Originally posted by quanchi112Yo mean the same destroying every hero on Earth feat that has been recycled throughout Exiles. From Hyperion to Namora?
He defeated every superbeing from a thousand worlds. I have seen other heralds in the 616 universe come to earth and get sent back with their tail between their legs.The point is whoever opposed him failed to stop him from crushing earth. I guarantee there was a buttload of opposition. The feat is impressive.
Originally posted by NewjakHe defeated the best heroes from a thousand worlds,crushed Gladiator,oneshotted Ronan and Superskrull,defeated Galactus and put him in critical care,destroyed earth. I mean that is quite impressive.
Once again a threat in his own Universe. And once again while yes he only had two appearances sometimes that is all you need to get some good feats.But his only feats consisted of mentioning him destroying Earth, and beating an alternate reality Glads. Bad evidence, or speculation at best.
It doesn't matter how you think he was portrayed, his feats don't match up compared to 616's average showings. And nothing to show that Exiles Surfer was even as versatile with the Power Cosmic as 616.
So you can not prove that he is on 616's power level or ability.
Again we have come to the crossroads here as you cannot prove the power cosmic was any different from 616's and I cant prove they are the same. We just have our opinions.
Originally posted by quanchi112Who are never shown.
He defeated the best heroes from a thousand worlds,
Originally posted by quanchi112Who has no feats.
crushed Gladiator,
Originally posted by quanchi112Who have no feats.
oneshotted Ronan and Superskrull,
Originally posted by quanchi112Who isn't Earth 616 Galactus, and doesn't even perform the same function as 616 Galactus.
defeated Galactus and put him in critical care,destroyed earth.
He also laid waste to Earth, but then Earth apparently didn't even try to fight back with its eyebeams that it showed capable of in eXiles #53, right?
Originally posted by quanchi112You mean a feat that was never seen.
A feat is a feat. Dont try to demean it.
With no indication of who was on the planet?
How powerful those versions were?
How long it took him to do it?
Heck for all you know it took him years to destroy a planet full of Spider-mans.
And it isn't demeaning a feat it is looking at it in context instead of speculation.
There have been multiple people in Exiles who have destroyed their version of Earth and it's heroes. None of them are 616 Silver Surfer in power or close to it.
Originally posted by xmarksthespotOk I didnt read exiles 53 was it the same earth that was in exiles 87 and 88. I know Galactus wasnt the same as his 616 counterpart but he still was powerful.
Who are never shown.Who has no feats. Who have no feats. Who isn't Earth 616 Galactus, and doesn't even perform the same function as 616 Galactus.He also laid waste to Earth, but then Earth apparently didn't even try to fight back with its eyebeams that it showed capable of in eXiles #53, right?
And so the have no feats as they were meant to establish this Surfer as above them. No distinction was made good or bad about the fodder here. Again this Surfer let it all out and was vicious whereas the 616 Surfer is a goody to shoes.
Originally posted by NewjakHere we go again. The feat is impressive and by the looks of how the Surfer was going about his business there was no prep. I am sure he showed up and put down earth's resistance easily.
You mean a feat that was never seen.With no indication of who was on the planet?
How powerful those versions were?
How long it took him to do it?
Heck for all you know it took him years to destroy a planet full of Spider-mans.
And it isn't demeaning a feat it is looking at it in context instead of speculation.
There have been multiple people in Exiles who have destroyed their version of Earth and it's heroes. None of them are 616 Silver Surfer in power or close to it.
Originally posted by quanchi112It looked like it but there isn't any real comparison. 616 Silver surfer on the other hand has achieved more through his career. His feats and showings are far more convicing to me, than Exiles Surfer's two issue fury mode. 616 Surfer wins.
Ok I didnt read exiles 53 was it the same earth that was in exiles 87 and 88. I know Galactus wasnt the same as his 616 counterpart but he still was powerful.And so the have no feats as they were meant to establish this Surfer as above them. No distinction was made good or bad about the fodder here. Again this Surfer let it all out and was vicious whereas the 616 Surfer is a goody to shoes.
Originally posted by quanchi112You know I would be inclined to agree with you saying he just showed up and destroyed the Earth, but when you try and use it as an example of why this Silver Surfer is the same as 616's the speculative nature has to be called into question, and the point is you can not verify the feat as impressive as you want it to be.
Here we go again. The feat is impressive and by the looks of how the Surfer was going about his business there was no prep. I am sure he showed up and put down earth's resistance easily.
Originally posted by xmarksthespotOh brother some of you people are impossible. Your opinion differs than mine and I already told you what I think while you choose to disagree thats fine. But I mean geez you are even disputing that the power cosmic was different when you know they were exactly the same and that there were no indicators as to think otherwise.
No, but then they looked the same so it doesn't matter apparently. 🙂
Originally posted by NewjakWhat I saw him accomplish on panel was enough for me to be impressed while it wasnt for you. I thought they did a good job of establishing how powerful he was but to some they didnt do a good job of establishing the characters he killed.
You know I would be inclined to agree with you saying he just showed up and destroyed the Earth, but when you try and use it as an example of why this Silver Surfer is the same as 616's the speculative nature has to be called into question, and the point is you can not verify the feat as impressive as you want it to be.
Originally posted by quanchi112It might have impressed you but that doesn't make him as strong as 616.
What I saw him accomplish on panel was enough for me to be impressed while it wasnt for you. I thought they did a good job of establishing how powerful he was but to some they didnt do a good job of establishing the characters he killed.
The guy simply has no feats that doesn't have some speculation involved.
Oh he beat an AU Glads. That Glads must have been the same powerwise.
Why?
Because they looked the same.
That isn't good evidence. That is speculation, and that doesn't prove anything.
Originally posted by quanchi112Considering Earth #522 was fundamentally different than #616, being a different reality and all, then the Power Cosmics can't be assumed equivalent. SS (522) is imbued by his respective Power Cosmic and SS (616) is imbued by his respective Power Cosmic.
Oh brother some of you people are impossible. Your opinion differs than mine and I already told you what I think while you choose to disagree thats fine. But I mean geez you are even disputing that the power cosmic was different when you know they were exactly the same and that there were no indicators as to think otherwise.
The Power Cosmic wielded by SS (522) is as powerful as the feats performed by SS (522), which basically is comprised of the list llagrok made on page 1 - which is essentially beating people who are never seen and/or have no feats - as well as being torn apart by Sabretooth and cut in half by Manta using his board, and likewise for SS (616) who has an abundance of feats to draw from.