Originally posted by jinzin
His nails have enough range to hit vitals.... like... all of them for instance.Consistency matters, this isn't flash and boomerangs, this isn't PIS based on popularity.
Sabretooth has the physical stats to compete... not sure what you think there is to nay-say really.
I don't see how this matters. Sabretooth beating Carnage would be PIS. That's how Carnage was always beaten. How else could he be beat by lesser Superhumans? If Carnage fought with any seriousness at all, he would definitely pwn ST.
Originally posted by Phoenix2001
I don't see how this matters. Sabretooth beating Carnage would be PIS. That's how Carnage was always beaten. How else could he be beat by lesser Superhumans? If Carnage fought with any seriousness at all, he would definitely pwn ST.
Though Carnage does have ranged options as well he's unlikely to use them to their best or even remotely close to it, AND he's unlikely to put Sabes away with them anyway.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Carnage stomps, and based on the consistency logic, Flash gets hit by silly things he has no business being hit by on a consistent basis, do we use that logic here? No. This isn't a comic book, and things like popularity don't play a factor here. At leas they shouldn't. Both characters fight up close and Sabes is worse off and his nails don't even have the range as Wolverine's claws. 😬
HUH?
You cant use the flash since in every fight Flash is in he is using his speed. The only reason people hit him is because they time their attacks. Its not like people goes fist to fist with flash or anything. Its a timed, well placed attack during a blitz where Flash is whippin that a**.
Carnage isn't the brightest light bulb in comics. Hasn't prevented him from using his symbiote powers effectively on-panel. His blustering approach -- while not expertly tactical -- still doesn't detract from his viciousness and powers. Sabretooth isn't going to be easy to put down, but between the clawing, slashing and chomping and tearing... Sabretooth's got his claws and teeth... and Carnage has every inch of his entire body via symbiote-control.
^ Carnage still has his superior strength. He still has his tendrils whipping about and tearing up all over the place. He still has the durability afforded by his symbiote, which also repairs any damage wrought. He's still just as agile as Sabretooth.
Carnage not using his symbiote to their utmost potential =/= Sabretooth stalemating him.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0sabretooth also has an insane healing factor
Carnage isn't the brightest light bulb in comics. Hasn't prevented him from using his symbiote powers effectively on-panel. His blustering approach -- while not expertly tactical -- still doesn't detract from his viciousness and powers. Sabretooth isn't going to be easy to put down, but between the clawing, slashing and chomping and tearing... Sabretooth's got his claws and teeth... and Carnage has every inch of his entire body via symbiote-control.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Carnage still has his superior strength. He still has his tendrils whipping about and tearing up all over the place. He still has the durability afforded by his symbiote, which also repairs any damage wrought. He's still just as agile as Sabretooth.Carnage not using his symbiote to their utmost potential =/= Sabretooth stalemating him.
His strength is almost completely negatable against Sabretooth's powers. Just like the strength factor has always been against the Logan family. If Sabretooth was trying to engage him in a wrestling match I could see that point being effective.. but.... not in a fight.. It hasn't worked.... well for almost anyone really...
Again with this tendrils thing... How often has Carnage been whacking people with tendrils from "every inch of his body"? It doesn't happen. He uses them in directional attacks but h's not as effective with them as I see you thinking them in this thread.
His durability will do nothing, nothing at all to stop the claws from doing damage whether we're talking Adamantium OR organic and Sabretooth can sustain more damage to vitals than Cletus can and keep fighting and he's a much better fighter.
If Carnage could/did use his symbiote to the peak of it's potential he'd be more of a match for high high tier heavy hitters... But... meh, CIS.. 🙁
^ I was listing his advantages. I never submitted that Carnage's strength advantage was a game-changer by itself.
He hasn't used every single inch of his body to attack. But he has used whipping tendrils in pretty much every fight. What you think is "effective" =/= what I think is "effective." It's just another advantage, not a game-changer by itself.
This is inconsistent. If you think Sabretooth can dish more damage than Carnage's symbiote is able to compensate for, how exactly do you even think this even a stalemate?
Using his symbiote to the greatest peak of his potential =/= what is needed to beat Sabretooth. The several advantages his symbiote offers give him that.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0carnage cant even beat spiderman...what makes you think he could beat creed?
^ I was listing his advantages. I never submitted that Carnage's strength advantage was a game-changer by itself.He hasn't used every single inch of his body to attack. But he has used whipping tendrils in pretty much every fight. What you think is "effective" =/= what I think is "effective." It's just another advantage, not a game-changer by itself.
This is inconsistent. If you think Sabretooth can dish more damage than Carnage's symbiote is able to compensate for, how exactly do you even think this even a stalemate?
Using his symbiote to the greatest peak of his potential =/= what is needed to beat Sabretooth. The several advantages his symbiote offers give him that.
On dumb... fair enough. BTW finally got ahold of that damn ronin issue.. I'm going to go back to that thread when I have a chance just be patient. Though I admit you were right I DID need to go back over that issue. 😮
Originally posted by OneDumbG0I guess I can see that... But that wasn't quite what I said.
This is inconsistent. If you think Sabretooth can dish more damage than Carnage's symbiote is able to compensate for, how exactly do you even think this even a stalemate?
I do agree with you that he will use enough of his tendril attacks to either keep Sabretooth's healing factor busy or his hands busy, but Sabretooth also has a stronger acting healing factor that will work at optimum levels even longer than Wolverine's. I don't think Carnage is going to put Creed down before he gets tagged in 1 or 2 vital spots that will put him out but I do think he can stay up long enough to ride the fight out to a stalemate. I just don't see his advantages being enough to justify the win here.
Originally posted by Starscream MSandman can't beat Spiderman either. Does that mean Sandman loses to Creed?
carnage cant even beat spiderman...what makes you think he could beat creed?
Flowing from that, try posting scans of every time Carnage "lost" to Spiderman in a straight-up fight and you might start seeing why your ABC logic falls flat.
i am not saying carnage doesnt beat sabe but it isnt a stomp for carnage as a certain poster claims it to be.. if anyone of us were in control of the sym yeah sure we could end the fight easily but we are not cledus is and his personality will have him making bladed weapons and shooting his sym at sabe possibly tendril whips and if he were to manage to wrap sabe.. i can see sabe tearing and ripping his way lose for a while using his claws..