Sabretooth vs Carnage, who wins?

Originally posted by jinzin
That seemed to be the implication of the argument you were making when you started arguing against Sabretooth's healing factor as that was afterall what you were choosing to nit pick, want to change faces again? Typical onedumb tbh.

In turn you're speculating that Wolverine's healing factor now would need a magic crystal to do something he's done better than without it...

Wolverine has never had a healing factor feat better than regrowing an entire body from a single drop of blood. No matter how much you try to project that feat onto Wolverine rather than the alien crystal that turned him into WolvEternity.

Originally posted by jinzin
You've also seen on panel people failing to penetrate Wolverine's brain and.... well actually it really doesn't matter what you've seen, you already have your convictions and beliefs and you can't be swayed in this argument so there's no point.

I "haven't gotten over this" because it's a baseline contradiction with you, you cherry pick what's to be used on panel and what isn't.. that simple.

You know what you have? Denial.

Originally posted by jinzin
Me and about half a dozen other people all read that the same... as Carnage being between the tracks, you're the only one who thinks Carnage got literally run over...

And this again?
Carnage's durability WILL NOT MATTER compared to Sabretooth's claws which will go straight through the suit regardless of what blunt trauma he can tank.
His HF is not and has never proven to be able to keep up with the damage output Sabretooth's capible of dishing.... But sure let's ignore that and pretend otherwise because other symbiotes have ambiguous feats.

Right, the same way Carnage's sharpened tendrils will go right through Sabretooth's brain regardless of what blunt trauma he can tank.

Except when his HF in combination with his malleable durability proved to be capable of letting him survive from being mangled by a subway train that ran over him. Venom has taken on Wolverine straight-up. I don't know why you would possibly try to deflect from Carnage's feats in this manner.

annnnnd (aside from flat out pretending like counter evidence to your brain penetration theories don't exist....) there you go with strawmen and word twisting acting like you're stupid and you can't understand a generalization as opposed to taking something as literally as possible which you've done this entire thread as if it helps your case.... and you want to talk about denial? the whole reason why that was brought up was because you think Sabes can't heal something like being ripped in half, but you think Carnage CAN survive multitudes of mortal damage in stride in a fight.... both viewpoint unsupported by comics, but hey we already know you've got a great cherry picker.

And again the whole Sabes deal... given that he has a stated stronger healing factor than bone claw Wolverine... is absurd. Ironic that you default again to "BUT IT WAS IN SPACE!" as if that matters for Carnage who can survive in space... Again and for the last time, if Sabretooth wasn't dependent on oxygen to some degree, if space wasn't an issue to him like it isn't to carnage he wouldn't have an issue healing being ripped in half... and you'd know that if you weren't busy trying to low ball like a crazy person... but like I already said, you're set in your ways and you're the decider when it comes to what evidence can and can't be used and how it can be presented...

Carnage gets stuck in between the tracks as a train goes over his body and we don't see it... he must have been mangled! 😱

Sabretooth gets stated to be shredded to bits... No can't have happened.

typical double standards... like I said, arguing this with you... well arguing anything with you is a mass waste of time.

Love is in the air?

^ No. This is just tthe part where jinzin works himself up so much that he begins characterizing the entire conversation as being a personal vendetta knowing that I'll waste time rebutting his personal diatribes which ultimately serve to deflect from the fact that he thinks Sabretooth grew an entire new body from a tiny piece of flesh off-panel, because Wolverine implied he diced him to pieces -- and this all happened off-panel miraculously... but he won't countenance that Carnage survived getting run over by a subway train -- which happened on-panel.

Oh wait. That's right, you admitted in the past he got hit by the subway train in a different argument, but just not now. Calling out your double-standards aint personal, jionzin. You've no right to be angry at anybody but yourself for projecting your inane theories onto characters. Or extrapolating incoherently an alien crystal restoring Wolverine onto Sabretooth to somehow remediate your inanity.

The fact that you canyt let go of Wolverine getting his brain penetrated MULTIPLE times or let go of Sabretooth growing a new body from an itty-bitty piece of flesh is too precious. Its too much win to give up. Clearly.

But hey, why not rise above it all and revert back to the dry inquiry over Sabretooth healing from an itty bitty piece of flesh and illustrate your theory so as to rebut my presumptuous disbelief?

Run us through the process again. We last left off where one particular piece of flesh lying around is chosen to sprout a brand new body. So which piece was it again? The left nut or the right nut? Or was the reference to genitalia an off-hand joke? Ok. Ha. Ha. Seriously, which piece of flesh sprouts a new body? After that, you can explain (dryly) how the regrowth process works... Does his piece of flesh grow outwards, or does it just completely metamorphosize into a globvular fleshbag and form a fetus-type template which accelerates its growth into full adult-hood?

Which is the scenario you envisioned? Am I doing it right so far? ermmhappy

I always enjoy your conversations 😆

Originally posted by jinzin
annnnnd (aside from flat out pretending like counter evidence to your brain penetration theories don't exist....) there you go with strawmen and word twisting acting like you're stupid and you can't understand a generalization as opposed to taking something as literally as possible which you've done this entire thread as if it helps your case.... and you want to talk about denial? the whole reason why that was brought up was because you think Sabes can't heal something like being ripped in half, but you think Carnage CAN survive multitudes of mortal damage in stride in a fight.... both viewpoint unsupported by comics, but hey we already know you've got a great cherry picker.

And again the whole Sabes deal... given that he has a stated stronger healing factor than bone claw Wolverine... is absurd. Ironic that you default again to "BUT IT WAS IN SPACE!" as if that matters for Carnage who can survive in space... Again and for the last time, if Sabretooth wasn't dependent on oxygen to some degree, if space wasn't an issue to him like it isn't to carnage he wouldn't have an issue healing being ripped in half... and you'd know that if you weren't busy trying to low ball like a crazy person... but like I already said, you're set in your ways and you're the decider when it comes to what evidence can and can't be used and how it can be presented...

Carnage gets stuck in between the tracks as a train goes over his body and we don't see it... he must have been mangled! 😱

Sabretooth gets stated to be shredded to bits... No can't have happened.

typical double standards... like I said, arguing this with you... well arguing anything with you is a mass waste of time.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Like I said before he picked a good name. Even if its not for the reasons he thinks it is.

You are all idiots! Get off OneDumb's back, anyone one can see that Wolverine is missing his sphenoid bone, his temporal bones, his spinal cord, and his metacarpal bones!!! You hopeless fanboys, thinking Wolverine has the bones we've seen on panel... what a joke. Use your brains!

Originally posted by Parmaniac
I always enjoy your conversations 😆

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
You are all idiots! Get off OneDumb's back, anyone one can see that Wolverine is missing his sphenoid bone, his temporal bones, his spinal cord, and his metacarpal bones!!! You hopeless fanboys, thinking Wolverine has the bones we've seen on panel... what a joke. Use your brains!

Originally posted by King Castle
you forgot the sternum...

😮

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
You are all idiots! Get off OneDumb's back, anyone one can see that Wolverine is missing his sphenoid bone, his temporal bones, his spinal cord, and his metacarpal bones!!! You hopeless fanboys, thinking Wolverine has the bones we've seen on panel... what a joke. Use your brains!

Still upset that Gamora rapes wolverine with ease on KMC eh? Well, that is just the way the cookie crumbles buddy. Go sleep with your wolverine blow up doll and relieve some butt hurt please.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
You are all idiots! Get off OneDumb's back, anyone one can see that Wolverine is missing his sphenoid bone, his temporal bones, his spinal cord, and his metacarpal bones!!! You hopeless fanboys, thinking Wolverine has the bones we've seen on panel... what a joke. Use your brains!

Nice. kinda

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I am contending with jinzin's inanity that Sabretooth sprouts a new body from a tiny piece of flesh lying on the ground off-panel kinda

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Still upset that Gamora rapes wolverine with ease on KMC eh? Well, that is just the way the cookie crumbles buddy. Go sleep with your wolverine blow up doll and relieve some butt hurt please.

Only in the mind of a guy with Thanos in is screen name, and someone so bitter he couldn't find a single way for Midnighter to beat Wolverine he had to create the Phantom Bone Theory.

So many posts in such a short time. And yet another typed as I typed.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Nice use of a humorous (yet hapless) straw-man to deflect from the fact that I am contending with jinzin's inanity that Sabretooth sprouts a new body from a tiny piece of flesh lying on the ground off-panel but Carnage doesn't survive getting run over by a subway train on-panel.

Nice. kinda

Jinzin's argument is that the Carnage feat is open to interpretation and it's possible he didn't get completely ran over and managed to get between the tracks in time. The Sabretooth feat isn't really under the same scrutiny as it happened off panel, you can either take it at face value or choice to ignore it I guess...

I actually agree with you on this one instance, I think that Carnage likely did get run over by the subway... but Jinzin is right in thinking that isn't the only option.

^ It ain't the only option. That's true. I agree with you.

Like it isn't the only option with Sabretooth who perhaps had plenty of chunks of flesh torn off him and was mangled by Wolverine heavily (but not to the point of diced to small chunks of flesh). Such that Wolverine's sh1t-eating grin comment (and I'm paraphrasing), "He's mince-meat -- he's fertilizing the ground here and there, let's leave it at that" wouldn't be completely off-color. But no. Instead, let's take it to its most fantastical literal interpretation possible that Sabretooth was diced up Iron Chef-style -- whilst ignoring the actual consequences of giving that interpretation full credit, i.e., Sabretooth sprouts a new body from his left nut.

Or maybe I just find his reliance on "Sabretooth-healing-from-mince-meat-pieces" off-panel as a valid feat to cite in this argument to be quite dubious (putting it a nice way)...

... especially when he refers to my reliance on "Carnage-getting-run-over-by-a-subway" on-panel as being farcical because we don't "clearly see it."

How coincidental that such a feat (i) amply demonstrates Carnage's malleable durability/limited healing factor, and therefore (ii) aptly counters blanket assertions that Carnage isn't equipped to go toe-to-toe with Sabretooth in a drawn-out vicious battle. How coincidental. Or not.

You talk about deflection yet that's what you're doing once again. This whole argument came about because you wanted to argue that Sabretooth couldn't take the same amount of damage Carnage also couldn't take (still waiting for you to show me proof of Carnage and his UBER DUBER healing factor at work in a fight... sigh). which is wholy untrue. As far as the feat's concerned, it's a take it or leave it situation like Srank said, you want to ignore it? Typical for you really so I'm not surprised, but we HAVE seen Wolverine heal on panel from worse damage than what Carnage took, and that was without the crystal, we HAVE seen him heal from nothing but a skeleton... like 4 times.. we HAVE on panel statements that Creed's HF is faster than Logans.

You read all that opt to ignore it and continue to attack an off panel feat you deem ridiculous for no other reason than.... well YOU THINK it's ridiculous... but then again you think Wolverine's missing entire pieces of his skeletal structure so...

And all this IN SPITE of another on panel instance of Wolverine healing from less than what Sabretooth was stated to... that his blood hit a magic crystal is irrelivent because the only point that matters is noting what Wolverine can potentially heal from, or how far his HF will go to heal him. We know that he CAN under the right circumstances (being suffecient energy) we don't know that Sabretooth doesn't have that amount of energy but we DO KNOW that Wolverine's assessment lend credence that it does....

But sure, lets just continueto attack this one nit picky feat using baseless insistance so we can continue to pretend that Creed and Carnage have the same level of healing factors.... zomg I bet Carnage's even better! I mean his whole body got covered by his symbiote in 2 panels clearly a healing damage to the host feat right there... 🙄