Originally posted by Elite Hunter
by no means Darth Exodus would this battle be easy for either of them.
Why not exactly? On equal footing, in saber combat, PoD Bane was able to completely dominate Kas'im in their duel (who's logically above Mace in saber combat, and on his level in the very least; I'll elaborate if you wish, though it has been substantiated numerous times), and this was before obtaining the orbalisk armour, and spending ten years studying the force and training with his lightsaber. By Ro2, Bane would logically be able to completely decimate Kas'im under the same circumstances, so I really fail to see how he'd have to really work hard to beat someone on Mace's level.
As for force combat, Bane's performance during the BoD's Force Storm Ritual is literally a gazillion times greater than anything Mace has ever done, and his force strength is stated to be on a level far, far greater than what can be deducted for the Jedi.
From what we know, Mace is nowhere near Bane's level. He would logically get owned.
Don't be ridiculous. The volts determine how forcefully the current is emitted. The volts, alone, don't have any physical effect on you, so you labelling them harmless in the way that you're doing sounds just silly. The amps are what technically kill you, yes, I never denied that, but the voltage is fully proportional with the intensity of the current emitted, and in a million volt stun gun, the intensity can easily kill someone if targeted at an organ such as the heart.
No, they can't kill even "aimed at the heart," because volts aren't what kills.
Non lethal? No, lethal. Not as lethal, but if targeted at the heart or something, it would eventually kill you if continuously released.
Either way, none of this changes the fact that you committed a fallacy by trying to downplay the lethality of a million volts by using the low price of such a stun gun.
They cannot kill, period. They have done numerous studies of the devices effects, and even when they probes are placed so that the heart is directly between the probes, feeling thew full brunt of the discharge there is no change in the hearts rhythm. Taser International has been sued hundreds of times for "causing deaths," and they have never lost one of these cases, because no evidence supports the assertion that tasers kill. Stun guns are even l;ess harmful than tasers, because they operate on local muscle mass, they don't incapacitate the central nervous system. They sure as hell cannot kill.
I am Taser International certified to operate the X 26 device, I had to go through a long training program, and I've had one used on me. Try not to argue with a pro noobaris, you'll just look even sillier.
Originally posted by OmegaSupreme
Why not exactly? On equal footing, in saber combat, PoD Bane was able to completely dominate Kas'im in their duel (who's logically above Mace in saber combat, and on his level in the very least; I'll elaborate if you wish, though it has been substantiated numerous times), and this was before obtaining the orbalisk armour, and spending ten years studying the force and training with his lightsaber. By Ro2, Bane would logically be able to completely decimate Kas'im under the same circumstances, so I really fail to see how he'd have to really work hard to beat someone on Mace's level.
As for force combat, Bane's performance during the BoD's Force Storm Ritual is literally a gazillion times greater than anything Mace has ever done, and his force strength is stated to be on a level far, far greater than what can be deducted for the Jedi.
From what we know, Mace is nowhere near Bane's level. He would logically get owned. [/B]
Originally posted by fascistcrusader
Don't be ridiculous. The volts determine how forcefully the current is emitted. The volts, alone, don't have any physical effect on you, so you labelling them harmless in the way that you're doing sounds just silly. The amps are what technically kill you, yes, I never denied that, but the voltage is fully proportional with the intensity of the current emitted, and in a million volt stun gun, the intensity can easily kill someone if targeted at an organ such as the heart.No, they can't kill even "aimed at the heart," because volts aren't what kills.
Non lethal? No, lethal. Not as lethal, but if targeted at the heart or something, it would eventually kill you if continuously released.
Either way, none of this changes the fact that you committed a fallacy by trying to downplay the lethality of a million volts by using the low price of such a stun gun.
They cannot kill, period. They have done numerous studies of the devices effects, and even when they probes are placed so that the heart is directly between the probes, feeling thew full brunt of the discharge there is no change in the hearts rhythm. Taser International has been sued hundreds of times for "causing deaths," and they have never lost one of these cases, because no evidence supports the assertion that tasers kill. Stun guns are even l;ess harmful than tasers, because they operate on local muscle mass, they don't incapacitate the central nervous system. They sure as hell cannot kill.
I am Taser International certified to operate the X 26 device, I had to go through a long training program, and I've had one used on me. Try not to argue with a pro noobaris, you'll just look even sillier.
Don't waste your time. His points have been defeated and he'll continue typing.
Originally posted by fascistcrusader
Don't be ridiculous. The volts determine how forcefully the current is emitted. The volts, alone, don't have any physical effect on you, so you labelling them harmless in the way that you're doing sounds just silly. The amps are what technically kill you, yes, I never denied that, but the voltage is fully proportional with the intensity of the current emitted, and in a million volt stun gun, the intensity can easily kill someone if targeted at an organ such as the heart.No, they can't kill even "aimed at the heart," because volts aren't what kills.
Apparently you failed to read through my post carefully. Voltage determines the intensity of the current. They're directly proportional, the higher the voltage, the more intense the current, which does kill you.
Non lethal? No, lethal. Not as lethal, but if targeted at the heart or something, it would eventually kill you if continuously released.Either way, none of this changes the fact that you committed a fallacy by trying to downplay the lethality of a million volts by using the low price of such a stun gun.
They cannot kill, period. They have done numerous studies of the devices effects, and even when they probes are placed so that the heart is directly between the probes, feeling thew full brunt of the discharge there is no change in the hearts rhythm. Taser International has been sued hundreds of times for "causing deaths," and they have never lost one of these cases, because no evidence supports the assertion that tasers kill. Stun guns are even l;ess harmful than tasers, because they operate on local muscle mass, they don't incapacitate the central nervous system. They sure as hell cannot kill.
Which is exactly why there are numerous cases of them actually causing deaths, right?
I am Taser International certified to operate the X 26 device, I had to go through a long training program, and I've had one used on me. Try not to argue with a pro noobaris, you'll just look even sillier.
LOL, yeah, because it's a common known fact that people never lie on the intranet. Please, you just saying that you're a pro doesn't make you one, and if that were even the case, it doesn't mean you can't be wrong, and it still doesn't change the fact that you're not reading through my posts properly, and that you committed a logical fallacy by bringing up the irrelevant price of a stun gun to undermine the intensity of the lightning. Now post a credible source or drop the point.
Originally posted by Darth Sexy
If by dominate you mean end up getting pwned and having to use the force to defeat Kas'im, you are currently.
No, that would be when Kas'im had an extreme advantage against Bane, in the form of his mastery of all 7 forms of the alien [to Bane] dual sabers, with which Kas'im was stated to be able to perform millions of different combinations that Bane had never seen before.
Now if you actually knew how to read, you would have seen that I was referring to when they were on equal footing, where Bane was actually able to completely overwhelm him.
Furthermore, Mace possesses an innate ability that is probably the most useful against a darksider. But you love twisting shit around as usual.
How am I twisting shit around as usual? Did I deny that? No? Good, so stop making shit up then.
Now given that you're making the point, how about validly substantiating the ability?
It clearly didn't make him a lightsaber God when up against the amnesiac darkside driven Quinlan Vos (given how Quinlan was able to show signs of superiority over the Jedi Master, being able to successfully land a kick to his head for instance, and how he was unable to disarm him and was forced to appeal to Quinlan's morality), nor did it prevent him from getting thrown back in the air by a fatigued and relatively poorly trained darksider Asajj Ventress, and getting pushed to the ground by the darksider Sora Bulq. Yet because it granted him the ability to defeat Sidious under suspicious circumstances, it somehow means he'd do the same to a guy who's displayed greater ability than all of the above mentioned, and who happens to possess armour that makes his entire body, with the exception of his face, invincible [for all intents and purposes]?
Lovely reasoning.
The very fact that Mace defeated Sidious tells you Mace>Bane.
Sure it would, if you could prove that:
a) the win was legitimate, and
b) that Sidious > Bane.
Both of which, you can't.
Btw, youhave to prove he studied with a saber for 10 years.
He's shown to spar with and train Zannah in a flashback, as part of her training, both of which would result in Bane working on his own skills. It can be logically concluded that this form of training was a constant routine throughout her ten year of training, given the fact that the lightsaber was Zannah's primary weapon.
Don't tell us what you "logically" think Bane would do to Kas'im because you don't possess any semblance of logic.
Sure thing. I mean the weaker Bane, without orbalisk armour, was only able to overwhelm Kas'im on equal footing, ergo logic according to Dave would dictate that the stronger and nearly physically invincible Bane, rather than being even more dominant against Kas'im in such a situation, would instead get his ass kicked. You truly are the man when it comes to logic, Dave.
Your ridiculous point has been destroyed many times, yet you repeat it.. This is another reason your dumbass is always banned. Stop making up bullshit because it hasn't helped you win a debate thus far.
Right, because Ad Hominem has always been a valid counter argument. Dave for the win! 👆
From what we know, Mace's shatterpoint and Vaapad were enough to down Sidious, and they will be enough to down Bane.
Sure it would, if you could prove that:
a) the win was legitimate, and
b) that Sidious > Bane.
Both of which, you can't.
Originally posted by OmegaSupreme
No, that would be when Kas'im had an extreme advantage against Bane, in the form of his mastery of all 7 forms of the alien [to Bane] dual sabers, with which Kas'im was stated to be able to perform millions of different combinations that Bane had never seen before.
Now if you actually knew how to read, you would have seen that I was referring to when they were on equal footing, where Bane was actually able to completely overwhelm him.
It clearly didn't make him a lightsaber God when up against the amnesiac darkside driven Quinlan Vos (given how Quinlan was able to show signs of superiority over the Jedi Master, being able to successfully land a kick to his head for instance, and how he was unable to disarm him and was forced to appeal to Quinlan's morality), nor did it prevent him from getting thrown back in the air by a fatigued and relatively poorly trained darksider Asajj Ventress, and getting pushed to the ground by the darksider Sora Bulq. Yet because it granted him the ability to defeat Sidious under suspicious circumstances, it somehow means he'd do the same to a guy who's displayed greater ability than all of the above mentioned, and who happens to possess armour that makes his entire body, with the exception of his face, invincible [for all intents and purposes]?
Lovely reasoning.
Sure it would, if you could prove that:a) the win was legitimate, and
b) that Sidious > Bane.
Both of which, you can't.
A. Don't have to. GL did it for us when he said Mace overpowered Sidious. You know this and playing stupid makes you look ridiculous.
B. Don't have to. We have various sources (of which you are familiar with), that make Sidious #1 in Bane's lineage, then the entire order of the sith. The burden of proof is on you to prove Bane is superior to Sidious since facts state otherwise, and you can't. You lose.
He's shown to spar with and train Zannah in a flashback, as part of her training, both of which would result in Bane working on his own skills. It can be logically concluded that this form of training was a constant routine throughout her ten year of training, given the fact that the lightsaber was Zannah's primary weapon.
Sure thing. I mean the weaker Bane, without orbalisk armour, was only able to overwhelm Kas'im on equal footing, ergo logic according to Dave would dictate that the stronger and nearly physically invincible Bane, rather than being even more dominant against Kas'im in such a situation, would instead get his ass kicked. You truly are the man when it comes to logic, Dave.
Right, because Ad Hominem has always been a valid counter argument. Dave for the win! 👆
Originally posted by Darth Exodus
Are your pathetic attempts at wit meant to impress me?Bane is infinitely more impressive with the Force and is easily Mace's equal or superior with so he wins.
You'd have to prove it.. ONce again
Mace defeated Sidious
Sidious>Bane (Yes argue with canon please).
Mace>Bane in saber combat.
Apparently you failed to read through my post carefully. Voltage determines the intensity of the current. They're directly proportional, the higher the voltage, the more intense the current, which does kill you.
No, they are not proportional in any way, shape or form. A 125 volt wall socket has 15-20 amps, a 50,000 volt Taser has .002 amps. I know you like looking stupid noobaris, but arguing with someone who is an actual professional? Come on.
Which is exactly why there are numerous cases of them actually causing deaths, right?
There are 0 cases of them causing deaths. That's why Taser International has never lost a single one of the hundreds of law suits against them, because no evidence anywhere suggests a Taser was a cause of death.
LOL, yeah, because it's a common known fact that people never lie on the intranet. Please, you just saying that you're a pro doesn't make you one, and if that were even the case, it doesn't mean you can't be wrong, and it still doesn't change the fact that you're not reading through my posts properly, and that you committed a logical fallacy by bringing up the irrelevant price of a stun gun to undermine the intensity of the lightning. Now post a credible source or drop the point.
I am a pro, I carry a Taser 5 days a week, and its not that I'm reading your posts improperly, its that you're doing nothing but posting uneducated idiocy. Please, stop being stupid for once in your miserable life.
Originally posted by fascistcrusader
There are 0 cases of them causing deaths. That's why Taser International has never lost a single one of the hundreds of law suits against them, because no evidence anywhere suggests a Taser was a cause of death.
Actually according to a U.N. committee Taser electronic stun guns are a form of torture that can kill, a UN committee said on Friday [November 23, 2007] after several recent deaths in North America."The use of these weapons causes acute pain, constituting a form of torture," the UN's Committee against Torture said.
http://abbink.blogspot.com/2007/11/un-committee-taser-guns-torture-and.html
http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,22814674-5001028,00.html?from=public_rss
It is also worth noting that the taser companies say other factors contribute to the death of the people not the taser itself.
Thats an extremely biased blog, and the U.N. isn't very credible with things like this. Notice how they don't cite any doctors reports or coroners findings. Also notice how the study was done by "human rights experts," not cardiologists, not people who have worked with the device for a long time, not coroners, not even general medicine doctors.
They have never shown a Taser to be a medical cause of death, no coroner has ever rules the use of a taser to have killed. Just because you were tased before you died doesn't mean that caused it.
Originally posted by fascistcrusader
Apparently you failed to read through my post carefully. Voltage determines the intensity of the current. They're directly proportional, the higher the voltage, the more intense the current, which does kill you.No, they are not proportional in any way, shape or form. A 125 volt wall socket has 15-20 amps, a 50,000 volt Taser has .002 amps.
The key words in CAPLOCKS and bold font for the ten year olds of the forum:
Voltage determines the INTENSITY of the current. They're directly proportional, the higher the voltage, the more INTENSE the current, which does kill you.
I know you like looking stupid noobaris, but arguing with someone who is an actual professional? Come on.
LOL. So having a license to carry a taser makes you an expert on physics? Don't get ahead of yourself there, you've received training in how to use tasers, you're not the electricity man.
Which is exactly why there are numerous cases of them actually causing deaths, right?There are 0 cases of them causing deaths.
See Darth Hord. You're also ignoring the black market tasers that emit current continuously rather than in pulses, and which are far more dangerous.
That's why Taser International has never lost a single one of the hundreds of law suits against them, because no evidence anywhere suggests a Taser was a cause of death.
Clearly you're unaware of how easy it is to manipulate the law in such a way, and default on the fact that there's no undeniable proof that the Tasers they produce are actually the causes of the involved deaths. Doesn't change the fact that there wouldn't realistically be such a high number of cases if there wasn't something there, and it still doesn' change the fact that you're ignoring the black market tasers that continuously emit current, which are the ones I was really referring to.
LOL, yeah, because it's a common known fact that people never lie on the intranet. Please, you just saying that you're a pro doesn't make you one, and if that were even the case, it doesn't mean you can't be wrong, and it still doesn't change the fact that you're not reading through my posts properly, and that you committed a logical fallacy by bringing up the irrelevant price of a stun gun to undermine the intensity of the lightning. Now post a credible source or drop the point.I am a pro, I carry a Taser 5 days a week,
I am Jack Cover, and I invented the taser. Fun, isn't it?
and its not that I'm reading your posts improperly,
The Man: Voltage determines the INTENSITY of the current. They're directly proportional, the higher the voltage, the more INTENSE the current, which does kill you.
The Wanabee Electrician: No, they are not proportional in any way, shape or form. A 125 volt wall socket has 15-20 amps, a 50,000 volt Taser has .002 amps.
That's what you'd call some major improper readage of posts.
its that you're doing nothing but posting uneducated idiocy. Please, stop being stupid for once in your miserable life.
Yeah, because I'm the one who originally derailed the thread with an appeal to ridicule fallacy. Right. Your argument only stands when ignoring the illegal continuous current emission tasers, which are far more lethal than regular tasers.
Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Try again Noobaris. Kas'im taught Bane everything he knows. He used his force mastery as well, to gain the advantage. Once Kas'im threw something at Bane that Bane DIDN'T know, he was pwned.
Did I deny any of that? Quit your babbling.
Good for you Noobaris. Unfortunately, that was for only part of the fight.
The part of their fight that was on even footing, and the only part where a comparison can be drawn between the two comparisons in respect to their overall ability.
Suspicious my ass Noobaris. GL said that Mace overpowered him. I know you love arguing with facts so I'm waiting.
And? How is this supposed to counter anything I just said? You can overpower someone who's not utilising their full power, which is what you have to prove the opposite of for your argument to remain standing, which you can't do.
I would say the same about the one who's never won a debate.A. Don't have to. GL did it for us when he said Mace overpowered Sidious. You know this and playing stupid makes you look ridiculous.
And? How is this supposed to counter anything I just said? You can overpower someone who's not utilising their full power, which is what you have to prove the opposite of for your argument to remain standing, which you can't do.
B. Don't have to. We have various sources (of which you are familiar with), that make Sidious #1 in Bane's lineage, then the entire order of the sith.
Not one source of which the statement is question has been completely conclusive, and been presented from an infallible source.
The burden of proof is on you to prove Bane is superior to Sidious since facts state otherwise, and you can't. You lose.
No. You made the point, and you've yet to prove up, ergo the BoP is still on you.
Because he sparred with Zannah, it can be "logically" concluded that it was a constant routine? Weird, 10 years later we see Zannah on missions trying to stir up the republic while Bane was sitting back on Ambria. Guess he was sparring with a ghost partner.
As in it wasn't a one time thing, but a constant part of her training.
Stronger? Physically.
No, not just physically. He possessed greater refinement of the force, more experience with the lightsaber, and the physical and force related enhancements of the orbalisks, as well as enhancements of his natural human senses and energy levels.
Nearly Invincible? Hardly.
Not exactly a valid counter argument there Dave. It's directly stated, in Ro2, to be "virtually indestructible," and lightning is it's only known weakness. The blade of a lightsaber is completely worthless against it, ergo, in a battle with Mace (the only way he can tangibly attack bane is with his lightsaber, or with TK, that we know of), for all intents and purposes, it is completely indestructible.
Sorry Noobaris but you just create more comedy when you add nonsense to the post (always). Nothing suggests Bane's lightsaber skills have improved greatly.
Everything suggests it, not to mention it's the protection provided by the armour that makes the real difference.
Give Kas'im two blades and he'd pwn Bane again.
Irrelevant misdirection. It's not an advantage that Mace would have over Bane.
Also, what you'd call an unsupported assumption. Bane's orbalisk armour, plus his general increase in ability could easily be enough to compensate for his lack of knowledge of Kas'im's style, so it's hardly cut and dry.
And when it comes to logic Noobaris, I may not be Escape or Advent, but you're the one with a 0 in the win column..
Please. I'd rate the guy who fancies himself an expert on lightning above you. You're probably the worst on this entire forum that actually thinks he's good, and I'm actually speaking the truth.
You wouldn't know what an Ad Hominem was if it came up to you and asked you for sex. For me to commit such a fallacy, you would have to provide a logical argument. You haven't, so it's a factual insult. Try again.
Erm, no. It's a logical fallacy regardless of who or what it's directed at. Know what you're talking about.