Akuma and Orochi and Sephiroth vs Ryu Hayabusa, Lu Bu and Raziel

Originally posted by SHM
Sephiroth never created astral-projections, and he can turn intangible. I was going to use facts and evidences to explain everything to you Csdabest, but after reading you calling me an idiot without any reason, I decided to just ignore you. Sorry, but I don't have the patience right now to exchange childish insults with a troll like you.

If you want to have a civilized conversation with people, don't insult them.

ive not insulted you, please show me the evidence, i am interested in seeing the evidence that Sephiroth can quickly at will can go intangible and possibly back

show me where Sephiroth has TK, and its actually called TK

once again, Terry find out about characters before you debate them, especially when you think Raziel can only push with his TK "shrug"

Originally posted by Burning thought
show me where Sephiroth has TK, and its actually called TK

I Know for a fact you've seen it, so don't go wasting other people's time

Originally posted by Burning thought
ive not insulted you, please show me the evidence, i am interested in seeing the evidence that Sephiroth can quickly at will can go intangible and possibly back

show me where Sephiroth has TK, and its actually called TK

once again, Terry find out about characters before you debate them, especially when you think Raziel can only push with his TK "shrug"

Originally posted by Terryc250
Ive shown you Sephiroth using TK numorous times, i dont know why ur asking for it.. Oh can Raziel pull with his TK as well? My bad..

yeh he can pull, freeze in place and basically the same kind of things sephiroth has done with his will

has it been called TK?

Originally posted by Burning thought
has it been called TK?

Using the power of the mind to make things move, and feel immense pain... and it's NOT TK?

I can't wait to hear the reasoning behind this....

Originally posted by EvilAngel
Using the power of the mind to make things move, and feel immense pain... and it's NOT TK?

I can't wait to hear the reasoning behind this....

it does not neccerily have to be TK, things in FF happen diffrently in other verses, as the creators have said, things happen on sephiroths will alone, if he is using will to effect a beings body then its not the same as using TK which is using the mind to create direct physical effect, however Sephiroth is using will it seems alone, to will something to happen, which in that case would be up to the character he is using it on willpower, it cannot really be TK if hes using it on a energy contruct like Holy

Knock over the top of a giant building with his mind effortlessly?

Lift up 8 ppl and torture them?

Hold back Holy, so it isnt capable of moving?

all done by Sephiroths mind.

What would you call it?

simply willpower as its called in the games

or shall i start calling lifestream souls since thats what i would call it, yet you say i cant, so ill call willpower, willpower, its not stated as TK, its diffrent in the FF fiction since if it was TK, they would call it so. Willpower VS anothers willpower

Do buildings have souls? Do materia have souls? Do trees have souls? Does the dirt have a soul? Does energy have soul? Because those are made up of the lifestream.

So whats the difference between Sephiroths "willpower" and TK?

You're just being picky now

This is gonig to confuse people.

What exactly is different between Sephiroth's will power and TK?

well hell no, not in real life, and not in LOK, but hell...do guys have Jenova cells go flying around the world in real life summoning up a stream where the dead "lifestream" goes? no it does not, if FF fiction has all things with spirits then ime not going to argue with it and technically, what has a soul depends on the belief, i think there are religions that belive there is a soul in everything, including the Earth itself, and in FF, clearly it does

TK would not be worried by willpower of another, wheras it would be Sephiroths willpower VS whoever he was trying to control

Originally posted by Burning thought
TK would not be worried by willpower of another, wheras it would be Sephiroths willpower VS whoever he was trying to control

Just prove that's how it works, and then that'll be fine

Originally posted by EvilAngel
Just prove that's how it works, and then that'll be fine

why should i prove? you prove its TK and thats how it works, it can go either way..since its your character you should be proving how its TK and not anything else, my assumption of what it is, is as good as anyones

only thing is, i have the FF game on my side and the developers simply calling it willpower, nothing to do with Telekinetic forces, simply Sephiroths willpower, no TK spoken off 🙂

Originally posted by Burning thought
why should i prove? you prove its TK and thats how it works, it can go either way..since its your character you should be proving how its TK and not anything else, my assumption of what it is, is as good as anyones

only thing is, i have the FF game on my side and the developers simply calling it willpower, nothing to do with Telekinetic forces, simply Sephiroths willpower, no TK spoken off 🙂

I'm gonig to make you suffer now, go look in the vs forum in Avengers thread.

You just being a wingy little brat now, something hasn't gone your way so you're nitpicking at the smallest of details.

You're arguement fails by definition, TK is using the power of the mind the affect the physical world, etc moving things.

If you are using your mind or if you want to be picky "Willpower" to affect the world physically that is TK.

I was just giving u the difference between "lifestream" and "soul" Lifestream is actually something that you can see and can be used for energy, etc, its different from "soul".

Whereas i dont see any difference between sephiroths "willpower" and "tk" besides the fact that sephiroth willpower can be used in more ways then just moving things.

Originally posted by EvilAngel
I'm gonig to make you suffer now, go look in the vs forum in Avengers thread.

You just being a wingy little brat now, something hasn't gone your way so you're nitpicking at the smallest of details.

You're arguement fails by definition, TK is using the power of the mind the affect the physical world, etc moving things.

If you are using your mind or if you want to be picky "Willpower" to affect the world physically that is TK.

lmao that is making me suffer? sorry sweetie but ime not in pain....

little brat? i think your just failing because TK is not used, its not my fault if TK is not used in FF universe....using power of your mind and simply willing something to happen is diffrent, simply becase against a person, your will VS their will, since its willpower based, TK is not, its simply your mind causing physical effects, not simply willpower alone, the diffrence is tiny, but its important

Originally posted by Terryc250
I was just giving u the difference between "lifestream" and "soul" Lifestream is actually something that you can see and can be used for energy, etc, its different from "soul".

Whereas i dont see any difference between sephiroths "willpower" and "tk" besides the fact that sephiroth willpower can be used in more ways then just moving things.

Raziel can see souls and uses it as energy source to heal his body when wounded, its not that much diffrent from soul and theres so many ways it can be connected mainly with a stream/river (river of souls/river styx etc etc) and the way the conciousness of a person goes to it (like a soul)

Sephiroth is willing something to happen like an effect, any effect, in this case stopping the FF characters and Holy from moving, TK would be a special mind attack that is not using just willpower, but the very purpose of not willing it to happen, but simply causing it to happen through an innnate power

Originally posted by Burning thought
lmao that is making me suffer? sorry sweetie but ime not in pain....

little brat? i think your just failing because TK is not used, its not my fault if TK is not used in FF universe....using power of your mind and simply willing something to happen is diffrent, simply becase against a person, your will VS their will, since its willpower based, TK is not, its simply your mind causing physical effects, not simply willpower alone, the diffrence is tiny, but its important

You're going to be sending post upon posting, against someone who's exactly like you, a stubbon fanaddict 😬 that doesn't bother you at all?? 😐

No, By Definition of the word itself, What Sephiroth does in FF is TK. You Fail

Originally posted by EvilAngel
You're going to be sending post upon posting, against someone who's exactly like you, a stubbon fanaddict 😬 that doesn't bother you at all?? 😐

No, By Definition of the word itself, What Sephiroth does in FF is TK. You Fail

you can call me what you like....your false accusations mean nothing to me ime afraid 🙂

nope, if you cant comprehend something dont try and bash it, hes using will, not innate mind power, hes willing something to happen and it does...diffrence, if someone with an equel will to him fought against his will, he could break and not be able to do his power on them however with direct TK, you cannot unless you break the mind directly of the oppresor

Originally posted by Burning thought
you can call me what you like....your false accusations mean nothing to me ime afraid 🙂

nope, if you cant comprehend something dont try and bash it, hes using will, not innate mind power, hes willing something to happen and it does...diffrence, if someone with an equel will to him fought against his will, he could break and not be able to do his power on them however with direct TK, you cannot unless you break the mind directly of the oppresor

Fine forget my little petname for you

Prove that fact, it's compeltely theorized, and i can't think of i a thing that suggorts such absurd claims, PROVE IT.

Asking me to prove it absurd, as V2D says: I can't prove a Negative

Originally posted by EvilAngel
Fine forget my little petname for you

Prove that fact, it's compeltely theorized, and i can't think of i a thing that suggorts such absurd claims, PROVE IT.

Asking me to prove it absurd, as V2D says: I can't prove a Negative

also you say post upon post? V2D will fall before me, as he always does, hell give up sooner and i could stop posting at any time so its not like your torturing me 😬 how queer

its not a negative however, your the one who needs to prove its TK in order for my theory to be incorrect, however mine is closer because the game states "willpower" just because you cant comprehend what ime trying to tell you is not my fault 🙂 willing something to happen and using a direct mind power is not the same, my theory only beats yours imo because although to you, yours sounds a correct explansation, the developers and the game says "willpower" not "TK" if they were using Tk they would of menstioned it, its not beyond their understanding ime sure