Sabretooth vs Carnage, who wins?

Originally posted by jinzin
You talk about deflection yet that's what you're doing once again. This whole argument came about because you wanted to argue that Sabretooth couldn't take the same amount of damage Carnage also couldn't take (still waiting for you to show me proof of Carnage and his UBER DUBER healing factor at work in a fight... sigh). which is wholy untrue.

Originally posted by jinzin
As far as the feat's concerned, it's a take it or leave it situation like Srank said, you want to ignore it? Typical for you really so I'm not surprised, but we HAVE seen Wolverine heal on panel from worse damage than what Carnage took, and that was without the crystal, we HAVE seen him heal from nothing but a skeleton... like 4 times.. we HAVE on panel statements that Creed's HF is faster than Logans.

... any further than you already have.

Originally posted by jinzin
You read all that opt to ignore it and continue to attack an off panel feat you deem ridiculous for no other reason than.... well YOU THINK it's ridiculous... but then again you think Wolverine's missing entire pieces of his skeletal structure so...

And all this IN SPITE of another on panel instance of Wolverine healing from less than what Sabretooth was stated to... that his blood hit a magic crystal is irrelivent because the only point that matters is noting what Wolverine can potentially heal from, or how far his HF will go to heal him. We know that he CAN under the right circumstances (being suffecient energy) we don't know that Sabretooth doesn't have that amount of energy but we DO KNOW that Wolverine's assessment lend credence that it does....

But sure, lets just continueto attack this one nit picky feat using baseless insistance so we can continue to pretend that Creed and Carnage have the same level of healing factors.... zomg I bet Carnage's even better! I mean his whole body got covered by his symbiote in 2 panels clearly a healing damage to the host feat right there...

Lastly, Wolverine's blood hitting a wish-fulfillment crystal that turned him into WolvEternity, lends absolutely no credence to Sabretooth sprouting a brand new body from a tiny chunk of mince-meat lying on the ground. None. It demonstrates (i) that the healing factor is genetic, not the process of any organ, and (ii) that a wish-fulfillment crystal has enough power to regenerate an entire new body for Wolverine. Nothing more, nothing less. Stop acting like your "Sabretooth-sprouts-entire-new-body-from-his-left-nut-off-panel" myth is supported by that plot device feat... which literally involved a plot device.

Same sh1t-stained straw-man. You can do better than this.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I said Sabretooth couldn't take the same amount of damage Carnage can take? I think my argument is that Sabretooth is less durable, but has a better healing factor. And that Carnage's superior malleable durability and lesser healing factor serves to balance out Sabretooth and equips Carnage with the ability to sustain a tooth-and-nails fight to the finish. That was one sh1t-stained straw-man right there. Growing an entire body from a tiny piece of mince-meat is not a lesser healing factor feat than regrowing a body's flesh from a skeleton. Don't be obtuse. I don't know if this is simply a result of you being completely cornered on this point and refusing to let go, but regrowing a body's flesh onto a skeletal frame containing marrow is a lesser healing factor feat than sprouting an entire skeletal frame and a body's flesh from a tiny chunk of mince-meat. Don't embarrass yourself...

... any further than you already have. Get over Wolverine having his brain penetrated. It's happened like another three times since we started arguing about it years ago. Get a clue.

Lastly, Wolverine's blood hitting a wish-fulfillment crystal that turned him into WolvEternity, lends absolutely no credence to Sabretooth sprouting a brand new body from a tiny chunk of mince-meat lying on the ground. None. It demonstrates [b](i) that the healing factor is genetic, not the process of any organ, and (ii) that a wish-fulfillment crystal has enough power to regenerate an entire new body for Wolverine. Nothing more, nothing less. Stop acting like your "Sabretooth-sprouts-entire-new-body-from-his-left-nut-off-panel" myth is supported by that plot device feat... which literally involved a plot device.

Same sh1t-stained straw-man. You can do better than this. [/B]

Regrowing a body's flesh from no flesh at all is a more impressive feat. You think the marrow somehow escaped incineration? You have proof of this I suppose? No? Who's embarassing themselves?

You lending credence to this brain penetration nonsense and yet being completely unable to accept what Wolverine said based on what makes sense to you shows what kind of hypocrite we all already know you are.

The annual proved that Wolverine's HF resides in every well in his body as does his will. That his ability CAN regrow an entire body under the right circumnstances.... He's proven as much since then.

There's no reason to think these guys can't regrow from burnt, cut up, etc chunks of flesh... maybe years ago... not so much anymore. It's common fair for weapon x brats like pool, logan, and tooth... Even if they are stupid.

Originally posted by jinzin
No, god if you're gonna keep this up try to stay focused. You argued Sabretooth couldn't take what killed Carnage on the basis of damage alone... You're wrong.

Regrowing a body's flesh from no flesh at all is a more impressive feat. You think the marrow somehow escaped incineration? You have proof of this I suppose? No? Who's embarassing themselves?

Yes... I think the marrow escaped incineration because it's bonded/contained in this indestructible metal, which is widely referred to as, adamantium. Ya might've heard of it at some point. Look, stop being stubborn about this: Regrowing your body's flesh from a skeleton frame is less impressive than regrowing your body's flesh (except for one tiny piece) AND an entire skeletal frame on top of all that. This... this isn't supposed to be hard, much less debatable. I am baffled. Are... are you just throwing stupid at me to confuse me or something?

Originally posted by jinzin
You lending credence to this brain penetration nonsense and yet being completely unable to accept what Wolverine said based on what makes sense to you shows what kind of hypocrite we all already know you are.

The annual proved that Wolverine's HF resides in every well in his body as does his will. That his ability CAN regrow an entire body under the right circumnstances.... He's proven as much since then.

There's no reason to think these guys can't regrow from burnt, cut up, etc chunks of flesh... maybe years ago... not so much anymore. It's common fair for weapon x brats like pool, logan, and tooth... Even if they are stupid.

Yes... when a wish-fulfillment alien crystal -- that was powerful enough to also turn Wolverine into WolvEternity and connected him to the universe -- empowers that drop of blood to do so. You can clone stuff from drops of blood with enough resources, effort (and in this instance, pure power). I am aware of that. Still lends absolutely no credence to Sabretooth's amazing "sprout-new-body-from-left-testicle" ability myth.

I can see Deadpool doing it. And Deadpool still has nothing to do with whether Sabretooth did it off-panel based on Wolverine's flippant comment. And none of this changes the fact that you're perfectly willing to concoct Sabretooth's amazing "sprout-new-body-from-left-testicle" myth (still off-panel)... and can't get over the fact that Carnage survived getting mangled by a subway train running over him (still on-panel).

Originally posted by jinzin
Regrowing a body's flesh from no flesh at all is a more impressive feat. You think the marrow somehow escaped incineration? You have proof of this I suppose? No? Who's embarassing themselves?

Hmph. On your incredulity here... let's look back at this post exchange between us way back in 2006: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=432107&pagenumber=7

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Also, Wolverine is not immortal. There is nothing in the story that indicates that he is like Mr. Immortal. His regeneration is very simple in theory when "everything" is burned away. His adamantium protects not only his actual bones but his bone marrow. All his bone marrow still remains, which is a significant basis to start regeneration from, especially considering that bone marrow is completely responsible for blood regeneration. The adamantium also probably protects a portion of what's inside his skull. While most of what was in his noggin is burned away, enough probably remains as decent buffer for regeneration of his brain.

But the bone marrow explanation begs another question. If his bones are laced, how can bone marrow generate cells outside his bones? Well... the bone is porous, so I'm guessing that when the adamantium bonds, it preserves the porous nature. While it sounds improbable initially, titanium rods are known to bond quite well with bone mass on the cellular level in implants. So some kind of reverse analogy probably applies here. Anyway, Wolverine's continued healing powers are still a result of a scientific mutation IMHO and not some 'immortality imperative.' The question of his confrontations during 'death' are just a derivative of the usual close encounters with Death that many characters have. More likely, it is his inner demons playing themselves out during traumatic episodes. Thanos has them aplenty and so do other characters. There is no reason to believe that Wolverine is de facto immortal from Wolverine #48.

Originally posted by jinzin
no arguments but I thought you may like to know. this is explained in the weapon x novel...
nanotech was used during the bonding process to ensure the bones still had porosity.

Hmphx2. Oh, and even better, how about this post exchange between Starscream M and you in 2008: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=481826&pagenumber=32

Originally posted by Starscream M
what does it run on then?

cuz if he heals from a bare skeleton, then the little runt's HF pretty much does run "on thin air".

Originally posted by jinzin
holes in his adamantium bones for the marrow to produce blood cells. And guggenheim alluded that Wolverine's eye and brain where fine inside the adamantium skull.

You win at life.

😂

Originally posted by jinzin

There's no reason to think these guys can't regrow from burnt, cut up, etc chunks of flesh... maybe years ago... not so much anymore. It's common fair for weapon x brats like pool, logan, and tooth... Even if they are stupid.

There's no reason in your post.

Where the fit is the shucking straw-man post that pretends to remedy this inconsistency/hypocrisy?

Or do we really have ourselves... :gasp: another quanchiwaffle?

Really? Didn't expect that any poster would so quickly stumble into such a predicament. ❌

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
No. I didn't. Thus, I could never be wrong about it.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Yes... I think the marrow escaped incineration because it's bonded/contained in this indestructible metal, which is widely referred to as, adamantium. Ya might've heard of it at some point.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Look, stop being stubborn about this: Regrowing your body's flesh from a skeleton frame is less impressive than regrowing your body's flesh (except for one tiny piece) AND an entire skeletal frame on top of all that. This... this isn't supposed to be hard, much less debatable. I am baffled. Are... are you just throwing stupid at me to confuse me or something?

Like you said shouldn't be hard. Being able to regrow from SOME flesh<Being able to regrow from no flesh which has happened at least 3 times on panel, with 2 more times implied,

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Wolverine, with his sh1t-eatig grin said he made mince-meat out of Sabretooth. Try and fathom the possibility that phrases like "making mince-meat outta someone" and "tore him to pieces" is a colloquial phrase for beating the utter crap out of someone. You don't have to take it to its absolute most literal sense... unless you want to conjure up Sabretooth's amazing (still mythical) "sprout-new-body-from-left-testicle" abilities.

You think Wovlerine was lying.. because, sure, he's a liar... especially about Sabretooth... 🙄

I don't have to take it at it's most literal sense, but I can, and there's not a damned reason not to at this point. What's to suggest otherwise?

A limit on Wolverine's/Sabretooth's healing factors? We haven't seen one yet when it comes to these two.
An inconsistency in their ability to heal from virtually nothing? As mentioned before, Wolverine's already done that multiple times, a recent story even suggested that even though he was already dead, stripped down to the Adamantium bone and dunked in a specialized tank... he could still heal from that... 😬

So again... why not? Cause you don't like it? Yeah, not surprised.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Yes... when a wish-fulfillment alien crystal -- that was powerful enough to also turn Wolverine into WolvEternity and connected him to the universe -- empowers that drop of blood to do so. You can clone stuff from drops of blood with enough resources, effort (and in this instance, pure power). I am aware of that. Still lends absolutely no credence to Sabretooth's amazing "sprout-new-body-from-left-testicle" ability myth.

I can see Deadpool doing it. And Deadpool still has nothing to do with whether Sabretooth did it off-panel based on Wolverine's flippant comment. And none of this changes the fact that you're perfectly willing to concoct Sabretooth's amazing "sprout-new-body-from-left-testicle" myth (still [b]off-panel)... and can't get over the fact that Carnage survived getting mangled by a subway train running over him (still on-panel). [/B]

And again, the hypocrisy... You're the one using Carnage's off panel feat to support your stance, while trying to ignore Sabretooth's....

And all this to avoid the bottem line, Carnage does not and has never had a healing ability displayed on panel that proves or even suggests that he can sustain the damage that Sabretooth will dish out in a close quarters fight, in any close quarters fight, and keep fighting. Sabretooth does. Of course I know you'll run to this idea of "maleable durability" whatever the f*** you think that means. But it isn't going to resist Sabretooth's claws... AT ALL... and that's it.

Sabretooth can hack it, Carnage can't... and he supported that idea when he got killed being ripped in half.... Something that people like Wolverine take in spades... Shit, Punisher blew Wolverine from chest to shins and he was still conscious...

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
😐

Hmph. On your incredulity here... let's look back at this post exchange between us way back in 2006: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=432107&pagenumber=7
barker

Hmphx2. Oh, and even better, how about this post exchange between Starscream M and you in 2008: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=481826&pagenumber=32 kinda

You win at life.

As do you, assaulting arguments I made 2.. even 4 years ago... when there's a much more complete picture presented now.... Why? Cause you can't handle the argument being laid out NOW?... You go diggin around for posts from 2006 and you're telling me this isn't personal for you? What a joke.... Again, multiple times now it's been shown that Wolverine's Adamantium skeleton can be heated pretty easily.

Please explain to me how anything survived what he was put through since that's the stance you're taking here...

How did the marrow inside his bones NOT get brunt to a crisp when he was at ground zero of a miniature nuke? I'll gladly await your reasonable explanation for this.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Where the fit is the shucking straw-man post that pretends to remedy this inconsistency/hypocrisy?

Or do we really have ourselves... :gasp: another quanchiwaffle?

Really? Didn't expect that any poster would so quickly stumble into such a predicament. ❌

Yes because, comic book facts never change as time goes on, there's never new information to be assessed or facts to be adressed and compounded on previous information... which is why every argument we've ever made on the forums at any time is a legitimate post the be used now... 🙄

Didn't expect any poster would be so stuped that they'd actually believe that things never change.

Especially one that argued 4 years ago that his bones we porous but argued 2 days ago that his marrow's "contained" inside indestructable metal and thus protected from the harm of ignited oxygen... 😐

Originally posted by jinzin
Uh yeah you did... but whatever you say crazypants.

Originally posted by jinzin
Wow, pretty vindictive attitude coming from someone talking out their ass.
Yes, his bone is bonded to an adamantium structure... Already making the insistance that marrow is helping him called into question.
And THEN you insist the marrow is contained inside the metal... but somehow want to argue that it helped him heal outside of it's containment? Yikes... Maybe excercise some logic there and tell me what you think is wrong with that sentiment.
Aside from that.... Adamantium gets hot.... This has been documented multitudes of times, and if he was at ground zero at a nuke or burned to the point that nothing but his skeleton was left.. the likely scenario is that the metal heated so that whatever was attached to it got turned to crisp. Not that hard to figure out, yknow... when you're not being a vindictive asshat.

Originally posted by jinzin
Why not? You've been doing that this whole thread.

Like you said shouldn't be hard. Being able to regrow from SOME flesh<Being able to regrow from no flesh which has happened at least 3 times on panel, with 2 more times implied,

Originally posted by jinzin
As Srank said, you can take it at face value... or not. We know that Wolverine beat Sabretooth, we know that he insists that Sabretooth's spread all over the ground (apparently unrecognizable to the other x-brats) and we know that he has at least several teeth in his hand to back his story.

You think Wovlerine was lying.. because, sure, he's a liar... especially about Sabretooth...

I don't have to take it at it's most literal sense, but I can, and there's not a damned reason not to at this point. What's to suggest otherwise?

A limit on Wolverine's/Sabretooth's healing factors? We haven't seen one yet when it comes to these two.
An inconsistency in their ability to heal from virtually nothing? As mentioned before, Wolverine's already done that multiple times, a recent story even suggested that even though he was already dead, stripped down to the Adamantium bone and dunked in a specialized tank... he could still heal from that...

So again... why not? Cause you don't like it? Yeah, not surprised.

No. I think Wolverine's telling the truth and not being ass-monkey literal with his statement. Wolverine was describing how he mangled Sabretooth up. Not how he sliced and diced him into itty-bitty bite-sized chunks.

The reason not to take it literally is because it's ass-monkey stupid to take it literally.

Oh yeah. Especially no limit when you reference Wolverine healing from a single drop of blood... as long as you ignore the alien wish-fulfillment crystal that made Wolverine WolvEternity. Small detail that doesn't matter. I'm sure.

Why are we supposed to accept Sabretooth sprouted a new body from his left nut because you like that idea? Pfft x3.

Originally posted by jinzin
The crystal proved that his HF is in every cell of his body. He never said what kind of energy would be needed to do what he did... apparently the upgrades he got since then are a bit of an equalizer as proven.
You can insist otherwise, but he's healed from an adamantium skeleton..... there's no flesh there...
And...
Uh no... we have a direct statement as to what happened with Sabretooth, you can take it or leave it.

With Carnage you literally see him fall between the tracks and he looks to still be there when he gets run over. Don't project this whack ass presumption that this interpretation is one that only I came up with when multiple people thought the same damned thing.

It's the "whack ass presumption" that you came up with when you first commented on the scene yourself: "venom vs. carnage and the birth of toxin... venom kicks carnages' ass and forces him to get run over by a damn subway train..." Did you forget? Oh. It's here in this thread: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=5045111&highlight=subway+userid%3A46364#post5045111 Pfft x4.

Originally posted by jinzin
And again, the hypocrisy... You're the one using Carnage's off panel feat to support your stance, while trying to ignore Sabretooth's....

And all this to avoid the bottem line, Carnage does not and has never had a healing ability displayed on panel that proves or even suggests that he can sustain the damage that Sabretooth will dish out in a close quarters fight, in any close quarters fight, and keep fighting. Sabretooth does. Of course I know you'll run to this idea of "maleable durability" whatever the f*** you think that means. But it isn't going to resist Sabretooth's claws... AT ALL... and that's it.

Sabretooth can hack it, Carnage can't... and he supported that idea when he got killed being ripped in half.... Something that people like Wolverine take in spades... Shit, Punisher blew Wolverine from chest to shins and he was still conscious...

Carnage has malleable durability and a limited healing factor that permits him to engage Sabretooth in a claw/tooth roaring fight to the finish. Of course... you thinking that Carnage cannot sustain Sabretooth's capacity to deal damage is curiously disconnected from your original assessment here on page 2 of this thread: "Also, Logan didn't hit any vital areas... of course the symbiotes can tank most damage." Pfft x5.

Right. Carnage can't hack it at all. Which is why you said this on page 3: "I don't think Carnage is going to put Creed down before he gets tagged in 1 or 2 vital spots that will put him out but I do think he can stay up long enough to ride the fight out to a stalemate."

Carnage can't hack it at all and ends up in a stalemate? Do you even try to connect your desperate rhetoric back to your initially stated conclusions? Or do you get that worked up that you forget them completely?

kinda

Originally posted by jinzin
As do you, assaulting arguments I made 2.. even 4 years ago... when there's a much more complete picture presented now.... Why? Cause you can't handle the argument being laid out NOW?... You go diggin around for posts from 2006 and you're telling me this isn't personal for you? What a joke.... Again, multiple times now it's been shown that Wolverine's Adamantium skeleton can be heated pretty easily.

Please explain to me how anything survived what he was put through since that's the stance you're taking here...

How did the marrow inside his bones NOT get brunt to a crisp when he was at ground zero of a miniature nuke? I'll gladly await your reasonable explanation for this.

kinda kinda

Originally posted by jinzin
Yes because, comic book facts never change as time goes on, there's never new information to be assessed or facts to be adressed and compounded on previous information... which is why every argument we've ever made on the forums at any time is a legitimate post the be used now...

Didn't expect any poster would be so stuped that they'd actually believe that things never change.

Especially one that argued 4 years ago that his bones we porous but argued 2 days ago that his marrow's "contained" inside indestructable metal and thus protected from the harm of ignited oxygen...

kinda kinda kinda

P.S. Seriously. How did you end up being quanchi-lite in this thread? At least he had the dignity to own up to his own waffling.

Carnage

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Quote me where I said Sabretooth would die from being ripped in half alone... having nothing to do with space. You can't? Good job.

I mean if you're not arguing against the idea that he can heal from that, then why have you drawn this out the point that you had to bring it back up months later?

You that bored? Is C-master right about your feelings for me?

You're obviously not blind so you shouldn't have any problems seeing that my reply to Carnage being ripped in half was in contention that IF SPACE DIDN'T EFFECT SABRETOOTH, like it DOESN'T EFFECT CARNAGE, then he certainly could have healed from being ripped in half.... which was the whole point to the example....

That the Carnage symbiote can't heal damage at a rate that will keep up with the damage output Sabretooth is capable of, but Sabretooth can take whatever Carnage can and then some.
Of course you ran behind "ERRR SPAAAACE" because it's the only thing that even remotely looks like a good counter argument to the fact that Carnage's HF wasn't too hot to trot in that particular instance so it's little surprise that you continue to do so trying to attack my "mince meat" example while trying to set it up as the pillar of my argument (though it was one example out of MANY).... because based on the sheer absurdity of the feat alone... it IS the only thing you have a prayer of actually not looking like a complete hack while attacking.... good for you.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
You straw-manned. Not the first time you've been that desperate.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
So when you preached that same theory to other posters completely outside any conversations with me, that makes you a vindicative asshat as well? Read the above post for a refresher. And you're accusing me of making this personal? Pfft.

And yeah it's clearly personal for you, but you can continue to deny it. Hey, it's what works for you after all.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Regrowing an entire skeletal frame AND all but one tiny bit of flesh... is a greater healing feat than only regrowing all flesh with the skeletal frame already being there. You're hopeless. I can't believe you've been cornered like this and you won't concede this simple notion. This is quanchi-lite. Pfft x2.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
And that equates to him Iron-Chef-dicing Sabretooth? lulz

No, what does is him saying that's what happened, and X-brat being unable to recognize what was apparently left of him.

Perhaps you could tell me what equates to that not being what happened? Or since you can't prove a negative, perhaps you could PROVE something else DID happen? Oh that's right, you can't.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
No. I think Wolverine's telling the truth and not being ass-monkey literal with his statement. Wolverine was describing how he mangled Sabretooth up. Not how he sliced and diced him into itty-bitty bite-sized chunks.

And in the spirit of your absolutism in concerns to literal definitions...

Mangle: To mutilate or disfigure by battering, hacking, cutting, or tearing

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
The reason not to take it literally is because it's ass-monkey stupid to take it literally.

Of course, I'm sure Wolverine was lying... or just didn't know WHAT he was talking about and clearly didn't mean what he said... I mean... you insist so after all. 🙄

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Oh yeah. Especially no limit when you reference Wolverine healing from a single drop of blood... as long as you ignore the alien wish-fulfillment crystal that made Wolverine WolvEternity. Small detail that doesn't matter. I'm sure.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Why are we supposed to accept Sabretooth sprouted a new body from his left nut because you like that idea? Pfft x3.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Oh yeah. A wish-fulfillment alien crystal that can make Wolverine into Eternity only provided the exact equal energy that is compensated by the relative superiority of Sabretooth healing factor. Right. And you don't have a direct statement as to what Sabretooth did. Had Wolverine said, "Sabretooth is regrowing a fresh body from his left nut" then you'd have a point. He didn't even allude to that. So you don't have a point.

Sure I do... the point?
That "Sabretooth apparently healed from being cut to mince-meat by Wolverine" which compounded and supported by multiple other examples and evidence isn't so far fetched... and such a healing factor is >>>> Anything Carnage has ever displayed.... Yeah.. the real point...

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
It's the "whack ass presumption" that you came up with when you first commented on the scene yourself: "venom vs. carnage and the birth of toxin... venom kicks carnages' ass and forces him to get run over by a damn subway train..." Did you forget? Oh. It's here in this thread: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=5045111&highlight=subway+userid%3A46364#post5045111 Pfft x4. It's on-panel. Stop flinging stupid at me in the hopes that it'll stick. I already posted the scans.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Carnage has malleable durability

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
and a limited healing factor that permits him to engage Sabretooth in a claw/tooth roaring fight to the finish. Of course... you thinking that Carnage cannot sustain Sabretooth's capacity to deal damage is curiously disconnected from your original assessment here on page 2 of this thread: "Also, Logan didn't hit any vital areas... of course the symbiotes can tank most damage." Pfft x5.

and...

Again.. You're dense.... you're more dense than an adamantiumized face-palm if you can't understand/comprehend the meaning of that post....

Symbiotes tanking "most damage" =/= Symbiotes tanking vital shots for their hosts.... This much has been clear..

Look, I understand you really want to work hard to make me look inconsistent here, but you're just making yourself look impaired at the moment. It used to be amusing.. now it's just sad.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Right. Carnage can't hack it at all. Which is why you said this on page 3: "I don't think Carnage is going to put Creed down before he gets tagged in 1 or 2 vital spots that will put him out but I do think he can stay up long enough to ride the fight out to a stalemate."

Carnage can't hack it is quite clearly talking about his damage soak to Creeds where healing factors are concerned and not the overall fight where MULTITUDES more factors are added into the equation....

DENSE. Dense, dense, dense, dense, dense....
Where is the contradiction you're looking for here exactly? Because there I stated that a couple vital shots put Carnage down... and here... I'm stating that Carnage can't hack vital shots.....

It's unbelievable how ridiculously stupid you've become in your attempts to discredit my arguments here... Your crusade against me has inhibited your reason, and rationality to a point that's staggering to think about.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Carnage can't hack it at all and ends up in a stalemate? Do you even try to connect your desperate rhetoric back to your initially stated conclusions? Or do you get that worked up that you forget them completely?

kinda

He can't hack the damage.... he won't win a close quarters fight... these have both been arguments of mine since this thread started.... Just as I have also regarded the range, and agility as things that would help Carnage to fight Sabretooth... Again the fail here is your ability to understand the context of any given argument and/or conversation being held on these forums...

"b-b-but you said the twain wan Canarage overrr!"

MOST people could figure this stuff out on their own, but you're a special kid, with special needs and sure you're an ass-hat... but you're OUR ass-hat.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
How? Via the same explanation you gave yourself when you not only accepted this theory when I posited it years ago... but when you also decided to repeat it to disbelieving posters in a wholly separate argument years later.. [/B]

I'll ask you again... How?
Stop side-stepping the question and just answer it. I mean obviously you think there's a defense to be made here... So make it.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
kinda kinda What "new information" post-2006 and then post-2008 led you to believe that the marrow was indeed incinerated?
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Again, perhaps you have a better explaination as to "what really happened" though...

P.S. Seriously. How did you end up being quanchi-lite in this thread? At least he had the dignity to own up to his own waffling. [/B][/QUOTE]
I'm not sure you understand what dignity even is.... 😬

Originally posted by Creshosk
Like I said before he picked a good name. Even if its not for the reasons he thinks it is.

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(Hey bud, good to see you)

Yyyyyeah. I thought about it a little more and I realized I made a HUGE mistake....

I shouldn't be calling you dense ODG... that's wrong of me... because to call you dense actually implies that there's something inside that noggin of yours... which aside from your affinity to be a grammar/English Nazi, I'm not so sure about after everything that's gone down in this thread...

The fact of the matter is... this isn't a debate anymore. No, you've turned this into a ridiculous little game centered around semantic word-play and desperate straw grasping.

Pulling on haphazard one/two sentence statements made 2 and 4 years ago to try and support yourself against the arguments being made NOW? As if new information didn't exist, as if no one on the forum has ever had a change or heart or mind, as if no one could go back and find even one glaring inconsistency in the argumentation of the infallible diety that is ODG... You're arrogance has no place here and it certainly isn't warranted to the extent you use it.

All this and you have STILL not answered one single thing I've asked you to in this thread. This isn't a debate, it's a charade... Something all too familiar to threads when you get involved.

^ Get over the fact you quanchiwaffled. Seriously. Trying to retroactively qualify the fact that you completely reversed your own position when it suits you is so obvious... it's even embarassing for me.

Your reaction is the same exact reaction quanchi112 had when I threw his own past statements back at him. Only difference is, we know he owned up to them eventually. How long you continue to act like you have excuses so you don't need to own up to them is completely up to you. But honestly, just have some f@cking dignity about it.

Originally posted by jinzin
That Wolverine's skeleton apparently conducts heat fast as a motherf***er. That he's able to turn it to a red glow moments after putting a blow torch up to it, that Human torch did as much the same seconds into grabbing Logans wrists (at a heat that didn't incinerate him to the bone), that metal heated to such a degree usually lights things aflame, melts hard substances, etc, that Wolverine's HF has been more and more regarded as more than just a mutation, but supernatural, as with Geia....

Stop expanding on this trainwreck. This is getting painful. facepalm

Further points:

1) You're the one that brought up Sentry killing Carnage as if it meant something. It didn't. Stop trying to repaint the context of our conversation. Your realization that some of your shallow argumentation falls utterly flat on its face doesn't justify your straw-manning.

2) Stop projecting your own propensity for getting personal onto me. Stop acting like you're any different from anybody else that I debate. Furthermore, get over the fact that you quanchiwaffled. You can feel free to continue being butt-hurt over my pointing out that you quanchiwaffled. But you've no reason to feel a personal indignation over it. It's your own quotes thrown back in your face.

3) Seriously. Stop being rucking fetarded about your "Sabretooth-sprouts-entire-new-body-from-his-left-nut-off-panel" myth. It's bad enough that you continue arguing for that myth while trying to deny that Carnage survived getting mangled by a subway train on-panel.

It's even worse when you end up trying to justify yourself further through the adoption of absurdity. Sabretooth healing from a single piece of mince-meat lying around is NOT a worse feat than Wolverine healing flesh over his complete skeleton.

You're about three more spam posts away from descending into pure quanchilogic. Want me to describe it literally? Fine, let me lay out what just happened in the last few pages: You're too proud to concede the fact that your overall position is full of disconnect and you protest my poking holes in it. That pride leads you to ignore the absurdity of certain of your arguments (no matter how plainly evident that absurdity is). But it gets worse than that because when I start poking at that absurdity, you can't countenance admitting you're wrong on even wholly tangential arguments that you'll resort to wholeheartedly adopting that absurd position and insisting that I'm the one being absurd.

Case in point: One comic book character completely heals 231 lbs. of flesh on top of his skeletal frame. Another comic book character heals 230.8 lbs. of flesh (all but 2 ounces) AND 45 lbs. of skeleton compeltely from scratch. Which is the greater healing feat?

The latter is the greater healing feat. Yet you insist the former is and I'm being an asshat for thinking so. You've so completely twisted yourself up over this that I now find it embarassing to have to point this out twice to you. Just get over it.

In the meantime, Carnage wins 7/10 at least and you still win at life. kinda