Sabretooth vs Carnage, who wins?

carnage 6/10

Originally posted by jinzin
It's a "stupid horse" according to you... but it came up because you don't think Sabretooth could take being ripped in half.... And that's ridiculous considering what his healing factor and Wolverine's have shown they can do.

Logan healed from a drop of blood and stated that it would be possible with an added amount of energy... how much energy was never stated. Is a healing factor 10-20x faster than his back at that time enough to reproduce the same feat? Apparently, because even if you want to ignore the statement that implies Sabretooth did it, we've SEEN Wolverine heal from being burned down to an adamantium Skeleton, no flesh, no blood.

Casting speculation on how much energy that plot device wish-fulfillment magic crystal pumped into the endeavor -- the same crystal which ended up turning Wolverine into WolvEternity of all things -- isn't justification for stretching a colloquial throw-away statement describing an off-panel fight to its most fantastical results. How about instead of constantly deflecting from the so-called feat itself, you just walk us through what happened to cure us of our disbelief? What was it again? Sabretooth's left nut sprouts a brand new body? Why not his right nut?

Originally posted by jinzin
Now I really don't care what you feel is "stupid" because you sure as hell don't have a problem with "stupid" when you're arguing your phantom bone theories all over the forum. You want to talk about the implications of what characters are supposing as though that's proof but when I do it, it's somehow now wrong in your opinion. You're never consistent.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0

Originally posted by jinzin

And of course this line of thinking didn't stop you from conjuring that Carnage had his head split in two by a subway car but.....

Somehow... you read that as an illustration of Carnage NOT getting run over by a subway train. Why is it that you doubt it exactly? Is it because you wish to arbitrarily dismiss direct evidence that Carnage's malleable durability and limited healing factor permit him to keep pace with Sabretooth in a fight? Or is it truly because you don't "clearly see" his body getting mangled by the subway train directly?

And yet, I'm supposed to believe your assertion that Sabretooth healed an entire body from a single piece of itty-bitty flesh lying on the ground off-panel... which we didn't see at all... much less "clearly see?" All this at the same time that you're trying to cast speculative doubt on Carnage getting run over by a subway train?

What a wonderfully splendid hypocrisy. Takes talent to do what you just did there.

So onedumb remind me, was your take 7/10 for Carnage?

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
If it is mentioned in his bio and in the comic he should have it.

When did he try and fail to use it?

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Tell me where i said Sabretooth couldn't take being ripped in half. Because I remember me specifically saying he couldn't take being ripped in half in outer space by Sentry any better than Carnage.

Casting speculation on how much energy that plot device wish-fulfillment magic crystal pumped into the endeavor -- the same crystal which ended up turning Wolverine into WolvEternity of all things -- isn't justification for stretching a colloquial throw-away statement describing an off-panel fight to its most fantastical results. How about instead of constantly deflecting from the so-called feat itself, you just walk us through what happened to cure us of our disbelief? What was it again? Sabretooth's left nut sprouts a brand new body? Why not his right nut? I never saw Sabretooth growing a new body from an itty-bitty piece of flesh. I've seen on-panel, and it's been referenced on-panel, Wolverine's brain being penetrated/penetrable by claws and bullets near a dozen times. This is a slight distinction, slick. And I can't believe you still haven't gotten over this... I mean these:

That seemed to be the implication of the argument you were making when you started arguing against Sabretooth's healing factor as that was afterall what you were choosing to nit pick, want to change faces again? Typical onedumb tbh.

In turn you're speculating that Wolverine's healing factor now would need a magic crystal to do something he's done better than without it...

You've also seen on panel people failing to penetrate Wolverine's brain and.... well actually it really doesn't matter what you've seen, you already have your convictions and beliefs and you can't be swayed in this argument so there's no point.

I "haven't gotten over this" because it's a baseline contradiction with you, you cherry pick what's to be used on panel and what isn't.. that simple.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I never said Carnage's head was split in half. Be kinda tough to scream like he did as he was getting run over. But good job disbelieving Carnage was run over a subway train here... although that's what's plainly portrayed here on-panel. You do notice Carnage is on the train tracks... that the train rumbles over his position... that Carnage screams in pain from below the passing train... and that his symbiote is SPLTTTing all over the place:

Somehow... you read that as an illustration of Carnage NOT getting run over by a subway train. Why is it that you doubt it exactly? Is it because you wish to arbitrarily dismiss direct evidence that Carnage's malleable durability and limited healing factor permit him to keep pace with Sabretooth in a fight? Or is it truly because you don't "clearly see" his body getting mangled by the subway train directly?

And yet, I'm supposed to believe your assertion that Sabretooth healed an entire body from a single piece of itty-bitty flesh lying on the ground off-panel... which we didn't see at all... much less "clearly see?" All this at the same time that you're trying to cast speculative doubt on Carnage getting run over by a subway train?

What a wonderfully splendid hypocrisy. Takes talent to do what you just did there.

Me and about half a dozen other people all read that the same... as Carnage being between the tracks, you're the only one who thinks Carnage got literally run over...

And this again?
Carnage's durability WILL NOT MATTER compared to Sabretooth's claws which will go straight through the suit regardless of what blunt trauma he can tank.
His HF is not and has never proven to be able to keep up with the damage output Sabretooth's capible of dishing.... But sure let's ignore that and pretend otherwise because other symbiotes have ambiguous feats. 🙄

Originally posted by jinzin
against Luke cage.. I mean I know it was attributed to Luke's skin but damn man if the only time he tried to use it, it didn't work, how the hell can we say what if any effect it will have in the fight. As it stands no one should be comfortable giving this the nod to Carnage's powerset. 😬

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
My real question would be the power of it. But I don't see why it would be useless.

Originally posted by jinzin
Cause it's never shown to be effective? I'd think Spiderman may have made some mention of it at SOME point in their careers... or Venom, or... well ANYONE who fought with Carnage outside of that one issue. 😬

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Or that he hadn't tried it, could be an advancement. Not surprising seeing the nature of that symbiote.

if that was the case that would be one thing. But again, the only time it's mentioned and he supposedly tried it, it wasn't working. 😬

Against a character who isn't like Sabes. I don't mind saying the effectiveness hasn't been established consistently, but to say that it doesn't exist at all is a bit of a stretch. How are you btw?

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Against a character who isn't like Sabes. I don't mind saying the effectiveness hasn't been established consistently, but to say that it doesn't exist at all is a bit of a stretch. How are you btw?

But I don't think it's been established at all. 😬

lol...

I'm pretty good, got a paid gig to dress up like Wolvie 2 weeks ago for 300 bucks. Got another fight comin up at the end of next month for ring of fire.... I'm stoked.

thanks for askin, house your landscaping company holdin up?

That going to be your main thing? You could dress like Wolverine to your matches.
😛

My company is great, securing as many clientele before the cold season hits, year round customers are a great commodity and I've realized my costs more for the plan and passed my savings on to the consumer.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
That going to be your main thing? You could dress like Wolverine to your matches.
😛

My company is great, securing as many clientele before the cold season hits, year round customers are a great commodity and I've realized my costs more for the plan and passed my savings on to the consumer.

So you get a lot of work during the winter?

You should go for it, it'd be pro wrestling all over again.

I do now, because I put them on year round contracts which charge monthly and recur by autopay, that way I have income year round and I don't have to worry about hoarding or finding a winter job like I used a few years back. I also can begin to work on getting completely off of the field, working *on* my business and have passive residual income meaning I'm being paid without being there. Dividends and royalties are taxed less than earned income.

Unless this is adamantium sabertooth carnage wins.

What difference would the adamantium make to someone like Carnage though?

i dont think it adds much to either in my opinion.. might give sabe a slight raise in durability but carnage doesnt deal the convential damage and attacks as others. the adamantium wouldnt keep carnage from dealing the same lvl of damage.

the only thing i can think of is that adamantium has the reverse effect to sabe's HF unlike logan. sabe's HF increases due to sabe being addicted to the adamantium and makes him more robust.

Oddly enough.