this doesnt make any sense, jesus wasnt buried in his tomb, his body was left inside a friends tomb. Does anyone not acknowledge this? I mean whatever, the government is taking christ away from our country and this will only add fuel to the fire. bullcrap! there is no way they can verify his dna, but they will WATCH
Re: James Cameron to announce Jesus tomb discovery...
Originally posted by Robtard
[b]Jesus: Tales from the CryptBrace yourself. James Cameron, the man who brought you 'The Titanic' is back with another blockbuster. This time, the ship he's sinking is Christianity.
In a new documentary, Producer Cameron and his director, Simcha Jacobovici, make the starting claim that Jesus wasn't resurrected --the cornerstone of Christian faith-- and that his burial cave was discovered near Jerusalem. And, get this, Jesus sired a son with Mary Magdelene.
No, it's not a re-make of "The Da Vinci Codes'. It's supposed to be true.
Let's go back 27 years, when Israeli construction workers were gouging out the foundations for a new building in the industrial park in the Talpiyot, a Jerusalem suburb. of Jerusalem. The earth gave way, revealing a 2,000 year old cave with 10 stone caskets. Archologists were summoned, and the stone caskets carted away for examination. It took 20 years for experts to decipher the names on the ten tombs. They were: Jesua, son of Joseph, Mary, Mary, Mathew, Jofa and Judah, son of Jesua.
Israel's prominent archeologist Professor Amos Kloner didn't associate the crypt with the New Testament Jesus. His father, after all, was a humble carpenter who couldn't afford a luxury crypt for his family. And all were common Jewish names.There was also this little inconvenience that a few miles away, in the old city of Jerusalem, Christians for centuries had been worshipping the empty tomb of Christ at the Church of the Holy Sepulcher. Christ's resurrection, after all, is the main foundation of the faith, proof that a boy born to a carpenter's wife in a manger is the Son of God.
But film-makers Cameron and Jacobovici claim to have amassed evidence through DNA tests, archeological evidence and Biblical studies, that the 10 coffins belong to Jesus and his family.
Ever the showman, (Why does this remind me of the impresario in another movie,"King Kong", whose hubris blinds him to the dangers of an angry and very large ape?) Cameron is holding a New York press conference on Monday at which he will reveal three coffins, supposedly those of Jesus of Nazareth, his mother Mary and Mary Magdalene. News about the film, which will be shown soon on Discovery Channel, Britain's Channel 4, Canada's Vision, and Israel's Channel 8, has been a hot blog topic in the Middle East (check out a personal favorite: Israelity Bites) Here in the Holy Land, Biblical Archeology is a dangerous profession. This 90-minute documentary is bound to outrage Christians and stir up a titanic debate between believers and skeptics. Stay tuned.
--Tim McGirk/Jerusalem
http://time-blog.com/middle_east/ [/B]
The Jesus tomb discovery hoax and those who fell for it hook, line, sinker, the fisherman, his boots, the fishing rod, and his boat.
Re: Re: James Cameron to announce Jesus tomb discovery...
Originally posted by ragesRemorse
this doesnt make any sense, jesus wasnt buried in his tomb, his body was left inside a friends tomb. Does anyone not acknowledge this? I mean whatever, the government is taking christ away from our country and this will only add fuel to the fire. bullcrap! there is no way they can verify his dna, but they will WATCH
Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
Did you even watch the documentary?It doesn't seem that way. If you did, you didn't understand it. To this end, I would invite you not to post in this thread anymore. This thread was open for at least a week before the program aired. In that time all the posts were speculation. The program has been rebroadcast several times on a number of basic and higher tier cable channels, however. If you can't avail yourself of one of the repeat showings, then you don't need to be commenting on the very specific topic of this thread.
And Adam may say you, like the biblical scholar he mentioned from the 'critical look", are approaching it with a closed mind. But I disagree. It's clear from your useless comments that you didn't even approach the documentary at all. But I agree you didn't even try because you're close minded.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
http://www.johnankerberg.org/Articles/historical-Jesus/the-Jesus-family-tomb/the-Jesus-family-tomb.htmThe Jesus tomb discovery hoax and those who fell for it hook, line, sinker, the fisherman, his boots, the fishing rod, and his boat.
In other words, since the archaeological and scientific evidence contradicts The Bible, it is the evidence that is wrong. 🙄
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Frequency of Names:[list][*]Jesus, Son of Joseph: 1/190
[*]Mariamne: 1/160
[*]Matia: 1/40
[*]Maria: 1/4[/list]Based on these results, it would appear that the names in and of themselves were not uncommon at the time. However, the chances of them being found together are an extremely remote 1 in 97,280,000.
Nevertheless, to allow for any possible criticism regarding the inclusion of Matia (or Matthew) – since this name is not explicitly referenced in the canonical Gospels – Feueverger decided to eliminate him from the equation. The new probability that this was not the family of tomb of Jesus was 1 in 2,400,000. Once the unintentional bias had been accounted for, that number dropped to 1 in 600 (still a low probability from a statistical standpoint).
I didn´t like the part of the "critical look" where they tryied to discredit the documentary arguing that it was a dramatization. We can´t generalize that argument to the entire documentary and discard everything. I mean, the statistics were not a dramatization, the tombs, the ossuaries and the DNA were not dramatizations.
I think scientific studies should be made about the documentary. We cannot ignore the scientific relevance of the documentary just by talk.
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
I'm open to whatever James and the project present...however, I just know both sides of the fence (atheist and Christians) are just gonna go at each others throats. Anyways, no one does anything for free...so whatever people will pay for this most likely is the main object and the actual project itself.
Yeah, but that is the situation in most documentaries and films of the sorts.
Im sure there are still people somewhere who just do it for free in the name of knowledge and discovery...
Originally posted by Atlantis001
I think there was a lot of evidence in there to just ignore it. I hope there is still someone researching it.
No there wasn't, during the time of old testament and new testament there a lot people called joseph, joshua, mary, etc these names and countless others are very well used. The whole thing was a waste of time, bottom line.
Originally posted by the Darkone
No there wasn't, during the time of old testament and new testament there a lot people called joseph, joshua, mary, etc these names and countless others are very well used. The whole thing was a waste of time, bottom line.
Yes, but thats why there is statistics. The probability of finding all those names togheter is minimal.
Re: Re: Re: James Cameron to announce Jesus tomb discovery...
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
In other words, since the archaeological and scientific evidence contradicts The Bible, it is the evidence that is wrong. 🙄
seeing how it claims to be something as impactfull as to what inspires Christian religion. I would like to think that the discovery verifies what the Bible speaks of Jesus' life rather than raise questions about the validity of the discovery
Sad thing is, this is nothing new, the BBC did a very similar documentary to this one in which they found possible remains of Christ. However this will make interesting viewing. Will it bring down Christianity? No of course not, chances are its garbage and half thought theories. We all know where the truth behind Christianity is...Vatican City! Let's bust it open!
Now lets not forget, that if Jesus had a tomb, the apostles would have known where it was and they would have removed the body of Christ and most likely have destroyed it. Or the Church would haev done so in the years after.
im not very intelligent, so exscuse the ignorance in this question. How would Dna testing prove anything without a fresh sample to compare it to? what would they find out...that the Dna was that of a jewish man? Unless jesus took a vacation to come down to earth and give someone a fresh sample of his Dna, how can they prove anything with dna testing?