Silver Surfer (exiles) vs Silver Surfer (616)

Originally posted by Newjak
It might have impressed you but that doesn't make him as strong as 616.

The guy simply has no feats that doesn't have some speculation involved.

Oh he beat an AU Glads. That Glads must have been the same powerwise.

Why?

Because they looked the same.

That isn't good evidence. That is speculation, and that doesn't prove anything.

He defeated the champions of a 1000 worlds. Is that not impressive? Or did these 1000 worlds need feats.

Err... no.

The onus on proving anything is really on you.

The only basis you have for attributing 522 Gladiator to being powerful - as powerful or more powerful than 616 Gladiator - is that he looks like 616 Gladiator.

"I can say, 616 Gladiator can do this or that, for example fly at FTL speeds. This can be seen in his fight with so and so or from issue ###."

Meanwhile upon what basis do you attribute 522 Gladiator being able to match or surpass any of the above from his two issue appearance? "Well 616 Gladiator did this or that so..."

Uh no, can't do that sorry.

What Glads had more than one appearance? What happened in the other ones?

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Err... no.

The onus on proving anything is really on you.

The only basis you have for attributing 522 Gladiator to being powerful - as powerful or more powerful than 616 Gladiator - is that he looks like 616 Gladiator.

"I can say, 616 Gladiator can do this or that, for example fly at FTL speeds. This can be seen in his fight with so and so or from issue ###."

Meanwhile upon what basis do you attribute 522 Gladiator being able to match or surpass any of the above from his two issue appearance?

Originally posted by quanchi112
I feel in how he [Gladiator] was portrayed in this comic that he was at the same power levels as the 616.

What did do in his other appearnces? 😐

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Based on what exactly over the course of him appearing in five pages over two issues, six if one includes in a portrait? Being dead in two of them.

Originally posted by quanchi112
It had to do wit the Surfer intimidating the entire galaxy. He soloed earth and defeated champions from a thousand worlds. How isnt that impressive? The writer got the point across to me.

That implies at least that he is obvoulsy a herald level character and a tough one at that.

Originally posted by Alfheim
That implies at least that he is obvoulsy a herald level character and a tough one at that.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Do you feel he is more powerful than the 616 Surfer?

To be fair im not sure. I would at least say that he is more dangerous because of his attitude. I mean the guy has a rzor surboard that can move at FTL that in itself makes you more dangerous.

Sorry who are you talking about glads or Surfer

There's nothing on panel to indicate it can move faster than light that I can recall right now.

Originally posted by quanchi112
It had to do wit the Surfer intimidating the entire galaxy. He soloed earth and defeated champions from a thousand worlds. How isnt that impressive? The writer got the point across to me.

So then what are we left with in the end?

Beating unspecified 522 champions, who are never shown.
Beating 522 Gladiator, who has no feats.
Beating a 522 Imperial Guard, who have no feats.
Laying waste to a 522 Earth that is never shown.
Being torn apart by a cosmic Sabretooth.
Being cut in half by 522 Manta with his own board.

Meanwhile 616 Surfer has bucketloads of feats against people who have their own bucketloads of feats.

It can't be proven 522 Surfer can even match 616 Surfer based on their respective feats in their respective universes with their respective Power Cosmics, ergo 616 Surfer wins.

Originally posted by Alfheim
To be fair im not sure. I would at least say that he is more dangerous because of his attitude. I mean the guy has a rzor surboard that can move at FTL that in itself makes you more dangerous.

Sorry who are you talking about glads or Surfer

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
There's nothing on panel to indicate it can move faster than light that I can recall right now.
An Earth that wasn't shown, champions that weren't shown. He was a threat to his universe's respective denizens, who again weren't really shown.

So then what are we left with in the end?

Beating unspecified 522 champions, who are never shown.
Beating 522 Gladiator, who has no feats.
Beating a 522 Imperial Guard, who have no feats.
Laying waste to a 522 Earth that is never shown.
Being torn apart by a cosmic Sabretooth.
Being cut in half by 522 Manta with his own board.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Norrin.

To be quite honest yes.......616 Surfer could beat Glads but not like that...

Originally posted by Alfheim
To be quite honest yes.......616 Surfer could beat Glads but not like that...

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
There's nothing on panel to indicate it can move faster than light that I can recall right now.

Exiles SS did have to traverse great distances quickly, and was able to catch up to ships that could travel between Star Systems.

Nothing that 616 Surfer hasn't done and more but still I think that Exiles SS can achieve Light Speed.

Of course so can a lot of characters that are weaker than 616 Surfer.

Originally posted by quanchi112
They wouldnt allow him to be killed off in that manner. Just as Superboy had a great fight with Prime even though Prime is much more powerful.

Yeah but I dont even think that 616 Surfer could stop Glads punch like that. Exiles Surfer is at least tougher.

Originally posted by Newjak
Well to be fair now.

Exiles SS did have to traverse great distances quickly, and was able to catch up to ships that could travel between Star Systems.

Nothing that 616 Surfer hasn't done and more but still I think that Exiles SS can achieve Light Speed.

Of course so can a lot of characters that are weaker than 616 Surfer.

You would say at least that EXiles Surfer is herald level right?

Originally posted by Newjak
Well to be fair now.

Exiles SS did have to traverse great distances quickly, and was able to catch up to ships that could travel between Star Systems.

Nothing that 616 Surfer hasn't done and more but still I think that Exiles SS can achieve Light Speed.

Of course so can a lot of characters that are weaker than 616 Surfer.

Wait wait the guys has to travel through outer space and different planets and its need to be written down in balck and white that he can go FTL speed?