemate, like usual.
Also, Logan didn't hit any vital areas... of course the symbiotes can tank most damage.
Originally posted by jinzin
Actually they had multiple panels that showed them fighting. After he bit the claws off. 😬
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Originally posted by jinzin
Wolverine didn't own him, true, but carnage didn't rage stomp either, it was another Logan on symbiote stalemate, like usual.Also, Logan didn't hit any vital areas... of course the symbiotes can tank most damage.
But somehow he's gonna shitstomp Creed! 😱
Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
Does he have a choice? His reach is arms length where as Carnage has the benefit tendrils that can keep Sabes at bay.
Can... maybe... will they? Most likely not.
Carnage uses the benefit of this tendtrils when he's in the process of trying to catch an oponent who's on the run, it's really the only time he ever really effectively used them after his first couple appearances sans some more exoctic use of them during Carnage Unleashed.
Bottem line is that Cassidy is a complete idiot and will be drawn into a melee confrontation by anyone who challenges him in doing so, and that's exactly what's going to happen here.
Tendrils didn't stop Wolverine, they're not going to stop Sabretooth.
Again, even if Cletus does start whackin Sabes with tendrils, against Bone Claw Sabretooth he could hit Victor in the heart, throat, and head and STILL probabyl and potentially fail to put him down or even effect him, against Adamantium Sabes, most of his vitals are well protected and encased in Adamantium.
Truth is, Sabretooth (who has blitzed Spidey and is for a fact faster than Wolverine) is going to close the gap on Cassidy early, and from there it's going to quickly turn into a vicious brawl.
This is the type of fight that given each opponents powers and personality, sets itself up for a classic stalemate.
Carnage stomps, and based on the consistency logic, Flash gets hit by silly things he has no business being hit by on a consistent basis, do we use that logic here? No. This isn't a comic book, and things like popularity don't play a factor here. At leas they shouldn't. Both characters fight up close and Sabes is worse off and his nails don't even have the range as Wolverine's claws. 😬
