Lucifer vs *insert Marvel character*

Originally posted by Mr Master
In Marvel there are different levels of "infinity"
so it's not surprising those beings are "omnipotent"
because they can all alter time/space/matter (reality itself) to a certain degree.

Vangaard's purpose is to literally erase any Universe in the Omniverse he deems redundant.
(1,000,000+ realities and counting)

Maker/Beyonder is a Universal creator/manipluator.
(Maker was weakened and vulnerable due to its mortal form)

BeyonderS (a fraction of their power can re-order all creation)

Eternity (embodiment of the infinite Prime Multiverse)

Vishanti (are "gods" withIN their pocket realms)

Originally posted by Superherovandal
also a better feat than containing God's essence would be having the willpower to go against God's plans. Thanos didn't have the will. He was merely God's puppet. He was just following God's Will. Lucifer however, when faced with merging with Yahweh which was God's purpose for him he chose not to and by doing that went against God's Will. Beating God's Will >>> Thano's feats combined. and it was Lucifer's will that manipulated the demiurgic power of God of Michael. and he did it easily. that is equal to Thano's feat.

Actually, Lucifer was doing exactly what God wanted. God almost despaired because Michael was so reluctant to even question him.

Thanos had the will to contain THOTI- God's power. Read the scan.

Again, Lucifer was doing exactly what God wanted. That was one of the reasons he chose Lucifer to take his place at the Primium Mobile (one can also say to spite him since he knew that Lucifer did not want that). So saying Lucifer beat God's will is laughable. I guess you missed the part where God left creation for some randomness to happen. He gave up his omniscience because, as he said, "flexibility was the last thing he learned."

Convincing Michael to go to the void and release his power there is nowhere near as impressive as Thanos HOTI feats.

Originally posted by kevdude
YHWH = The Presence, they are the same. He has will equal to God yes but God can erase him like nothing, for Lucifer is a created being while God was not, he is infinite, eternal. He knows what Luci will do, the only way Lucifer got out of the great plan was for him to leave at that point in time when God left and he left to chance some randomness to the plan and Lucifer took advantage of it and left. Lucifer even says he don't know why God gave him the letter of passage to leave, but 'He' already knows why he gave it to him, which perplexed even Lucifer.

How ya been?

Originally posted by Air Legend
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Didn't see this post.

How ya been?

Not bad you? Also going to the void and releasing the power is greater then HOTI feats. Lucifer stood there and took it like nothing, Michael died and returned with all of God's power returned to him which would have destroyed pretty much everything. HOTI power was used up while remaking the MU something Michael could do and still be at full power.

Originally posted by kevdude

Michael died and returned with all of God's power returned to him
which would have destroyed pretty much everything.

Originally posted by kevdude
HOTI power was used up while remaking the MU something

THOTI wasn't "used up" ... it was destroyed by Thanos.

Originally posted by kevdude
YHWH = The Presence, they are the same. He has will equal to God yes but God can erase him like nothing, for Lucifer is a created being while God was not, he is infinite, eternal. He knows what Luci will do, the only way Lucifer got out of the great plan was for him to leave at that point in time when God left and he left to chance some randomness to the plan and Lucifer took advantage of it and left. Lucifer even says he don't know why God gave him the letter of passage to leave, but 'He' already knows why he gave it to him, which perplexed even Lucifer.

Originally posted by Superherovandal
Yahweh is not the presence were it true then Elaine wouild be the God Of DCU.

They are the same being, that is very clear in Sandman and Lucifer's own comic, as with a few times he's mentioned in the DC Universe comics. A few times they call him "The Name" as no other name is above his and its to holy to say out loud so angels usually say "The Presence" when referring to God.

Its hard to say how much in Lucifer DC will make canon until they tell us, until The Spectre says The Presence has left I pretty sure they will leave that part of Lucifer out of DC, along with Elaine.

I know that he doesnt match Lucifer in brains but the hulk

Originally posted by cloud67
I know that he doesnt match Lucifer in brains but the hulk

Originally posted by Mr Master
I have to disagree friend.

Thanos chose to take the Heart,
Thanos chose to erase all of Time/Space in Marvel,
Thanos chose to re-create Marvel.

He was never forced to do anything,
he had free-will through out the entire story.

Thanos chose what the Toaa wanted, because otherwise,
he would've ruled over a Void:

Who wants to rule over nothing?

Lucy's decision wasn't anywhere near as grave as Thanos'.

Thanos's decision concerned ALL of Marvel,
not his personal gratification of merging/ or not with "god"

Originally posted by Superherovandal
why couldn't he? The HOTU is HIS power isn't it.

Originally posted by Superherovandal
also a better feat than containing God's essence would be having the willpower to go against God's plans. Thanos didn't have the will. He was merely God's puppet. He was just following God's Will. Lucifer however, when faced with merging with Yahweh which was God's purpose for him he chose not to and by doing that went against God's Will. Beating God's Will >>> Thano's feats combined. and it was Lucifer's will that manipulated the demiurgic power of God of Michael. and he did it easily. that is equal to Thano's feat.

Originally posted by Air Legend
Actually, Lucifer was doing exactly what God wanted. God almost [B]despaired because Michael was so reluctant to even question him.

Thanos had the will to contain THOTI- God's power. Read the scan.

Again, Lucifer was doing exactly what God wanted. That was one of the reasons he chose Lucifer to take his place at the Primium Mobile (one can also say to spite him since he knew that Lucifer did not want that). So saying Lucifer beat God's will is laughable. I guess you missed the part where God left creation for some randomness to happen. He gave up his omniscience because, as he said, "flexibility was the last thing he learned."

Convincing Michael to go to the void and release his power there is nowhere near as impressive as Thanos HOTI feats. [/B]

Originally posted by Mr Master
Btw. Akhenaten didn't merge with THOTI ...
he was only tapping a fraction of its energy.

And yet yea, it took him millennias to adapt.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Best feats I have ever seen in comics.

What about She-hulk ripping pages and threatening the writers/artists ?

Originally posted by Inhuman
What about She-hulk ripping pages and threatening the writers/artists ?

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
That would only be a good feat for Mxy...

lul'z jr_hmm01

Originally posted by Mindset
I know that.

He still wouldn't break Doom's will.

Infinite will vs Human will.

Doom snaps first.

Originally posted by tjcoady
You guys clearly haven't read Marlowe or Goethe.

Faust never tricked the Devil; he was redeemed by the purity and grace of God. The stories an insidious and rather aggravating attack on the capabilities of human reason.

Anyways, why are we all acting like it's IMPOSSIBLE to beat Lucifer? There were some special circumstances (IE, they had his wings already to infect them) but he was taken down by the Chinese Gods and the Basanos. He would have lost if it had not been for the outside, unexpected, and unwittingly given help of Elaine. In addition, Fenris the Wolf nearly killed him. He's not omnipotent.

So it would require a being of incredible power that can predict the future and eliminate all possible causalities, the embodiment of Destruction (I always wondered about how that meshed with Destruction of the Endless- was Fenris an aspect of him?) and an entire pantheon with prep time. But still, beings other than Micheal, TOAA, or the Presence could take him down.

He killed Fenris...

Originally posted by quanchi112
His will is infinite yet his fathers will is infinite as well,correct? 😕

Name me a being that has a stonger will than Thanos from marvel?

Adam Warlock.