so you have proof his eye lenses are stronger and will not be equelly effected by light blast?
but how, ime sure this was created to debate, otherwise the way its gone so far its a poll, so i suppose you coud have one added if you ask a moderator
please debate this, why what are they going to do, whats team 1 going to do to team 2 specifically? what sort of attacks? Raziel has nifty tricks on team 2, loads of them, and Ryu is apprently covered in attacks
Originally posted by Burning thought
obviously not ordinairy, but their human? Akuma is at least on the verge of it, do any of them have more resistence to being blinded by a great flash of light than the averge man that can be proven? its irrelevent anyway because they wont be able ot see razielwell thinking is all very well, but i dont think any of them can do anything to Raziel, his wraith blade will tear out the souls that have souls and if apprently this "lifestream" BS which i think is simply FF term for soul but there ya go, cant prove it...will just kill sephiroth with a wraith blade in his head
Too bad Raziel can only take out souls when the enemy is on the verge of death, Razel with a wraith blade in Sephiroth? Lolz, Raziel is like the slowest character in here
Originally posted by Terryc250
Too bad Raziel can only take out souls when the enemy is on the verge of death, Razel with a wraith blade in Sephiroth? Lolz, Raziel is like the slowest character in here
also the most stealthy, the one with TK which used with stealth means he can turn speed to nothing and be the first one to do it, and yeh, the reaver in your stomach makes you pretty much more on the verge of death, and yeh whats sephiroth going to do? lawl at him, while hes distracted fighting the other two, he finds theres the blade in his head and his head would explode, end off, or in his stomach, its a wraith blade so its not going to be stopped by his body and the thing explodes when it hits things, sephiroth would be ended
do you have a non in-game moment when raziel has to w8 for someone to be on the verge of death? as shown in SR 1 and 2 a wraithblade on raged turns you to dust and thats the normal one, the purified blade with the power of all the balance guardians inside it turns you to ash with a strike, so all this "verge of death" is not going to happen, theyll die in a few strikes
then the other 2 shouldnt be too difficult with a combintion of TK, stealth and elemental attacks
Originally posted by Burning thought
so you have proof his eye lenses are stronger and will not be equelly effected by light blast?but how, ime sure this was created to debate, otherwise the way its gone so far its a poll, so i suppose you coud have one added if you ask a moderator
please debate this, [B]why
what are they going to do, whats team 1 going to do to team 2 specifically? what sort of attacks? Raziel has nifty tricks on team 2, loads of them, and Ryu is apprently covered in attacks [/B]
The reason a light would blind you is because your muscles and other parts of your eye would not be able to suffer the strain.
All 3 of those are beyond human limits so it's a long shot to assume a little green flash is gonig to blind them.
Give list and details of Raziel feats in battle, otherwise i'm inclined to think he's the most pathetic guy in it.
Zacks Blade beam(extremely similiar to clouds) has done nothing more than cut on the surface of the ground for around 10 to 15 yards before fading out. And its not that very fast. Hadokens have been seen and known to level sides of buildings and punch holes into walls. So far Ryubusa chi blast has been seen to do just that aswell. But more instantly disintergrating battle ships on contact. So Sephiroth is not swatting that away. he would get instantly vaporized aswell.
None of team one is going to take on Ryu busa with ease on one one. team 1 will instantly get out matched and loutmaned from Ryubusa Art of the spirit Clone. Fighting Immortal Copies of Ryu hayabusa. Turning this into a 5 on 3 fight. Non only this but two out of three of Team 2 has soul sucking capabilities as well can go intangible. Akuma would not even get close to Ryu hayabusa to go hand to hand and he sure isnt hitting Ryu with any long range attacks with his speed. Why you ask. Because he would get burned with Art of the Fire Wheel. If any of them get close. Art of the Hurricane and watch them get stread to peices limps and grits getting slung all over the place. Ryu is not getting outclassed by anyone in a fight one on one here. Supernatural cheap powers are needed to fight Ryu and none of team one has them. Also 2 of three of Team 2 has the ability to go intangible
Team 1 doesnt really compare to team 2 that much.
Originally posted by Csdabest
Zacks Blade beam(extremely similiar to clouds) has done nothing more than cut on the surface of the ground for around 10 to 15 yards before fading out. And its not that very fast. Hadokens have been seen and known to level sides of buildings and punch holes into walls. So far Ryubusa chi blast has been seen to do just that aswell. But more instantly disintergrating battle ships on contact. So Sephiroth is not swatting that away. he would get instantly vaporized aswell.
Blade beam at 2:30, look how big the explosion is
YouTube video
The WEAKEST version of Sephiroth, swatted away blade beam like nothing, AC Sephiroth is many times stronger.
do you have a non in-game moment when raziel has to w8 for someone to be on the verge of death? as shown in SR 1 and 2 a wraithblade on raged turns you to dust and thats the normal one, the purified blade with the power of all the balance guardians inside it turns you to ash with a strike, so all this "verge of death" is not going to happen, theyll die in a few strikes
Do you have a non-ingame moment where raziel does it to fully healthy opponents? Having gameplay is better then having nothing, not EVERYTHING in gameplay is BS, most of it works how it normally works.
I dont even know why you mention Raziels TK, its just a far away push.
um no explosion. that was mostly the dirt kicked um from Loz shockwave. Cloud blade beam merely stop it.
and u realize that the blade beam sephiroth swatted was one of the weakest right lol.
Yes Sephiroth is more powerful than he was back then. He did good stomping a blade beam that was basicly ment to cut into something. By he is not doing it with a Beam or ball that dicintergrates giant objects on contact.
Sephiroth didnt do it in the AC movie when fighting cloud. Cloud shot a blade beam at him and sephiroth dodged it. Know why because he would of got messed up from it. Mostlikly killed or severly injured from it.
Oh yeah. news flash Zack fighting Sephiroth in Last order. Where he swiped the blade beam away like its nothing. Is not cannon anymore. So all feats in the fight are void. Not like they prove much anyways
How do you know that it was "one of the weakest?" there was an explosion from Clouds beam blade and you even said yourself that theyre extremely similar, also that was a weaker diseased Cloud that fired that.
Cloud never fired a blade beam at Sephiroth, he took a chop at Sephiroth with his sword and missed, the sword impact and the ground made a beam-line, Cloud never charged a blade beam and fired it at Sephiroth, like against Loz/Yazoo.
Seeing as powerful Sephiroth is suppose to be, i highly doubt a beam blade would injure him, only the PIS move Omnislash would.
Also where did u get that Last Order isnt canon anymore? Just wondering.
Anyway, Sephiroth would beat Ryu even fast then Chaos Vincent would.
Originally posted by EvilAngel
The reason a light would blind you is because your muscles and other parts of your eye would not be able to suffer the strain.All 3 of those are beyond human limits so it's a long shot to assume a little green flash is gonig to blind them.
Give list and details of Raziel feats in battle, otherwise i'm inclined to think he's the most pathetic guy in it.
a little green light? wheres this coming from? little green? what about large yellow flash? do you even know who Raziel is lol....thats Rhetoricle ime quite sure you do, however the way you said that is funny
most pathetic when he could 1 hit most without them even knowing, lawls...ill give you his powers, what do you mean feats? he uses his powers
http://www.dark-chronicle.co.uk/sr1/glyphs.php
http://www.dark-chronicle.co.uk/sr2/reavers.php
http://www.dark-chronicle.co.uk/def/attackraz.php
http://www.dark-chronicle.co.uk/def/reaverraz.php
what do the other guys have that can give them a hope? Sephiroths long cast times on spells? Akumas incredible island sinking punch....
Originally posted by Terryc250
Do you have a non-ingame moment where raziel does it to fully healthy opponents? Having gameplay is better then having nothing, not EVERYTHING in gameplay is BS, most of it works how it normally works.
I dont even know why you mention Raziels TK, its just a far away push.
it is if you think about it logically, what possible resistence can someone do if your ripping out their souls? their souls dont fight back, if Raziel simply waved his soul devouring reaver through you, logically it would take the soul out, but ofc logic escapes you "shrug"
not if gameplay is illogical to the power of the moves that have been stated, for example kain takes more than one slash with the blood reaver to kill a man, then a few minutes later with claws alone slashes through tonnes of conrete blocks and in the ending i showed you, slashes point first through the rock without stopping, the LOK games are full of gameplay, even BO 2 kain, the weakest can put his hand through a armoured knights chest taking his heart and dropping it on the other side
learn about Raziel, its not a far away push...lawls, its almost ridiculous debating with someone who has not the slightest knowledge on the characters, at least i know a couple of things on sephiroth and FF characters, your knowledge on LOK is shambles
Originally posted by Terryc250Seeing as powerful Sephiroth is suppose to be, i highly doubt a beam blade would injure him, only the PIS move Omnislash would.
Originally posted by Burning thought
a little green light? wheres this coming from? little green? what about large yellow flash? do you even know who Raziel is lol....thats Rhetoricle ime quite sure you do, however the way you said that is funnymost pathetic when he could 1 hit most without them even knowing, lawls...ill give you his powers, what do you mean feats? he uses his powers
http://www.dark-chronicle.co.uk/sr1/glyphs.php
http://www.dark-chronicle.co.uk/sr2/reavers.php
http://www.dark-chronicle.co.uk/def/attackraz.php
http://www.dark-chronicle.co.uk/def/reaverraz.php
I'm confused.
You're talking as though various revers is supposed to be impressive. One of his most powerful reavers causes an AoE fire.... seriously, my assumption of Raziel being the weakest was dead one. I bet Lu Bu could probably kill him 😐
When i say Feats, i might say:
Lu Bu killed 1000 men on his Own
or
Sephiroth was always known to be the best in the FFVII verse
or
Ryu slices a jet in half
Something that says "wow" about the character. All i know about Raziel is that he has little difficulty in slicing up some low level flunkies.
As it stands, Raziel seems boring, weak, and slow.
Currently here's my opinoin on this fight.
Sephiroth Battles Ryu
Orochi squashes Lu Bu
Akuma one shots Raziel
All 3 team on Ryu
Originally posted by EvilAngel
I'm confused.You're talking as though various revers is supposed to be impressive. One of his most powerful reavers causes an AoE fire.... seriously, my assumption of Raziel being the weakest was dead one. I bet Lu Bu could probably kill him 😐
When i say Feats, i might say:
Lu Bu killed 1000 men on his Own
or
Sephiroth was always known to be the best in the FFVII verse
or
Ryu slices a jet in halfSomething that says "wow" about the character. All i know about Raziel is that he has little difficulty in slicing up some low level flunkies.
As it stands, Raziel seems boring, weak, and slow.
Currently here's my opinoin on this fight.
Sephiroth Battles Ryu
Orochi squashes Lu Bu
Akuma one shots RazielAll 3 team on Ryu
the various reavers have some nifty powers, cant you see where it says freezes? what if Raziel freezes all 3 team 1 opponents? then what? Ryu cheap shots them all or raziel takes their souls, theres nothing they could do.....also light reaver blinds ,whats the resistence these characters have to that? none.....just as i thought
so w8 a min, Akuma one shots someone he cant see? who could possible blind him, who could possibly from his invisiblity TK hold him in the air, and whos reaver could simply take his soul by waving it through him...lawls, you see thats what i cal ridiculous, people who dont have a clue on the character say something like "akuma one shots raziel"
your looking for destructive feats, Raziel defeated several vampires who would probably destroy all 3 of these by themselves, Turel would let out a sonic blast and knock them to the floor until their bodies cant take it any more and they die
and how is Sephiroth being best in FF verse a feat, sounds more of a statement, i thought feats were actions? meh okie if their statements then Raziel is immortal as kain is.....can swallow souls which is basically instant kill for 2 that have souls, and imo 3 since lifestream=fancy word for soul imo
just because the Warlock and mage can together call upon powers of death, elemental magics and teleportion, does not mean the shadowy rogue cannot sneak behind and completly devastate them..Raziels the rogue, those 3 represent clothies
Originally posted by Burning thought
the various reavers have some nifty powers, cant you see where it says freezes? what if Raziel freezes all 3 team 1 opponents? then what? Ryu cheap shots them all or raziel takes their souls, theres nothing they could do.....also light reaver blinds ,whats the resistence these characters have to that? none.....just as i thoughtso w8 a min, Akuma one shots someone he cant see? who could possible blind him, who could possibly from his invisiblity TK hold him in the air, and whos reaver could simply take his soul by waving it through him...lawls, you see thats what i cal ridiculous, people who dont have a clue on the character say something like "akuma one shots raziel"
your looking for destructive feats, Raziel defeated several vampires who would probably destroy all 3 of these by themselves, Turel would let out a sonic blast and knock them to the floor until their bodies cant take it any more and they die
They'd have to be standing close together, which is what i call stupid 😬
Akuma can sense some kind of energy that all people have apparently. Though that is beside the point, i said in eariler post i'm debating assuming Raziel is Visible.
I'm going to make a Raziel vs Ganondorf thread, and give Ganondorf a gem of true seeing*. And I'm not going to turn off Ganondorf invunerability. You'll enter the thread, maybe try to fight your corner, then realise how stupid and pointless it is to keep the annoying thigns like that in a thread. But since i'm feeling particularly lazy on this weekend day, maybe we could skip the whole thread creating part?
Tell me more, and if he killed them all because he was invisible, don't even bother
*Warcraft item, allows to wielder to see all things in his normal sight range, be them material, spiritual, or cloaked
Originally posted by EvilAngel
They'd have to be standing close together, which is what i call stupid 😬Akuma can sense some kind of energy that all people have apparently. Though that is beside the point, i said in eariler post i'm debating assuming Raziel is Visible.
I'm going to make a Raziel vs Ganondorf thread, and give Ganondorf a gem of true seeing*. And I'm not going to turn off Ganondorf invunerability. You'll enter the thread, maybe try to fight your corner, then realise how stupid and pointless it is to keep the annoying thigns like that in a thread. But since i'm feeling particularly lazy on this weekend day, maybe we could skip the whole thread creating part?
Tell me more, and if he killed them all because he was invisible, don't even bother
*Warcraft item, allows to wielder to see all things in his normal sight range, be them material, spiritual, or cloaked
well i was talking potensially, if they were only a few meteres away from raz, but he could freeze one of them, he could TK another, Raziel has a lot of powers he can line up to incappacitate Team 1 and thats just Raziel, Ryu seems to be the power and has his own
what so Raziel cant be invisible because he will smoke them? thats a ridiculous thing to say, okie lets reduce all the Team 1 characters to human strength level and speed, also Raziel is not neccerily slow, he is agile and his body structure allows for more agility than the regular being and ofc, he is far far faster than a human, he can keep up with kain, but i dont see how raziel should be forced to fight opponents who are faster than him, without his own special abilities, technically he could just shackle the fastest character and then destroy them with the reaver
it seems unfair to take away one guys powers and not anothers
Raziel could beat Ganon, i dont think ganon seems as fast as the average Nosgothian vampire, is he even as quick as a human since Link can outclass him but "shrug" Ganons invulerability will not stop raziel from winning through freezing/Telekinetic powers
fights against kain and Raziel are won through speed, because neither are not really supersonic fighters, altho kain could technically be
Originally posted by Burning thought
well i was talking potensially, if they were only a few meteres away from raz, but he could freeze one of them, he could TK another, Raziel has a lot of powers he can line up to incappacitate Team 1 and thats just Raziel, Ryu seems to be the power and has his ownwhat so Raziel cant be invisible because he will smoke them? thats a ridiculous thing to say, okie lets reduce all the Team 1 characters to human strength level and speed, also Raziel is not neccerily slow, he is agile and his body structure allows for more agility than the regular being and ofc, he is far far faster than a human, he can keep up with kain, but i dont see how raziel should be forced to fight opponents who are faster than him, without his own special abilities, technically he could just shackle the fastest character and then destroy them with the reaver
it seems unfair to take away one guys powers and not anothers
Raziel could beat Ganon, i dont think ganon seems as fast as the average Nosgothian vampire, is he even as quick as a human since Link can outclass him but "shrug" Ganons invulerability will not stop raziel from winning through freezing/Telekinetic powers
fights against kain and Raziel are won through speed, because neither are not really supersonic fighters, altho kain could technically be
If he was fast enough. He can't TK lock Sephiroth becaue he has his own TK powers, whose feats i'm surely probably over do Raziels
Akuma, maybe, be i don't see what stops Akuma speed blitzing Raziel honestly.
Orochi, limited knowledge, though if he's part God, i doubt it.
No, because it's a power that makes this completely one sided. Except for Akuma, which by the way you didn't counter. Apparently he can sense an energy Raziel will give off....
Now you know how V2D feels in most energy Ganon vs thread.
I will make that thread, and no, not here, i don't have a concept of this "mercy" business, I'm make it on Avengers thread, where V2D will have full access to it.... I'm just that evil.
Akuma and Sephiroth appaear to be much faster 😐
Originally posted by Terryc250
Also where did u get that Last Order isnt canon anymore? Just wondering.
Zack's scape from Nibelheim in LO is still canon, but the Nibelheim incident was retconed by CC.
But Zack and Sephiroth are stronger in the game than in the OVA, and their fight is more impressive.
Anyway, Sephiroth would beat Ryu even fast then Chaos Vincent would.
Yes, he would.
And about defending himself of energy attacks like the Hadouken... Intangibility FTW!
Originally posted by EvilAngel
If he was fast enough. He can't TK lock Sephiroth becaue he has his own TK powers, whose feats i'm surely probably over do RazielsAkuma, maybe, be i don't see what stops Akuma speed blitzing Raziel honestly.
Orochi, limited knowledge, though if he's part God, i doubt it.
No, because it's a power that makes this completely one sided. Except for Akuma, which by the way you didn't counter. Apparently he can sense an energy Raziel will give off....
Now you know how V2D feels in most energy Ganon vs thread.
I will make that thread, and no, not here, i don't have a concept of this "mercy" business, I'm make it on Avengers thread, where V2D will have full access to it.... I'm just that evil.
Akuma and Sephiroth appaear to be much faster 😐
show me the logic of this please, just because sephiroth has TK, he cant be Tked? doesnt work like that.....Kain has TK but Raziel can TK him....whats your logic behind that argument? also its not called Tk is it? when has something been called TK that sephiroth does in FF?
Akuma, but how fast does he go? and why does everyone throw around the term speed blitzing, how fast is Akuma, he would have to be hundreds of times faster to actually blitz
hes a God? i thought you were one of those who knows how much of a title "God" term is...
an energy from a dead guy? Chi isnt it? its a energy source from a completly diffrent verse that at the same time sounds like something a living person would give off, good maybe V2D will be able to debate this thing
who appears much faster? sephiroth? without any feats ime not sure about that, and ive not seen Akuma yet.
Originally posted by Burning thought
show me the logic of this please, just because sephiroth has TK, he cant be Tked? doesnt work like that.....Kain has TK but Raziel can TK him....whats your logic behind that argument? also its not called Tk is it? when has something been called TK that sephiroth does in FF?Akuma, but how fast does he go? and why does everyone throw around the term speed blitzing, how fast is Akuma, he would have to be hundreds of times faster to actually blitz
hes a God? i thought you were one of those who knows how much of a title "God" term is...
an energy from a dead guy? Chi isnt it? its a energy source from a completly diffrent verse that at the same time sounds like something a living person would give off, good maybe V2D will be able to debate this thing
who appears much faster? sephiroth? without any feats ime not sure about that, and ive not seen Akuma yet.
His TK is greater than Sephiroths, I actually got that logic from Pokemon.... but it sounds good so 😐 I dunno is it different? i assumed they were the same, both using mind powers to manipulate your enemy physically....
I'm not sure, someone told me he's seriously fast and i just assumed that to be true, look in the respect thread?
I am, but no matter what word, If you're 'godly' even as a describing word it paints an impressive picture
Chi, or Pi, i can't remember. Apparently everything has it, i really should read his respect thread but, it all sounds so hard.
Originally posted by EvilAngel
His TK is greater than Sephiroths, I actually got that logic from Pokemon.... but it sounds good so 😐 I dunno is it different? i assumed they were the same, both using mind powers to manipulate your enemy physically....I'm not sure, someone told me he's seriously fast and i just assumed that to be true, look in the respect thread?
I am, but no matter what word, If you're 'godly' even as a describing word it paints an impressive picture
Chi, or Pi, i can't remember. Apparently everything has it, i really should read his respect thread but, it all sounds so hard.
two beings having TK does not mean anything, the one who does it first has control, you cant exactley attack a force of the mind, although the overall effect is a physical hold, having TK yourself will not save you
who knows, i find it hard to belive someone dead can have a chi flow but being able to sense something and seeing it is a diffrent matter, if raziel is moving the sensing of Akuma may make him attack the place where Raziel was but if he was moving, it would not hit raziel, he could not neccerily be accurate just by sensing, not as accurate as actually seeing the foe
Originally posted by Burning thought
two beings having TK does not mean anything, the one who does it first has control, you cant exactley attack a force of the mind, although the overall effect is a physical hold, having TK yourself will not save youwho knows, i find it hard to belive someone dead can have a chi flow but being able to sense something and seeing it is a diffrent matter, if raziel is moving the sensing of Akuma may make him attack the place where Raziel was but if he was moving, it would not hit raziel, he could not neccerily be accurate just by sensing, not as accurate as actually seeing the foe
Even in given isntant, Raziel TK hold Sephiorth, Sephiroth TK Holds Raziel, Akuma one shots Raziel
Sight is a sense, do you attack where you saw something a few seconds ago?
Don't confuse it with smell.