James Cameron to announce Jesus tomb discovery.

Originally posted by Robtard
[b]Jesus: Tales from the Crypt

Brace yourself. James Cameron, the man who brought you 'The Titanic' is back with another blockbuster. This time, the ship he's sinking is Christianity.

In a new documentary, Producer Cameron and his director, Simcha Jacobovici, make the starting claim that Jesus wasn't resurrected --the cornerstone of Christian faith-- and that his burial cave was discovered near Jerusalem. And, get this, Jesus sired a son with Mary Magdelene.

No, it's not a re-make of "The Da Vinci Codes'. It's supposed to be true.

Let's go back 27 years, when Israeli construction workers were gouging out the foundations for a new building in the industrial park in the Talpiyot, a Jerusalem suburb. of Jerusalem. The earth gave way, revealing a 2,000 year old cave with 10 stone caskets. Archologists were summoned, and the stone caskets carted away for examination. It took 20 years for experts to decipher the names on the ten tombs. They were: Jesua, son of Joseph, Mary, Mary, Mathew, Jofa and Judah, son of Jesua.
Israel's prominent archeologist Professor Amos Kloner didn't associate the crypt with the New Testament Jesus. His father, after all, was a humble carpenter who couldn't afford a luxury crypt for his family. And all were common Jewish names.

There was also this little inconvenience that a few miles away, in the old city of Jerusalem, Christians for centuries had been worshipping the empty tomb of Christ at the Church of the Holy Sepulcher. Christ's resurrection, after all, is the main foundation of the faith, proof that a boy born to a carpenter's wife in a manger is the Son of God.

But film-makers Cameron and Jacobovici claim to have amassed evidence through DNA tests, archeological evidence and Biblical studies, that the 10 coffins belong to Jesus and his family.

Ever the showman, (Why does this remind me of the impresario in another movie,"King Kong", whose hubris blinds him to the dangers of an angry and very large ape?) Cameron is holding a New York press conference on Monday at which he will reveal three coffins, supposedly those of Jesus of Nazareth, his mother Mary and Mary Magdalene. News about the film, which will be shown soon on Discovery Channel, Britain's Channel 4, Canada's Vision, and Israel's Channel 8, has been a hot blog topic in the Middle East (check out a personal favorite: Israelity Bites) Here in the Holy Land, Biblical Archeology is a dangerous profession. This 90-minute documentary is bound to outrage Christians and stir up a titanic debate between believers and skeptics. Stay tuned.

--Tim McGirk/Jerusalem
http://time-blog.com/middle_east/ [/B]

You know it's odd. I guess since it couldn't be proven that Jesus didn't exist over the years, the new lie being propagated by those who oppose Christianity is to destroy the whole resurrection miracle.

This is ridiculous. So what, they found a tomb of a couple of people who may have been related to Jesus. Jesus had cousins, brothers, sisters, many of which were married and had families. Did it ever cross anyone's mind that perhaps some of his relatives were buried in the tomb? This is really silly stuff. I don't mind people trying to get the facts straight, but from what I can tell so far -- much of this seems to be sensationalized bias against Christianity.

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
To which Ted in the one hour critical mentions why waste the money on paying actors and making documentary a drama when that money could have been used to do the testing more properly.

This is simply a veiled criticism of the dramatizations in the program. There is no reason to believe that had there been no dramatizations in the program, that they would have had the budget to swab the other ossuaries for residue to test for DNA.

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
It's still part of the tomb. It should be included.

Who said that it should not be included?

Originally posted by sithsaber408
I've still seen 100 kids baptized in the Holy Spirit at once and speak in tounges, and seen them healed of asthma and diabetes on the spot. (that was all at one youth event.)

A prophet came to our church 3 weeks ago and told me that things of my family line, the generational curses that they dealt with and had impacted me, wouldn't be passed on any farther and wouldn't effect my children.

Funny that me and my wife had been talking that very sunday morning about my mother, grandmother, and great-grandmother having bi-polar depression, and my grandmother on my father's side have paranoid scyzophrenia and all of them using alcohol or drugs and how I had dealt with a depression for a few months as a teenager and been on all kinds of drugs, isn't it?

Funny that we should be talking about that and my wife saying that she hopes our kids (when we have them) don't carry on those traits.

And even funnier that pastor Marc Cargill from Oregon, a man I'd never met before IN MY LIFE, was given that EXACT word by the Holy Spirit to tell me, isn't it?

Jesus Camp much?

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
Jesus Camp much?

Truth much?

I've no reason to lie to you. I'm no fool, and it takes real power in front of my eyes to make me believe in Jesus Christ and his message.

You don't have to believe me, but you wanted a question as to how this documentary would effect a Christian.

And I answered: ... it doesn't.

It's inacurate, incomplete and an uproved theory.

I'll make no apologies for stating the things that I've seen.

And you capt?

Any answer as to how Pastor Cargill was able to give me that word?

Originally posted by sithsaber408
And I answered: ... it doesn't.

Of course it wouldn't. No matter what evidence comes to light, you will believe only what you want to believe.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
I've no reason to lie to you.

I didn't say you were lying to me. I have no doubt that you believe what you believe. I have no doubt that you think you've seen the tangible evidence of god's handiwork.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
You don't have to believe me.

I don't.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
And I answered: ... it doesn't.

.... 😕 thanks, I guess

Originally posted by sithsaber408
It's inacurate, incomplete and an uproved theory.

The same could be said of god. But that wasn't my question. I wasn't addressing the theory proposed by the documentary. I was asking what you would do if there had been conclusive evidence about Jesus having mortal remains. You said it wouldn't effect your faith. (despite the fact that is kind of the whole point of christianity) That's fine. Now I would like others to answer the question. But they won't. So good for you. You're the only one of your christian brothers and sisters that are willing to address the question.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
I'll make no apologies for stating the things that I've seen.

I didn't ask for one.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
And you Capt?

Any answer as to how Pastor Cargill was able to give me that word?

A guy showed up at your church and said even though your family has had problems, those problems won't be passed on to your children. I'm pretty sure you could say the first half of the statment applies to every family on the planet, and the second half is an ambigious comment that can't be addressed until you've had kids. But, when you do, and they have problems, maybe they won't be the same problems. Maybe they'll be all new problems. Maybe they'll be gay. If the guy saying it to you was a psychic, you'd dismiss it faster than I do your claim.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
It means nothing really.

It was a theory, based on statistical probability and incomplete DNA evidence.

A theory, one that wasn't even conclusive.

You just described Intelligent Design.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
Yeah, a mary and a joseph and a jesus and a matthew were burried together. Yeah, some were family, and some weren't.

If I found a tomb that had a tom, dick, harry, and jane, what would it matter?

Frequency of Names:

[list][*]Jesus, Son of Joseph: 1/190
[*]Mariamne: 1/160
[*]Matia: 1/40
[*]Maria: 1/4[/list]

Based on these results, it would appear that the names in and of themselves were not uncommon at the time. However, the chances of them being found together are an extremely remote 1 in 97,280,000.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
I've still seen 100 kids baptized in the Holy Spirit at once and speak in tounges, and seen them healed of asthma and diabetes on the spot. (that was all at one youth event.)

Glossolalia is fabricated, meaningless speech.

According to Dr. William T. Samarin, professor of anthropology and linguistics at the University of Toronto, "glossolalia consists of strings of meaningless syllables made up of sounds taken from those familiar to the speaker and put together more or less haphazardly . . . Glossolalia is language-like because the speaker unconsciously wants it to be language-like. Yet in spite of superficial similarities, glossolalia fundamentally is not language."

Originally posted by sithsaber408
A prophet came to our church 3 weeks ago and told me that things of my family line, the generational curses that they dealt with and had impacted me, wouldn't be passed on any farther and wouldn't effect my children.

Funny that me and my wife had been talking that very sunday morning about my mother, grandmother, and great-grandmother having bi-polar depression, and my grandmother on my father's side have paranoid scyzophrenia and all of them using alcohol or drugs and how I had dealt with a depression for a few months as a teenager and been on all kinds of drugs, isn't it?

Funny that we should be talking about that and my wife saying that she hopes our kids (when we have them) don't carry on those traits.

And even funnier that pastor Marc Cargill from Oregon, a man I'd never met before IN MY LIFE, was given that EXACT word by the Holy Spirit to tell me, isn't it?

The Forer Effect is a cold reading technique in which one makes seemingly personal statements that can apply to many people. The effect relies in part on the eagerness of people to fill in details and make connections between what is said and some aspect of their own lives, often searching their entire life's history to find some connection, or reinterpreting the statement in any number of different possible ways so as to make it apply to themselves.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE

Frequency of Names:

[list][*]Jesus, Son of Joseph: 1/190
[*]Mariamne: 1/160
[*]Matia: 1/40
[*]Maria: 1/4[/list]

Based on these results, it would appear that the names in and of themselves were not uncommon at the time. However, the chances of them being found together are an extremely remote 1 in 97,280,000.

That's assuming a random statistical sampling of names. In truth, a those names could likely run in families. meaning that the odds of finding them together would go up.

As an offhand, why do we still use the Hellenistic Jesus rather than the more Hebrew Yeshua or Yehoshua - or even the English version: Joshua?

Originally posted by docb77
That's assuming a random statistical sampling of names. In truth, a those names could likely run in families. meaning that the odds of finding them together would go up.

No, the probability is based on a representative sample of the frequency and distribution of Jewish names in the first century BCE.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Glossolalia is fabricated, meaningless speech.

According to Dr. William T. Samarin, professor of anthropology and linguistics at the University of Toronto, "glossolalia consists of strings of meaningless syllables made up of sounds taken from those familiar to the speaker and put together more or less haphazardly . . . Glossolalia is language-like because the speaker unconsciously wants it to be language-like. Yet in spite of superficial similarities, glossolalia fundamentally is not language."

Originally posted by Nellinator
Speaking in tongues is far different than what he is describing. Speaking in tongues involves speaking in existing languages that are unknown to the speaker, but that people of that language can easily understand. If that is not the case then yes, it is glossolalia, which I concede, sadly occurs far more often than speaking in tongues.

Three different manifestations or forms of glossolalia can be identified in Christian belief. The "sign of tongues" refers to xenoglossia, wherein one speaks a foreign language he has never learned. The "gift of tongues" or "giving a tongue" refers to a glossolalic utterance by an individual and addressed to a congregation of, typically, other believers. Lastly "praying in the spirit" is typically used to refer to glossolalia as part of personal prayer.

Is Discovery Burying 'Lost Tomb'?
Net Pulls Repeat, Declines to Tout Ratings

By James Hibberd

Discovery Channel's controversial James Cameron-produced documentary "The Lost Tomb of Jesus" drew the largest audience for the network in more than a year on Sunday night, but the network has taken several recent steps to downplay the project.

Departing from normal procedures, the cable network didn't tout its big ratings win. The network also scheduled a last-minute special that harshly criticized its own documentary, and has yanked a planned repeat of "Tomb."

"This is not one where you necessarily beat the drum, from a business perspective," said David Leavy, executive VP of corporate communications at Discovery. "It's not necessarily about making money, or making ratings, or shouting from the highest office building. Sometimes having some maturity and perspective is more important than getting picked up in all the ratings highlights."

The documentary, executive produced by Oscar-winning "Titanic" director Mr. Cameron, claims to have found the family tomb of Jesus Christ, unearthed in Jerusalem. The findings include circumstantial evidence suggesting Christ and Mary Magdalene were a couple, and that they had a son named Judah.

Discovery formally announced the special last month and quickly incited a worldwide media frenzy, including stories in Time and Newsweek and links on the Drudge Report. But much of the coverage was highly skeptical of the documentary's findings. Prominent archaeologists disputed the program, while Christian groups criticized it for conflicting with the New Testament.

Although Mr. Leavy said the network stands by the documentary "100 percent," the company took several unusual steps in the wake of the controversy that could be seen as distancing itself from the content.

Last week, Discovery abruptly scheduled a panel debate to air after the documentary, moderated by Discovery newsman Ted Koppel. Discovery's announcement of the panel emphasized that Mr. Koppel "has no connection to the production of 'The Lost Tomb of Jesus'" and that "the panel will explore the filmmakers' profound assertions and challenge their assumptions and suggested conclusions."

When the panel discussion aired, guests criticized the documentary as "archaeo-porn" that played fast and loose with the facts.

The day after the March 4 airing, Discovery yanked a planned repeat of "Tomb" from its more hard-news-branded Discovery Times Channel.

When the Nielsen ratings revealed that "Tomb" averaged 4.1 million viewers - Discovery's largest audience since September 2005 - the network declined to put out a press release touting the numbers, as would be standard practice for a highly successful premiere. The second-season premiere of Discovery Channel's "Future Weapons," for instance, earned a media announcement for its audience of 2.5 million. A network representative, however, insisted Discovery was not trying to bury "Tomb."

No press release on the ratings was sent out, Mr. Leavy said, because of the show's subject matter. As for the yanked Discovery Times repeat, Mr. Leavy said that outlet wasn't the best venue to repeat the special.

The last record-setting Discovery Channel project also was about a sensitive subject, the9/11-themed "The Flight That Fought Back," yet Discovery issued a press release about its ratings.

The network still plans to air a previously scheduled "Tomb" repeat on its Spanish network on March 18, as well as an HD version on Discovery HD Theater on March 28.

"We are very proud of the program - we stand by it 100 percent," Mr. Leavy said.

Mr. Leavy said the network should be credited for airing a critical post-show panel.

"We added the Koppel panel once it was clear there was worldwide interest," he said. "Our responsibility is to give viewers all the information and let them decide. There is no way to ever prove this beyond a reasonable doubt."

Moving forward, Mr. Leavy said the network plans to increase its focus on archeology projects. The network recently signed History Channel's "Digging for Truth" host Josh Bernstein to develop new archeology series and specials.

"We are going to be doubling down in this space," he said. "We will soon be back in the news with more archeology."

http://www.tvweek.com/news.cms?newsId=11681

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Three different manifestations or forms of glossolalia can be identified in Christian belief. The "sign of tongues" refers to xenoglossia, wherein one speaks a foreign language he has never learned. The "gift of tongues" or "giving a tongue" refers to a glossolalic utterance by an individual and addressed to a congregation of, typically, other believers. Lastly "praying in the spirit" is typically used to refer to glossolalia as part of personal prayer.

Whatever word you want to call it, how would you explain that at a youth conference a man can pray to Christ for the "glossolalia" and that ...bang!... in an instant 100 kids who had no preperation other than an open heart were doing it?

Your words are merely scientific labels of supernatural actions.

yawn

Originally posted by sithsaber408
[b]Is Discovery Burying 'Lost Tomb'?
Net Pulls Repeat, Declines to Tout Ratings

By James Hibberd

Discovery Channel's controversial James Cameron-produced documentary "The Lost Tomb of Jesus" drew the largest audience for the network in more than a year on Sunday night, but the network has taken several recent steps to downplay the project.

Departing from normal procedures, the cable network didn't tout its big ratings win. The network also scheduled a last-minute special that harshly criticized its own documentary, and has yanked a planned repeat of "Tomb."

"This is not one where you necessarily beat the drum, from a business perspective," said David Leavy, executive VP of corporate communications at Discovery. "It's not necessarily about making money, or making ratings, or shouting from the highest office building. Sometimes having some maturity and perspective is more important than getting picked up in all the ratings highlights."

The documentary, executive produced by Oscar-winning "Titanic" director Mr. Cameron, claims to have found the family tomb of Jesus Christ, unearthed in Jerusalem. The findings include circumstantial evidence suggesting Christ and Mary Magdalene were a couple, and that they had a son named Judah.

Discovery formally announced the special last month and quickly incited a worldwide media frenzy, including stories in Time and Newsweek and links on the Drudge Report. But much of the coverage was highly skeptical of the documentary's findings. Prominent archaeologists disputed the program, while Christian groups criticized it for conflicting with the New Testament.

Although Mr. Leavy said the network stands by the documentary "100 percent," the company took several unusual steps in the wake of the controversy that could be seen as distancing itself from the content.

Last week, Discovery abruptly scheduled a panel debate to air after the documentary, moderated by Discovery newsman Ted Koppel. Discovery's announcement of the panel emphasized that Mr. Koppel "has no connection to the production of 'The Lost Tomb of Jesus'" and that "the panel will explore the filmmakers' profound assertions and challenge their assumptions and suggested conclusions."

When the panel discussion aired, guests criticized the documentary as "archaeo-porn" that played fast and loose with the facts.

The day after the March 4 airing, Discovery yanked a planned repeat of "Tomb" from its more hard-news-branded Discovery Times Channel.

When the Nielsen ratings revealed that "Tomb" averaged 4.1 million viewers - Discovery's largest audience since September 2005 - the network declined to put out a press release touting the numbers, as would be standard practice for a highly successful premiere. The second-season premiere of Discovery Channel's "Future Weapons," for instance, earned a media announcement for its audience of 2.5 million. A network representative, however, insisted Discovery was not trying to bury "Tomb."

No press release on the ratings was sent out, Mr. Leavy said, because of the show's subject matter. As for the yanked Discovery Times repeat, Mr. Leavy said that outlet wasn't the best venue to repeat the special.

The last record-setting Discovery Channel project also was about a sensitive subject, the9/11-themed "The Flight That Fought Back," yet Discovery issued a press release about its ratings.

The network still plans to air a previously scheduled "Tomb" repeat on its Spanish network on March 18, as well as an HD version on Discovery HD Theater on March 28.

"We are very proud of the program - we stand by it 100 percent," Mr. Leavy said.

Mr. Leavy said the network should be credited for airing a critical post-show panel.

"We added the Koppel panel once it was clear there was worldwide interest," he said. "Our responsibility is to give viewers all the information and let them decide. There is no way to ever prove this beyond a reasonable doubt."

Moving forward, Mr. Leavy said the network plans to increase its focus on archeology projects. The network recently signed History Channel's "Digging for Truth" host Josh Bernstein to develop new archeology series and specials.

"We are going to be doubling down in this space," he said. "We will soon be back in the news with more archeology."

http://www.tvweek.com/news.cms?newsId=11681[/b]

Your point?

Originally posted by sithsaber408
Whatever word you want to call it, how would you explain that at a youth conference a man can pray to Christ for the "glossolalia" and that ...bang!... in an instant 100 kids who had no preperation other than an open heart were doing it?

Your words are merely scientific labels of supernatural actions.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Glossolalia is fabricated, meaningless speech.

According to Dr. William T. Samarin, professor of anthropology and linguistics at the University of Toronto, "glossolalia consists of strings of meaningless syllables made up of sounds taken from those familiar to the speaker and put together more or less haphazardly . . . Glossolalia is language-like because the speaker unconsciously wants it to be language-like. Yet in spite of superficial similarities, glossolalia fundamentally is not language."

Sorry, but anyone who actually believes that speaking in "tongues" is valid proof of a higher being/power is seriously stupid. How hard is it for anyone to fall to the floor, convulse and mutter out gibberish?

As far as faith healing, if it were true, why aren't faith healers at hospitals and infirmaries curing the masses of HIV, cancer and all manners of deadly diseases? Seems like that would not only be a proper Christian thing to do especially for children afflicted with deseases, but it would gain Christianity thousands of converts and serve as undeniable proof.

Originally posted by Robtard
Sorry, but anyone who actually believes that speaking in "tongues" is valid proof of a higher being/power is seriously stupid. How hard is it for anyone to fall to the floor, convulse and mutter out gibberish?

As far as faith healing, if it were true, why aren't faith healers at hospitals and infirmaries curing the masses of HIV, cancer and all manners of deadly diseases? Seems like that would not only be a proper Christian thing to do especially for children afflicted with deseases, but it would gain Christianity thousands of converts and serve as undeniable proof.

You are speaking of the Pentacostal "Holly Roller" type churches.

What do you say to me sitting quietly in my own room praying for the gift of tounges, feeling as though I was on top of a mountain with the wind in my face and a cool brook in my chest as the Holy Spirit gave me the gift of that utterance?

What do you say to the folks at my church who stand around quite calmly and let the Spirit flow through them, not falling down or convulsing or any of that, but rather being used by God.

At the youth event I spoke of, nobody was on the floor looking like an epileptic.... they were standing upright, still and praying, and the pastor prayed for the gift and ... BAM!... 100 kids had it at once.

You misunderstand faith healing as well.

It's not some magic power, to be used at a human's discretion with a point of a finger. It happens when and where God wills.

What do you say to Lori Waters whose 2 year old grandson fell off of the second story balcony and ruptured his spleen?

The boy who was unconscious at Sutter Medical Center (in Roseville,CA) where she waited in the next room as the doctors decided that the rupture in his spleen was too severe to handle there and that he should be lifted by helicopter to UC Davis. Where she took our pastors word on Sat. night that somebody in the weekend was going to recieve a miracle (be it finances, or health, or whateve else, he wasn't sure), and decided that because it was Sunday night and the weekend wasn't over yet that she would stand on that word and ask God to heal the baby boy.

What do you say to the doctors at UC Davis receiving the boy who was already gaining his conciousness back in the helicopter, and finding through x-rays and other tests that THERE WAS NO LONGER A RUPTURE IN HIS SPLEEN and that in fact, he was in perfect health?

What do you say Rob?

Probably the same thing as the doctors at UC Davis:... nothing.

You have no answer for it, just as they didn't.

God is real, His son Jesus Christ is real, and the power of the Holy Spirit is real.

You don't have to believe it, but when it comes to the gifts of Tounges, or Healing, or Prophecy..... you would do well not to speak ill of things that you've never seen for yourself and have no real understanding of.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
You are speaking of the Pentacostal "Holly Roller" type churches.

What do you say to me sitting quietly in my own room praying for the gift of tounges, feeling as though I was on top of a mountain with the wind in my face and a cool brook in my chest as the Holy Spirit gave me the gift of that utterance?

What do you say to the folks at my church who stand around quite calmly and let the Spirit flow through them, not falling down or convulsing or any of that, but rather being used by God.

At the youth event I spoke of, nobody was on the floor looking like an epileptic.... they were standing upright, still and praying, and the pastor prayed for the gift and ... BAM!... 100 kids had it at once.

You misunderstand faith healing as well.

It's not some magic power, to be used at a human's discretion with a point of a finger. It happens when and where God wills.

What do you say to Lori Waters whose 2 year old grandson fell off of the second story balcony and ruptured his spleen?

The boy who was unconscious at Sutter Medical Center (in Roseville,CA) where she waited in the next room as the doctors decided that the rupture in his spleen was too severe to handle there and that he should be lifted by helicopter to UC Davis. Where she took our pastors word on Sat. night that somebody in the weekend was going to recieve a miracle (be it finances, or health, or whateve else, he wasn't sure), and decided that because it was Sunday night and the weekend wasn't over yet that she would stand on that word and ask God to heal the baby boy.

What do you say to the doctors at UC Davis receiving the boy who was already gaining his conciousness back in the helicopter, and finding through x-rays and other tests that THERE WAS NO LONGER A RUPTURE IN HIS SPLEEN and that in fact, he was in perfect health?

What do you say Rob?

Probably the same thing as the doctors at UC Davis:... nothing.

You have no answer for it, just as they didn't.

God is real, His son Jesus Christ is real, and the power of the Holy Spirit is real.

You don't have to believe it, but when it comes to the gifts of Tounges, or Healing, or Prophecy..... you would do well not to speak ill of things that you've never seen for yourself and have no real understanding of.

1) Pray for the gift of tongues all you like, but explain how anyone, even the "unrighteous" can utter out gibberish? There, I just did it... I uttered gibberish and I didn't need God to help me do it, explain that.

2) Good for them? Anyone can stand and think or say "The spirit is flowing through me"

3) This gift that the 100 children had was speaking in gibberish correct? If so, see answer #1 above.

4) How convenient it only happens when/where science isn't around, that the majority of "faith heals" happen at religious gatherings where only like minded people gather.

5) Ever hear of a misdiagnosis? It happens, doctors do make mistakes and think that patients were hurt more (or less) severely than first diagnosed.

It's not that I "speak ill" of such things as I call shenanigans when I see it... I also don't believe in other foolish supernatural mysticism like curses, vampires, bogeymen, ghost, disembodiment, seeing the future etc. etc. etc.

^^^^

No and you shouldn't believe in those things, either.

I'll not waste your time, as I know you don't believe me.

But I'm no fool, and I only believe in the things that I do because I've seen them happen in front of me. I've seen the power of the Holy Spirit to act supernaturaly in a person's life.

I hope someday you might experience something like it too.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
^^^^

No and you shouldn't believe in those things, either.

I'll not waste your time, as I know you don't believe me.

But I'm no fool, and I only believe in the things that I do because I've seen them happen in front of me. I've seen the power of the Holy Spirit to act supernaturaly in a person's life.

I hope someday you might experience something like it too.

Fair enough... The minute I see someone miraculously healed before my eyes because God/Jesus was called upon, I'll begin to believe. I'm not holding my breath for it though...

Sith, don't bother. Even when the proof of God becomes undeniable, they will still deny it.

You have touched on the problem with glossolalia--the stereotypical church as seen in Borat, with people running around, dancing, shouting, being "slain in the Spirit," etc.